Does ISLAM Make Saudia Arabia a Bad Country to Live In?

[The_Genius]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Here is a look at what the Islamic country of Saudi Arabia teaches its school children in some of their national text books. Oh and keep in mind, these were the textbooks that were after the revision of them because international orgs were complaining about the hatred and intolerance they were teaching. Looks like they just don`t understand what hatred and intolerance is if they think they have purged it -- or perhaps that is what they wish to perpetuate. See below text book examples: FIRST GRADE " Every religion other than Islam is false." "Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion other than ______________ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____________." FOURTH GRADE "True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly." FIFTH GRADE "It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam." SIXTH GRADE "Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God's power." EIGHTH GRADE "As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus." NINTH GRADE "The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills." "Muslims will triumph because they are right. He who is right is always victorious, even if most people are against him." TENTH GRADE "Blood money for a free infidel. [Its quantity] is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, whether or not he is 'of the book' or not 'of the book' (such as a pagan, Zoroastrian, etc.). ELEVENTH GRADE "The greeting 'Peace be upon you' is specifically for believers. It cannot be said to others." TWELFTH GRADE "Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God." Source Now, who would want to live in a place like that where the children are spoon fed this gobbly gunk of intolerance from grade one to twelve? And where is the uproar in the Islamic world about this kind of thing? Perhaps the uproar isn`t there because their textbooks, too, have tints of the same color -- or where they don`t, they secretly believe in the truth of the wording in those text books. What would be the reaction in the Muslim world if our textbooks talked inflamatory rhetoric in them about Muslims or Allah? If you look at the recent uproar over the Pope`s comments and the cartoon protestations, you could probably get a hint of what would come of it. I am now left wondering if I had made the OP too restrictive focusing only on one Islamic country.

Hahahahahaha....

What do you expect from a source called "washingtonpost"?

Unless you can show me those lines actually exist in Saudi text books, I have to say your source is untrue.

[The_Genius]

A Muslim should be honest, truthful and peace loving. Therefore, I do admit that the reaction from the Islamic world was violent and disgusting. However, that is not an excuse to forget who started this whole controversy.


Pope Benedict the 16th...


He had claimed that his words were taken out of context and he was merely quoting. A poor attempt to redeem himself...

1. He quoted a Byzantine emperor who was losing Constantinople to the Muslims at that point of time. Thus, his anti-Islamic statements only revealed more about his personal frustration and bitterness....

2. The Pope was quoting a Christian emperor who was involved in a battle with Muslims; he was not an 'established historian'....

3. Even if Saudi textbooks do indoctrinate children with such hateful messages, which I strongly condemn, you can not deny that Muslims do not insult other religions publicly. It's a pity I can't say the same about Danish cartoonist or the Pope...


Finally, who was Mohammed (saw)? The most successful Prophet of all time (according to Encyclopedia Britannica). The man who not only spiritually but physically established the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth...


Who is Pope Benedict? The leader of all Catholics, who was schooled in Nazi Youth League when he was young...


It is right to say, Pope has quite a big mouth to insult the Greatest Prophet Monotheism had to offer.

[Gods_Mercenary]

The pope was giving a speech about how violence and religion are incompatible, the quote was meant to demonstrate how violence ruins religion, he would know, the papacy has enough of that blood on its hands. I doubt he would be purposefully insulting islam a few weeks before he was supposed to meet in a muslim country. And, by the way, almost all young germans were in the Nazi youth, and he later deserted. Can you find a quote from that speech in which he insulted Islam in his own words?

[StrongHeartsWin]

And how are these two last posts anywhere near related to "quality of life in Saudi Arabia?" Just curious.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I have no idea, i'll send him the link in a pm

[ByaKya]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin And how are these two last posts anywhere near related to "quality of life in Saudi Arabia?" Just curious.

You linked to something in saudi books that maybe doesnt even exist, he said it was wrong for those to be in there.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: ByaKya You linked to something in saudi books that maybe doesnt even exist, he said it was wrong for those to be in there.

exactly...

[Praxius]

Quote by: The_Genius Who is Pope Benedict? The leader of all Catholics, who was schooled in Nazi Youth League when he was young... It is right to say, Pope has quite a big mouth to insult the Greatest Prophet Monotheism had to offer.

Just because he was schooled in a Nazi Youth League, doesn't make him anymore or less of an evil person, not should it be relevant. During WWII, pretty much every German citizen was affiliated with the Nazi party in some way or another.... Nazis ran Germany, so it's a bit hard to stay out of it all.

He is the main figure head of the "Roman Catholic" Religion, and I will admit he didn't start off the smoothest, but he's still doing a good job.

You are jumping to the conclusion that he was insulting the greatest prophet. Everybody who was offended all focus on that one sentence that he quoted by someone else, rather then to see what his whole message was suppose to be about.

If he was directly insulting and he was backing the quote, don't you think he would have stood by it? I read, nor heard anything relating him to directly attacking the religion.

As I said, those who were deeply offended and freaked out about the quote, seriously have to get a grip and lighten up.

If you want a true insult on Islam or Christianity, I'm sure I could think of something a lot more offensive.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Praxius Just because he was schooled in a Nazi Youth League, doesn't make him anymore or less of an evil person, not should it be relevant. During WWII, pretty much every German citizen was affiliated with the Nazi party in some way or another.... Nazis ran Germany, so it's a bit hard to stay out of it all. He is the main figure head of the "Roman Catholic" Religion, and I will admit he didn't start off the smoothest, but he's still doing a good job. You are jumping to the conclusion that he was insulting the greatest prophet. Everybody who was offended all focus on that one sentence that he quoted by someone else, rather then to see what his whole message was suppose to be about. If he was directly insulting and he was backing the quote, don't you think he would have stood by it? I read, nor heard anything relating him to directly attacking the religion. As I said, those who were deeply offended and freaked out about the quote, seriously have to get a grip and lighten up. If you want a true insult on Islam or Christianity, I'm sure I could think of something a lot more offensive.

For a guy meant to be infallable...hes fallabled = )

[Praxius]

lol.... that's being human for ya.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: ByaKya For a guy meant to be infallable...hes fallabled = )

The doctrine of Papal infallibility only applies to statements made specifically under that premise, and only after consulting a council of bishops. Litteraly every word out of his mouth is not expected to be infallible. By the way, this has only been used two times in the modern era, both incidences applied to relatively unimportant doctrinal disputes about the nature of mary.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary The doctrine of Papal infallibility only applies to statements made specifically under that premise, and only after consulting a council of bishops. Litteraly every word out of his mouth is not expected to be infallible. By the way, this has only been used two times in the modern era, both incidences applied to relatively unimportant doctrinal disputes about the nature of mary.

Really? so he could infact do things wrong? be a sinner, etc? i thought he would be something like gods representative or speaker on earth, or something to that effect?

[Gods_Mercenary]

He is considered "God's representative" because he is the leader of the Church, he's not actually automatically holier than anyone else. He is by no means considered not a sinner, he's a human.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary He is considered "God's representative" because he is the leader of the Church, he's not actually automatically holier than anyone else. He is by no means considered not a sinner, he's a human.

the pope just lost a little bit of that aura = /

[Gods_Mercenary]

What aura did he have? you would have considered him fallible even if Catholics didn't, wouldn't you have?

[Gods_Mercenary]

The Vatican website says that after the Pope makes one of these statements along with the global council of bishops (Magisterium) it is unquestionable, until, of course, another pope and the magisterium reverse or change the dogma. I mind you that the Magisterium is supposed to be the real head of the Catholic Church, the Pope is its head who gets around having to call bishops from all over the world for every incident. We're off topic, so you can see the website if you want to know more, it has a cool search engine of all the archives.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary It is interesting that the pope citing a meidevil text can incite so much wrath when they have this in their texbooks. I found it mildly amusing that the Pope's talk had to do with how it is intolerable to use religion as a excuse for violence (a man of his office would know, considering its history), and then, to prove him wrong, muslims formed violent mobs and killed a nun. Interesting way to prove that you are peaceful.

That is why this is here. @ SHW.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: The_Genius That is why this is here. @ SHW.

I'm confused by your comment, what are you saying?

[The_Genius]

Let there be light...

umm.. SHW was wondering why we were discussing the Pope controversy.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Ohhh, let there be light indeed.