Secret society

[Masoom]

Some say the secret society exist and some deny this.

Lets discuss this, do you believe it? if yes, then please say why and if you don't then also give your reasons.

We know them by many names and I will give the one I know and believe that they do exist, the free masons

[Osborn F Enready]

Masoom just turned off the history channel, am I right?

Watching the history of the 1$ bill?

Yes, there are secret societies, some well known, and some not.

I will come back in a bit and post more about why I know there are, and why I believe many are working toward the same goals.

[ItsDarts]

Here is my post so I can "autosubscibe" to the thread. I'll be watching with interest and I HOPE you people post good references for your assertions and not just a bunch of opinion and conjecture. :-D

[kilkee]

Of course there are secret societies. How about the Mafia.

[ItsDarts]

Odd, if they were secret, then how do we know about them? Maybe it should be more accurately called "Societies with secret agendas"?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Society with secret agendas is probably best, although I think the normal candidates for this don't fit my defenition.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Society with secret agendas is probably best, although I think the normal candidates for this don't fit my defenition.

It's like the Masons. Everybody knows who they are but few know WHAT they are outside of what they tell you.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: ItsDarts Here is my post so I can "autosubscibe" to the thread. I'll be watching with interest and I HOPE you people post good references for your assertions and not just a bunch of opinion and conjecture. :-D

You don't need to post if you don't want to. Just click on "thread tools" and subscribe.

[Gods_Mercenary]

There was actually a show last night on the history channel on these societies. they provided much more convincing candidates for world controlling societies than the masons, however.

[kilkee]

Although I am not a Mason, I have met and worked with many Masons.

They were all honest and the type of people I like. Many of them wore the masonic ring.

[Osborn F Enready]

THE secret society:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
-attributed to David Rockefeller at the June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle).


Bilderburgs, The Tri-Lateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations.

For extensive reading on the topic go to:
The Architecture of Modern Political Power (once here, on the left menu click on "The Systems Method" and "CFR and Trilateral".)

[Scribbler1]

While I wouldn't be surprised if these secret societies ARE trying to "take over the world" it strikes me that this is much like the NASA/Moon landing controversy, in that out of ALL the people involved, where are the precious few who see what is going on and, out of patriotism, disgust or just plain regard for mankind SAY something that can help prove these allegations? And if they're afraid for their lives, and I suspect this might be the case, why not just do a "Deep Throat" and give out clues in a dark parking garage late at night?

Seriously, the more people involved the more the chances of a leaker. Even a Woodward type who wants to score BIG on breaking the story could infiltrate one of these outfits. And sites like the one linked beg the question of why is there no concrete proof about these people and if there is, why is there no big scandal, or even the murder of a few of these people who create sites like that?

Or are these organizations nothing more than super lobbying groups to advance the interesst of big business?
(quote from the site)"Since its inception, the CFR has served as an intermediary between high finance, big oil, corporate elitists and the U.S. government. "

Sounds like lobbyists to me, and if they have extraordinary power it's because the idiot sheep don't do their job because even THEY know the government whores itself out to big money.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: Scribbler1 While I wouldn't be surprised if these secret societies ARE trying to "take over the world" it strikes me that this is much like the NASA/Moon landing controversy, in that out of ALL the people involved, where are the precious few who see what is going on and, out of patriotism, disgust or just plain regard for mankind SAY something that can help prove these allegations? And if they're afraid for their lives, and I suspect this might be the case, why not just do a "Deep Throat" and give out clues in a dark parking garage late at night? Seriously, the more people involved the more the chances of a leaker. Even a Woodward type who wants to score BIG on breaking the story could infiltrate one of these outfits. And sites like the one linked beg the question of why is there no concrete proof about these people and if there is, why is there no big scandal, or even the murder of a few of these people who create sites like that? Or are these organizations nothing more than super lobbying groups to advance the interesst of big business? (quote from the site)"Since its inception, the CFR has served as an intermediary between high finance, big oil, corporate elitists and the U.S. government. " Sounds like lobbyists to me, and if they have extraordinary power it's because the idiot sheep don't do their job because even THEY know the government whores itself out to big money.

The main reason regarding the Bilderberg Group is that if you leak anything, you will not be invited back. And given the fact that people like Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, Gordon Brown (next UK PM) have all been invited before they made their way to the top, are you surprised anyone would give up their seat?

Moreover, I believe that most of those invited are true believers. They preach globalism, though it may be disguised in internationalist terms, often before they get their. The way they discuss business is likely not "we are gonna take over the world", because these people already do, in their own little ways, control it. They just put their heads together and discuss what they want to do. So from their perspective it's nothing sinister at all, it's just a free discussion away from prying eyes.

Talking about free from prying eyes, you might want to read Jon Ronson attempts to get close to the conference when it was in Spain or Portugal. The relevent chapter from his book is here

[Mia]

How about Skull and Bones?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: G. Adams The main reason regarding the Bilderberg Group is that if you leak anything, you will not be invited back. And given the fact that people like Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, Gordon Brown (next UK PM) have all been invited before they made their way to the top, are you surprised anyone would give up their seat?

Pretty good incentives I would say, but not everyone gets to be president or PM and some hungry writer out there would sell his soul to infiltrate such a group just for the book that would result.

Moreover, I believe that most of those invited are true believers. They preach globalism, though it may be disguised in internationalist terms, often before they get their. The way they discuss business is likely not "we are gonna take over the world", because these people already do, in their own little ways, control it.

And as I said, it sounds like lobbying to me, so what's with all the secrecy. It could just as easily be a group of very influential lobbyists that let the rumors build so they can get a good laugh at all of us.
Since we really don't know much about these groups pretty much ANYTHING we say about them might be true.

They just put their heads together and discuss what they want to do. So from their perspective it's nothing sinister at all, it's just a free discussion away from prying eyes.

And to the government, lobbying is their bread and butter so THEY aren't about to upset the applecart, unless the idiot sheep demand stricter campaign and lobbying laws. Instead of pointing fingers at secretive groups we would probably be better served by demanding reforms to things we CAN see.
If a government is transparent, secret societies with undue influence can't easily exist. But the idiot sheep seem to like the government just the way it is. They keep putting in the same people, after all.

Talking about free from prying eyes, you might want to read Jon Ronson attempts to get close to the conference when it was in Spain or Portugal. The relevent chapter from his book is here

I'll take a look at it, of course. Was he "undercover" or did he try to infiltrate the outfit in question?

[G. Adams]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Pretty good incentives I would say, but not everyone gets to be president or PM and some hungry writer out there would sell his soul to infiltrate such a group just for the book that would result. And as I said, it sounds like lobbying to me, so what's with all the secrecy. It could just as easily be a group of very influential lobbyists that let the rumors build so they can get a good laugh at all of us. Since we really don't know much about these groups pretty much ANYTHING we say about them might be true. And to the government, lobbying is their bread and butter so THEY aren't about to upset the applecart, unless the idiot sheep demand stricter campaign and lobbying laws. Instead of pointing fingers at secretive groups we would probably be better served by demanding reforms to things we CAN see. If a government is transparent, secret societies with undue influence can't easily exist. But the idiot sheep seem to like the government just the way it is. They keep putting in the same people, after all. I'll take a look at it, of course. Was he "undercover" or did he try to infiltrate the outfit in question?

Not everyone gets to be president, but not everyone wants to be. Some people want contracts. Some people want to retire onto a board of directors. Some people just like to be on the inside of this shit.

Yes, it is of course lobbying, but what else would a secret society be internally? Run by a giant space spider? Secret societies needn't be dominated by mysticism. They are just powerful people conspiring to stay powerful. You don't have to do that through anything illegal, though I'm guessing what results from these meetings often is. Bilderberg is the equivalent of a powerful mans union, or more accurately, guild.

Ronson wasn't doing the infiltrating himself. He was writing a book called Them: Travels with Extremists, or something similar. He was following Jim Tucker who was trying to get info on the Bilderberg group. He wasn't a believer in Tucker's ideas, at first anyway.

The book, and the series, is quite funny. There is one point where he is with Alex Jones, trying to infiltrate Bohemian Grove. Alex is cutting through the woods, hiding, to make his way in. Jon Ronson drives in....

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Scribbler1 why is there no big scandal, or even the murder of a few of these people who create sites like that?

Maybe there are, and maybe they happen all the time. However, when it's explained as "he was killed by a secret society that wants to take over the world" I think you can see how looney that sounds.

Remember that scene in Rambo, when he could've easily killed those guys chasing him through the forrest? The news reporter says "Only their training saved their lives". Unless you had seen events from our perspective, the peeps watching the news think quite differently about Rambo and police. In fact, the reporter is even unaware. He only knows what the sherrif said. I'm quite positive there is that kind of spin on almost every story we hear about.

[WarCritic]

In 1305 a member of the Hellbirds travelled to the court of King Phillip the Fair of France with the intention of seeking an audience with the Kings Spymaster "de Nogaret" history has provided many different branches of speculation as to if the Assassins and Hired Blades of the Order of the Hellbird were funded by the French nobles or if they were just in the right place at the right time or if they were even there at all.

the Order of The Raven as they are now known are still said to be active which leads to my question... In the modern age why would a fanatical group of contract killers claim to prevent the British kingdom from falling (Refering to the Legend of the London Tower Ravens being told to King Charles II)

I just think its going from one extreme to the other saying that they were behind the Templars demise and the "unofficial" protectors of the British Empire all at once!

[simple simon]

i think too many societies get too much credit for being in on the world's master workings

Skull and Bones ....... Freemasons

i think they are more smoke and mirrors then anything

as for the Bilderbergers .... and the so called Illuminati .... not sure if there is any substance there either ...... if they are trying to take over the world i think they are doing a piss poor job of it

[freedom13]

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