Unprovable Atheistic Evolutionary Notions

[KillerArgument]

It may be too much to ask, Mom.

Yes, that is how I would respond.

Gimme your first assertion and I will respond to it, okay?

[Agnos]

Quote by: KillerArgument It may be too much to ask, Mom. Yes, that is how I would respond.

That's what I thought: Nothing.

Quote by: KillerArgument Gimme your first assertion and I will respond to it, okay?

I haven't made an assertion; I've refused to accept your assertion for one simple reason: there is no reason to accept it. Or is there?

Figures. You didn't even attempt to address my original post. You've merely come at me with empty, limp-dick jabs. Are you going to actually respond to my original post, or shall we call it a night?

[Jack]

A Creator God, however, is necessary.

An atheist does not agree with that statement. I don't see the necessity for gods at all. Perhaps you can illustrate that necessity for me.

(That's the meaning of atheisism. We don't accept your contentions, like saying gods are necessary, and we await any reason from the theists to think otherwise.)

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: RickSp In responding to your foolishness, why bother? Rather pleased that my sloppy typing bothers you. Never found an upside before. Let's see, you acknowledge that there is no proof of God's existence. Now you claim that creation is proof. Not big on intellectual consistency are you? And no, faith and belief are not always synonyms. Belief based on rational evidence is not faith. Faith is belief without evidence. You have said as much. No need. You claim that your god exists. The burden of proof is on you. There are an infinite number of possible entities that could exist. Attempting to prove their non-existence is a fool's bet. You have already said that there is no proof of your God's existence. I'll settle for that. You've convinced me. I see that you are unfamiliar with metaphor. A pity. If you are a Bible literalist then you believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Most Christians are not that foolish or that unscientific. Are you? Well isn’t that special? Have him give me a call.

I am definitely that foolish.

Please, Rick, be nice to me. I am a very sensitive person. You make me feel so very bad when you speak to me this way.

Plus, it hurts my feelings when really smart people like you tell me I'm foolish.

Creation is evidence, not proof, of God's existence.

There's no proof that God doesn't exist, either. Are you convinced again?

Faith in the Creator God Jesus is certainly not without evidence.

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: Isherwood An atheist does not agree with that statement. I don't see the necessity for gods at all. Perhaps you can illustrate that necessity for me. (That's the meaning of atheisism. We don't accept your contentions, like saying gods are necessary, and we await any reason from the theists to think otherwise.)

Ish,

God created the amazing world you see around you, and you are morally accountable to Him as your Creator--that's a reason to think "otherwise," even as a possibility, for a moment, isn't it?

These are suppositions of faith without proof, I know, but so is: "There is no God," and, "it all happened by itself."

*Did you create yourself, your body?

Strictly speaking, you are right--you don't have to acknowledge your need for God.

There is a Place where God's presence is never felt...

Atheism is really a stupid idea. (I can insult ideas, can't I?)

What kind of reasoning and evidence would you accept? Please define the parameters for you to believe in God, so I can get you that logic and evidence and pull you over into the Christian church.

Wait a minute!! Let me ask you this: let's just say for conversation's sake, that God exists. Without appearing before you and saying "hi!," what would He have to do to prove His existence?

God is necessary:

Who else created the stars?

Who is the Prime Mover?

Who is the intelligence behind it?

Who created:

consciousness,

thought,

the human eye,

*beautiful* women, (is beauty a bological necessity? Okay, you got me--not all womens are bootiful.)

gravity,

the laws of logic,

emotions,

DNA,

Robert DeNiro,

The Romans,

the current season of SNL (ok, that was Satan!)

The Big Dipper,

The Little Dipper,

butterflies, (what possible evolutionary reason for all that color that doesn't blend in?!)

electricity. (shocking?)

atoms, and eves

molecules, kyool, hey?

language, get me?

goldfish, (even though they're not really made of gold!)

you

?

God did it. Goddidit, You all know the truth, you keep saying it: "God did it."

It didn't just all create itself!

And no, I have no proof of all this, and you ain't got no proof that God doesn't exist neither, do ya?

Believe what ya want, then, hey?

And them fellers Miller and Urey just made some dead organic building-block amino acids, didn't they? Wasn't like they created life, now, was it?

But the moral Law still exists--in every country, all around the world, all throughout history. Not a single culture says murder, lying and adultery are okay, do they?

Man's sin and evil still exists.

And death still exists--can't be stopped.

And something after death just might exist...

And over 250 Messianic prophecies still exist.

And Darwin still credits the Creator God on the last page of "The Origin of Species."

So where does that leave you with those four little lying words: "God does not exist"?

Just put the argument on the physical plane only, claim you can't find God there, and claim you've won.

Atheism and evolution: honest to God, the two dumbest ideas I have ever heard in my entire life.

You have your belief, and I have mine.

You have your logic and evidence, and I have mine.

No one "proves' anything, if the other person simply says, "No.."

People even debate legitimate laws of logic and debate rules.

Look--there's a parade going by my window in the dark!

Have a nice day. :)

[KillerArgument]

The materialist supposition--"only matter exists." But is that true?
Are the laws of logic "material" and "physical"?

The God-denying mindset: I don't have to prove (and I cannot prove) my supposition that a Invisible Creator God (ICG) does not exist: my position is the "default," "rational," "logical" position. (And no, I'm not arrogant.)

[KillerArgument]

~~~Certain realities cannot be detected by science, logic and evidence. These three powerful means detect everything in the physical world. But, I submit to you as a possibility that there is more to reality than the physical world.

Certain realities, ultimate realities, truths about God and origins, can only be known through: authority, emotion, intuition, knowing, awareness, faith, spirituality, morality, and conscience.~~~

Opening yourself to these ways, while not denying the other ways, will bring you into a richer and deeper experience of life.

[Agnos]

Are you in this pic KA?



REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD

Heh. Do you honestly believe that you possess the mental capacity to convert a rational, freethinking atheist over to your worldview? Judging by that link, I think that's looking pretty unlikely.

Anyways, I just wanted to remind you that you've still failed to provide a civilized (even semi-satisfactory) response to my original post.

[another day]

Who else created the stars?

See, this is why the majority of theists are unintelligent, comforming, low brow fools. You cannot even fathom of any other way the universe could exist because you are too small minded to understand anything other then a being with a personality who waves his magic wand and creates "pretty lights" for Adam to enjoy.

Why must it be a "WHO"?? Why can't it be a WHAT? A FORCE. Like the wind, fire, gravity. Your simple minded approach is typical of a person with an underdeveloped consciousness of reality..you relate everything back to the personalities and egos of your animal tribe, the humans. That is all your idea of god is, a human father. You deny this and say it he divine and all knowing but in essense, he is nothing more then human desires and dreams encompassed in a mythical being who explains something that IS TOO COMPLEX FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

[Jack]

Certain realities, ultimate realities, truths about God and origins, can only be known through: authority, emotion, intuition, knowing, awareness, faith, spirituality, morality, and conscience.~~~

If that were true, theists would be the only people to exhibit those qualities. They are not. So I disagree with your assessment that gods are the only way to experience these things. I also submit that these are in no way ultimate realities. Everything you mentioned is very subjective, very different for each individual.

[rez]

Quote by: another day you relate everything back to the personalities and egos of your animal tribe, the humans. That is all your idea of god is, a human father. You deny this and say it he divine and all knowing but in essense, he is nothing more then human desires and dreams encompassed in a mythical being who explains something that IS TOO COMPLEX FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

It reminds me of a children's story.

[Jack]

It is, rez. A bedtime story mankind has told itself. So we wouldn't be afraid, so we'd feel special and loved, so we wouldn't have to realize that in the end, we're all in this life on our own. We've told ourself these bedtimes stories for so long that we finally are asleep, mentally.

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: Agnos Are you in this pic KA? REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD Heh. Do you honestly believe that you possess the mental capacity to convert a rational, freethinking atheist over to your worldview? Judging by that link, I think that's looking pretty unlikely. Anyways, I just wanted to remind you that you've still failed to provide a civilized (even semi-satisfactory) response to my original post.

Wow, that's really cool you could do that! (I have webtv for Internet connection.)

No, I took that photo maybe three or four years ago. They're the actors from my film, PROFANITY REPORT-- a spoof of MINORITY REPORT. I was the director of that short film as well as several other short films, a couple of documentaries and a few music videos.

Well, I think there's more than logic and physical stuff to reality.

Atheists are often really clear-headed, and I admire that, but does logic really fulfill all your needs as a human being?

Please briefly restate your first argument, or copy and paste, and I'll respond, ok?

Thank you.

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: RickSp In responding to your foolishness, why bother? Rather pleased that my sloppy typing bothers you. Never found an upside before. Let's see, you acknowledge that there is no proof of God's existence. Now you claim that creation is proof. Not big on intellectual consistency are you? And no, faith and belief are not always synonyms. Belief based on rational evidence is not faith. Faith is belief without evidence. You have said as much. No need. You claim that your god exists. The burden of proof is on you. There are an infinite number of possible entities that could exist. Attempting to prove their non-existence is a fool's bet. You have already said that there is no proof of your God's existence. I'll settle for that. You've convinced me. I see that you are unfamiliar with metaphor. A pity. If you are a Bible literalist then you believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Most Christians are not that foolish or that unscientific. Are you? Well isn’t that special? Have him give me a call.

Your sloppy spelling and grammar fits nicely with your sloppy thinking.

[Agnos]

Quote by: KillerArgument Atheists are often really clear-headed, and I admire that, but does logic really fulfill all your needs as a human being?

There are lots of things that fulfill my needs, none of which require me to profess faith in something supernatural. The love of a woman, for instance. Or aspiring to know more about the world, without settling for baseless claims, of course. As I see it, the very desire (and subsequent carrying out of that desire) to know more about the world around me - rather than dismissing certain things because my holy texts instruct me to - is perhaps the most fulfilling activity in which any one person can partake. I am a philosopher at heart.

I wonder, are you opposed to casual sex?

Quote by: KillerArgument Please briefly restate your first argument, or copy and paste, and I'll respond, ok? Thank you.

Here is the post you originally responded to with mockery and warrantless dismissal.

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: another day See, this is why the majority of theists are unintelligent, comforming, low brow fools. You cannot even fathom of any other way the universe could exist because you are too small minded to understand anything other then a being with a personality who waves his magic wand and creates "pretty lights" for Adam to enjoy. Why must it be a "WHO"?? Why can't it be a WHAT? A FORCE. Like the wind, fire, gravity. Your simple minded approach is typical of a person with an underdeveloped consciousness of reality..you relate everything back to the personalities and egos of your animal tribe, the humans. That is all your idea of god is, a human father. You deny this and say it he divine and all knowing but in essense, he is nothing more then human desires and dreams encompassed in a mythical being who explains something that IS TOO COMPLEX FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

And God is too unsearchable for you to understand.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: KillerArgument Your sloppy spelling and grammar fits nicely with your sloppy thinking.

Grow the hell up. Christ man.. just when I thought I regained my respect for you. I know you're just wanting to show em you can dish it out when they can.. but show us you're better than that, and we'll be less hostile.

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: Agnos There are lots of things that fulfill my needs, none of which require me to profess faith in something supernatural. The love of a woman, for instance. I wonder, are you opposed to casual sex? Unprovable Atheistic Evolutionary Notions

Not with my wife, no.

Or did you mean "fornication"?

I thought you were a woman at first because of your screen name, but I bet you are a guy under 25? Am I right?

[KillerArgument]

~Just because something is invisible, does not mean that it is unreal, unimportant, or empty.~

[KillerArgument]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Grow the hell up. Christ man.. just when I thought I regained my respect for you. I know you're just wanting to show em you can dish it out when they can.. but show us you're better than that, and we'll be less hostile.

All right, I'll accept that.

With the same attitude of consideration, would you kindly refrain from blaspheming the Name of my Lord?