Everyone right and everyone wrong at the same time?

[anubis]

I think this is quite possible. Because we (humans) suck and are generally wrong when we start talking about how important we are to our cause.

I have seen real bastards that operate or hide behind the guise of religion. They go to heaven and the Buddist that has dedicated his entire life to the walk can not?

People are stupid to think they can hide double standards behind their religious beiefs.

We can not kill our neighbor, but we can suit up and kill hundreds of people for a greedy politician's interests?

Thou shalt not lie (bear false witness) unless running for office.

Just sharpening up for future debates.

[Zhavric]

A world without religion would be a world with far less terrorism.

[pandaz xx]

Of course we can't kill our neighbors.
Personally I'd like to kill mine because they are retarded & don't understand anything.

That's the way the government is today. Greedy politician's.
Deal with it, unless you're going to change it.

Religion is a bunch of bullshit to start controversy between people.
Zhavric is right.
less religion.
less controversy.
end of story

[Praxius]

So how would you (Personally) suggest going about getting rid of religions.... if it was possible?

I don't see a right or wrong answer for this question... just speculating.

I agree... religions are the primary reason for most of the crap happening in our lives. They were good for bringing order centuries ago, but now they're more just a pain in the arse.

[Fonceai]

The problem isn't even that specific.

It's due to a lack of self-control.

Any time a person lets something outside themselves determine their actions they open the door to problems.

Religion is one of the things that can do so, but eliminating something like religion wouldn't change anything.

The capacity for violence in a person will always be there. Without religion to serve as the focus and motivation, they will find something else.

A more effective and reasonable solution is to teach people how to identify the rewards and consequences of their actions, and how to evaluate them against each other.

Religion isn't the disease, it's a symptom.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Zhavric A world without religion would be a world with far less terrorism.

back it up.
any historic examples?
evidence of any kind?
will humans no longer have political ambitions once they drop religion?
what would you say to those that say atheism has been tried already, by every communist government and they are as much if not as blood thirsty as religioous countries?

[Praxius]

Quote by: ByaKya back it up. any historic examples? evidence of any kind? will humans no longer have political ambitions once they drop religion? what would you say to those that say atheism has been tried already, by every communist government and they are as much if not as blood thirsty as religioous countries?

See, they were trying to force no religion, when religion still existed, which was the problem. People would still worship behind doors and all that.

Take a look at what's going on between the terrorists and the taliban.... Christians on a crusade.... Muslims on a Ji'had or what have you.

You got two religious factions fighting one another in Iraq, you had the Catholic vs. the Prodistins in Ireland.

Somalia.....

I'm not saying it would stop all wars.. but majority of them at least..... in theory.

[luke virtual kh]

Whare religion makes factual claims, like "scientific miracles" in the koran, there is a reght and a wrong. In the present case there are no such miracles.

On the other hans most everyone is right in their own eyes and others wrong if they disagree,and unless their morality is consequentialist and capable of being defined objectively, there is no telling if mistakes in moral reasoning are being made.

[Athena]

Quote by: anubis I think this is quite possible. Because we (humans) suck and are generally wrong when we start talking about how important we are to our cause. I have seen real bastards that operate or hide behind the guise of religion. They go to heaven and the Buddist that has dedicated his entire life to the walk can not? People are stupid to think they can hide double standards behind their religious beiefs. We can not kill our neighbor, but we can suit up and kill hundreds of people for a greedy politician's interests? Thou shalt not lie (bear false witness) unless running for office. Just sharpening up for future debates.

Shall we enphasize that the concept of self importance? I am so sick of hearing about the importance of Bush's lacacy and how he will do this or that so history will say good things about him. Bin Laden is a man totally consumed by needs of self importance and he appeals to Muslims who have no other reason to feel important than to engage in a war. As we still call such ego manics that have become history, great men, and we seriously need to change our idea of who is a great man, and who is an evil man. For example what makes Alexander the Great a great man and not an evil man? No one would have thought him great if he did to his own people what he did to those he supposedly conquered but never benefited. It is time to rewrite histoy. Put all these "great men" on trail and rethink their greatness and what we want of our leaders. It is time for a new consciousness.

[spudnick]

Personally, I belive in religion. What your asking me to do is deny what I belive in so I dont have enemies. Why dont I sell myself into slavery while im at it.

[Nurf]

Quote by: Zhavric A world without religion would be a world with far less terrorism.

A world without religion would also be a world of no diversity. Without diversity, what's the point of living?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Humans will use anything to excuse murder, religion is the excuse, not the cause.

[Nurf]

Most terrorist activity does not directly involve a specific religion. There are extremists in every religion. I'm sure if you asked the heads of all the large religions in the world, they will be proud to tell you that they do not support terrorism. Also, there should be laws defining what you can, and cannot do when forming a religion.

[kilkee]

War and peace

By

James Bredin

There’s no need to justify a UN war; it just has to be done,
There’s no need to think about this because we’ve already won,
The number of dead doesn’t count because then we pull out,
And maybe, just maybe, we’ll never know what it was about.

It’s the economy, stupid; honest politicians might say,
Sometimes we win; sometimes we loose and then we just move away,
Through the UN we can justify a war any place, win or loose,
And at the UN, there is no disgrace and no need for an excuse.

And no one dare question the motives of the United Nations,
No questions please because this is international relations,
Not even Saddam’s oil-for-food scandal can be investigated,
Delay and wait and discuss while all UN wars are debated.

No transparency please as they talk and talk and then they delay,
Cover by calling soldiers peacekeepers in an area that’s gray,
No one, no matter how really rotten can get a UN suspension,
Dictators of the world get front and center UN attention.

They just call it a collective failure somewhere over there,
Failed state probably terrorist so everyone should beware,
Crimes against humanity too so the UN should take action,
Send in some of the peace keepers and get some satisfaction.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the UN should just butt out,
Don’t get involved in their internal struggles even if there’s a doubt,
Don’t send them money; it goes straight to a Swiss bank account,
And those accounts are secret no matter what the amount.

Wednesday, January 10, 2007

[Nurf]

I'm assuming this song is your opinion?

[kilkee]

And it should be government policy.

[pandaz xx]

Quote by: spudnick Personally, I belive in religion. What your asking me to do is deny what I belive in so I dont have enemies. Why dont I sell myself into slavery while im at it.

You can come be my slave.
I need a religious person as a slave.
:]]

But seriously.
It would stop most wars.
I'm not saying that all wars are based off of religion, don't make that assumption, because I will, kick you in the face.

But honestly. Think about it for just like 2.5 seconds.
It makes more sense than you assume.

I don't think that it would ever happen.
But the thought of it, sounds good.
^_^


Maybe I'm just heartless & I care none about bible humpers & stuff like that.
But that's okay :]

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: pandaz xx You can come be my slave. I need a religious person as a slave. :]] But seriously. It would stop most wars. I'm not saying that all wars are based off of religion, don't make that assumption, because I will, kick you in the face. But honestly. Think about it for just like 2.5 seconds. It makes more sense than you assume. I don't think that it would ever happen. But the thought of it, sounds good. ^_^ Maybe I'm just heartless & I care none about bible humpers & stuff like that. But that's okay :]

Justify your opinion that most wars would not have happened without religion, even in the middle ages, the most fanatically religious period, most wars were over power, if excused by religion.

[Praxius]

Quote by: pandaz xx Maybe I'm just heartless & I care none about bible humpers & stuff like that. But that's okay :]

Man those bible pages are pretty thin and sharp, I wouldn't want to hump those. You'd get some nasty paper cuts.

[pandaz xx]

Excuse me sir.
I said they would stop wars.
I didn't say a specific war.

during the middle ages, war was about power & stuff.
I meant most of the wars you hear about today.

It's against two TOTALLY different religious groups.
mhm.