Amazing Miracles Of The Holy Quran...

[The_Genius]

This thread is for those who doubt the Quran or don't know much about it. Don't get me wrong, I am not an evangelist out to convert people. But I'm sure you will find this topic quite enlightening...

The Holy Quran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (saw) 1400 years ago and this book has remained unchanged since then. Today, there are two Qurans which were written 1400 years ago and they were compared with a Quran printed recently... They didn't find a single letter that is different... Can you say the same about any other Holy Book? No...

The Quran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (saw) from Allah (God) through Angel Gabriel. Many people have said that Mohammed (saw) - a man who never went to school - wrote the Quran. That statement is impossible because...


1. Quran is written in a poetic form and most Quranic lines 'rhyme'. Now Mohammed (saw) - a man who never went to school - could never write a Book with so much knowledge in such magnificent poetic style.

2. Not even a single Quranic statement contradicts modern science...

3. Quran is written in a Mathematical Code. Quran's common denominator is 'Number 19'. There is 19 (not more or less) mathematical facts in the Quran about Number 19.


Here is the link...

Mathematical Miracle of the Quran. The original File Mathematical Miracle of the Quran, Authorized English Translation of the Quran by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Quran Translations, Comparison of available translations. Qu'ran, Quranic, Koran, Ko'ran. Islam

Please don't tell me Mohammed (saw) knew Mathematics... Not even Einstein could write such a Book with so much knowledge, history, commandments in a poetic form and still incorporate a mathematical code into it.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: The_Genius This thread is for those who doubt the Quran or don't know much about it. Don't get me wrong, I am not an evangelist out to convert people. But I'm sure you will find this topic quite enlightening... The Holy Quran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (saw) 1400 years ago and this book has remained unchanged since then. Today, there are two Qurans which were written 1400 years ago and they were compared with a Quran printed recently... They didn't find a single letter that is different... Can you say the same about any other Holy Book? No... The Quran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (saw) from Allah (God) through Angel Gabriel. Many people have said that Mohammed (saw) - a man who never went to school - wrote the Quran. That statement is impossible because... 1. Quran is written in a poetic form and most Quranic lines 'rhyme'. Now Mohammed (saw) - a man who never went to school - could never write a Book with so much knowledge in such magnificent poetic style. 2. Not even a single Quranic statement contradicts modern science... 3. Quran is written in a Mathematical Code. Quran's common denominator is 'Number 19'. There is 19 (not more or less) mathematical facts in the Quran about Number 19. Here is the link... Mathematical Miracle of the Quran. The original File Mathematical Miracle of the Quran, Authorized English Translation of the Quran by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Quran Translations, Comparison of available translations. Qu'ran, Quranic, Koran, Ko'ran. Islam Please don't tell me Mohammed (saw) knew Mathematics... Not even Einstein could write such a Book with so much knowledge, history, commandments in a poetic form and still incorporate a mathematical code into it.

I enjoyed that.. I really wish Christians would realize that their biblical "miracles" aren't anything new.. and they really aren't convincing. If you want to try to convince an atheist through biblical miracles.. you better be arguing for the Quran.

Here's more..

Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

[rcne]

All religions are oppressive and repressive. rather than marveling at the fact that it hasn't changed in 1400 years, it would be better to worry about it's stagnation and irrelevance today; and it's treatment of women as lesser beings.
Tell me, how does you mother or sister really feel about being such lesser humans.
The elitism of being locked into a dogma is just another example of its stagnation.
There are no miracles in the Quran or any other Holy Book, only wishful thinking for the deluded masses.

Thanks for sharing your version of blind dogma.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: rcne All religions are oppressive and repressive. rather than marveling at the fact that it hasn't changed in 1400 years, it would be better to worry about it's stagnation and irrelevance today; and it's treatment of women as lesser beings. Tell me, how does you mother or sister really feel about being such lesser humans. The elitism of being locked into a dogma is just another example of its stagnation. There are no miracles in the Quran or any other Holy Book, only wishful thinking for the deluded masses. Thanks for sharing your version of blind dogma.

I think you've missed the point..

[arielmessenger]

Muhammad was a caravan robber and a businessman and as such he was most definitely exposed to a wide variety of literature whether he could read it or not. There was a lot of oral transmission of poetry and stories and I am sure Muhammad did not close his ears or eyes to the religious texts that were no doubt among the caravan loot he stole.

And as for Muhammad's knowledge of the world as expressed in the Quran, real science abandoned the ancient's seven concentric shell "heavens" around an earth centered solar system that is found in the Quran over 500 years ago.

Muslims don't seem to understand that self-glorification doesn't cut it in the world of critical thinking and real science. Muhammad was a product of his times and his limited knowledge of the world and society is reflected in his book.
There are many places where Muhammad shows his ignorance, e.g. not being able to tell Jewish mythical beings like Adam or Noah from real historical ones yet he and all Muslims afterwards claim such high knowledge in the Quran. Where is it? Where is this superior knowledge? Puffing oneself up by making exaggerated claims of knowledge only goes towards the hastening of the eventual downfall of the religion based on myths, i.e., stories written on scrolls, i.e., fabrications, lies in other words.

[Zhavric]

TG, your argument seems to boil down to "The Kuran is very special so it must be from god". I hope you understand that's not even CLOSE to what anyone would consider evidence. Higher math has been around since centuries before the common era. You may recall that the Greeks knew a great deal including the fact the earth is a sphere as well as a very close estimating to its circumference. Why aren't you worshiping Greek mathematicians?

[Masoom]

lollll.. Out of context again without no proof. Prove your claims atleast instead of just giving personal opinions. We don't need to know what explaination you got during bed time stroies. Many scientists accepth those claim and converted to Islam.. Oh may be they wasn't clever to ubnderstand or may be they were decent enough to study and find the truth before converting.

[Jagged]

Quote by: Zhavric TG, your argument seems to boil down to "The Kuran is very special so it must be from god". I hope you understand that's not even CLOSE to what anyone would consider evidence. Higher math has been around since centuries before the common era. You may recall that the Greeks knew a great deal including the fact the earth is a sphere as well as a very close estimating to its circumference. Why aren't you worshiping Greek mathematicians?

Chill out, your argument has a point but he said those facts were "enlightening" and not that he was trying to convert you.

Anyways, yeah, Christians change the bible to mold to what they want. Muslims just interpret in more radical ways. Both are different solutions to the same problem.

[Devout_Muslim]

All religions are oppressive and repressive. rather than marveling at the fact that it hasn't changed in 1400 years

I'd say thats quite a feat, stop mocking it.

it would be better to worry about it's stagnation and irrelevance today; and it's treatment of women as lesser beings.

You're one of those people who hasn't actually read the Qur'an, and relies on the Jewish-owned media to tell you about Islam, aren't you?

There are no miracles in the Quran or any other Holy Book, only wishful thinking for the deluded masses.

Ok, sure, no miracles...right. The Quran describes how a baby is born, step by step. Which is merely one of the many scientific facts embedded in the Quran. Wishful thinking for the deluded masses? The funny thing is, you (like most people) don't give a crap about religion. As long as there's beer in your fridge and a minority cooking your food, you don't care.

But I can assure you, when you're on your deathbed you'll be crying out like a little girl.

[Autolykos]

I'm sure that human beings have always known how a baby is born, step by step. It would be much more interesting if the Qur'an (or any other explicitly religious text, for that matter) contained unambiguous passages about DNA.

- Rob

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Devout_Muslim I'd say thats quite a feat, stop mocking it. You're one of those people who hasn't actually read the Qur'an, and relies on the Jewish-owned media to tell you about Islam, aren't you? Ok, sure, no miracles...right. The Quran describes how a baby is born, step by step. Which is merely one of the many scientific facts embedded in the Quran. Wishful thinking for the deluded masses? The funny thing is, you (like most people) don't give a crap about religion. As long as there's beer in your fridge and a minority cooking your food, you don't care. But I can assure you, when you're on your deathbed you'll be crying out like a little girl.

I can't help but notice that even though no one in this thread has attacked Islam, you've replied in a heated fashion as though we'd *gasp* published cartoons of a certain alleged prophet.

Chill.

The argument here is that the kuran has many mathematical & scientific "facts" in it and that you want us to believe they're from your god. There's simply no evidence of this. Higher math had been around for centuries as evidenced by the Greeks and even if it hadn't you don't have a shred of evidence that there's anyhting magical or unknowable that was published in the kuran.

Tell me, what does the Kuran have to say about Dinosaurs? How about pulsars in deep space?

[Devout_Muslim]

I'm sure that human beings have always known how a baby is born, step by step.

Ahh, what I meant was, how a baby is "made" in the womb. A true miracle.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: Devout_Muslim Ahh, what I meant was, how a baby is "made" in the womb. A true miracle.

Okay. Can you quote the Qur'an passages that contain this knowledge?

(Please note: The question above is not intended as mockery or condescension. I am honestly curious about the passages.)

- Rob

[The_Genius]

Quote by: rcne All religions are oppressive and repressive. rather than marveling at the fact that it hasn't changed in 1400 years, it would be better to worry about it's stagnation and irrelevance today; and it's treatment of women as lesser beings. Tell me, how does you mother or sister really feel about being such lesser humans. The elitism of being locked into a dogma is just another example of its stagnation. There are no miracles in the Quran or any other Holy Book, only wishful thinking for the deluded masses. Thanks for sharing your version of blind dogma.

I feel you have a grudge against all religions and that’s understandable. But why would my mother and sister be “such lesser human beings”? I mean, they both have two eyes, two years, one head, one nose, one mouth two hands and two legs like any other human being. Thanks for your concern but they are in good health; they aren’t lesser human beings.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I enjoyed that.. I really wish Christians would realize that their biblical "miracles" aren't anything new.. and they really aren't convincing. If you want to try to convince an atheist through biblical miracles.. you better be arguing for the Quran. Here's more.. Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

Thanks for the link. I will check it out now.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: arielmessenger Muhammad was a caravan robber and a businessman and as such he was most definitely exposed to a wide variety of literature whether he could read it or not. There was a lot of oral transmission of poetry and stories and I am sure Muhammad did not close his ears or eyes to the religious texts that were no doubt among the caravan loot he stole. And as for Muhammad's knowledge of the world as expressed in the Quran, real science abandoned the ancient's seven concentric shell "heavens" around an earth centered solar system that is found in the Quran over 500 years ago. Muslims don't seem to understand that self-glorification doesn't cut it in the world of critical thinking and real science. Muhammad was a product of his times and his limited knowledge of the world and society is reflected in his book. There are many places where Muhammad shows his ignorance, e.g. not being able to tell Jewish mythical beings like Adam or Noah from real historical ones yet he and all Muslims afterwards claim such high knowledge in the Quran. Where is it? Where is this superior knowledge? Puffing oneself up by making exaggerated claims of knowledge only goes towards the hastening of the eventual downfall of the religion based on myths, i.e., stories written on scrolls, i.e., fabrications, lies in other words.

Hating Mohammed (saw) by spreading lies about what he did and overlooking Quran’s scientific and mathematical miracles is one way of arguing… However, it also reveals one’s lack of historical knowledge. Mohammed (saw) was a Prophet, businessperson, military expert, great orator, leader of the Islamic world in both secular and spiritual levels. However, even with all those qualities, it was impossible for him to produce a book containing so many miracles.

Downfall of a religion? Lol… Well, the conversion rate of Islam in countries like USA, UK and France tells a completely different story. In fact, scientists are also converting to Islam. So much for your “based on myth” theory… Many professional (but non-Muslim) scientists certainly think that Holy Quran is divine.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: Zhavric TG, your argument seems to boil down to "The Kuran is very special so it must be from god". I hope you understand that's not even CLOSE to what anyone would consider evidence. Higher math has been around since centuries before the common era. You may recall that the Greeks knew a great deal including the fact the earth is a sphere as well as a very close estimating to its circumference. Why aren't you worshiping Greek mathematicians?

Firstly, although Greeks did know quite a lot but their scientific knowledge was not accurate; there were numerous flaws as well. However, there isn’t any unscientific statement in the Noble Quran.

Secondly, Greek mathematicians did not even consider the concept of Zero.

Thirdly, even with all that hype about Greek civilization… They could not produce a Book that not only contained scientific knowledge, religious teachings, commandments and history but was also compiled according to a specific mathematical code. That’s understandable. They were only human.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: The_Genius However, there isn’t any unscientific statement in the Noble Quran.

As one example, how is the story of Nūh scientific?

Of course, if you define "scientific" to mean "that which is in the Qur'an", then your statement above would be true. Then again, it would also be a tautology.

Secondly, Greek mathematicians did not even consider the concept of Zero.

Neither did the Arabs until they talked to the Indians.

Thirdly, even with all that hype about Greek civilization… They could not produce a Book that not only contained scientific knowledge, religious teachings, commandments and history but was also compiled according to a specific mathematical code. That’s understandable. They were only human.

What's the point of compiling a book according to a specific mathematical code?

- Rob

[Zhavric]

Quote by: The_Genius Firstly, although Greeks did know quite a lot but their scientific knowledge was not accurate; there were numerous flaws as well. However, there isn’t any unscientific statement in the Noble Quran.

Please support this claim or retract it.

You've challenged the existing established claim that the Greeks were very learned when it came to Math (many of their ideas & theorums still used today). While I do not doubt that the kuran has a few scraps of scientific or mathematic truth to it, I don't see anywhere in your argument where you've supported a link to god.

Secondly, Greek mathematicians did not even consider the concept of Zero.

Since you've demonstrated no knowledge of Greek mathematicians, I suggest you take some time to learn about them. Afterwards, you can support how the Greeks not using the numeral zero holds any bearing on the alleged (false) claim that the scientific nature of the kuran means it's of god.

Thirdly, even with all that hype about Greek civilization… They could not produce a Book that not only contained scientific knowledge, religious teachings, commandments and history but was also compiled according to a specific mathematical code. That’s understandable. They were only human.

Clearly, you have failed to understand that attacking Greek mathematicians in absolutely no way helps your argument. Your task is to establish a link between what may (or may not) be in kuran and the claim it's there because of god.

If a scientist discovered a perpetual motion machine and, in the same study, claimed the revelation for this device came from Xenu, L. Ron Hubbard's creation, would you convert to scientology? Would you consider this evidence for Xenu? I'd wager you'd answer "no" to both questions, yet this is EXACTLY what you're asking us to do for Islam.

[Devout_Muslim]

Okay. Can you quote the Qur'an passages that contain this knowledge?

Sure. You can find it here:

Miracles of the Qur'an - Harun Yahya

you don't have a shred of evidence that there's anyhting magical or unknowable that was published in the kuran.

You do realise the Qur'an is unchanged for 1400 years, right? And 1400 years ago everyone thought the earth was flat.
Evidence? From a method of dating (unsure of which to be honest) scientists have proven the Qur'an to be 1400 years old, unchanged. This tells us that 1400 years ago Muslims had all of that knowledge - which can be found here:

Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an