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Old Dec 20, 2006, 12:25 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Methods for Proving God's Non-Existence

This is for serious and scientific experiments to deduce the non-existence of God.

Not any one specific God of any specific religion, but the overlying concept of a God.

When you include your method, specify if the God your method addresses is omnipotent, omniscient, or just the creator of the universe using superior technology.

Because we're dealing with something with a personality, obviously the "he'd show up if he cared" thing doesn't work since none of us can attest to any personality.

I'd also strongly advise against theistic apologists claiming that God can alter the results of any method to make it appear as though he doesn't exist in order to maintain the principles of faith.

Go to, have at.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 02:43 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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So would standing out in the open, looking up at the sky and screaming "HIT ME YOU FAT BASTARD!" and waiting for a bolt of lightning, fall under that category?
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 02:58 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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If I were God, I'd find more amusement at seeing people's reaction to you than I would from actually proving to you and others around you that I existed.

But yeah, that would fall in the "not valid" category.

I'm disappointed. With all the devout atheists here I'd think this thread would be jumpin'.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 03:01 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I'm disappointed. With all the devout atheists here I'd think this thread would be jumpin'.
Maybe the reason it's not is that most atheists are bright enough to know that you can't prove the non-existance of something.


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Old Dec 20, 2006, 03:14 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I'd love to believe that, but many of the people that post in other threads give me the impression otherwise.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 03:24 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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what would lead someone to believe in a "god"?


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 03:40 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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what would lead someone to believe in a "god"?
Ah.... this thread for that:

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/philo...existance.html
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 03:48 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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There is no reason to believe in a god if there is nothing to base the idea on.

A theist would tell me the evidence they use to prove god, but that would be for the other thread.

I am trying to prove god's non-existence based on its non-existence in the Universe.


There is no reason to prove something that is based on nothing. Basically, what gives a person the right to even imagine a god and then argue for its existence?

People can imagine god all they want, but when they think its the truth they are wrong.


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:00 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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@rez

I don't quite follow you.

What is it you are trying to say?
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:05 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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@rez

I don't quite follow you.

What is it you are trying to say?
There is no reason for anybody to ever think God exists.


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:16 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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That's not concrete proof for non-existence.

That's your own opinion.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:18 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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That's not concrete proof for non-existence.

That's your own opinion.

The fact that god is non-existent is proof enough.


I can go one further, how would god prove itself?


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:34 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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The fact that god is non-existent is proof enough.
This is about the method of proving that statement.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:35 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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This is about the method of proving that statement.
Common sense...


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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:53 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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How is it common sense?

I'm not asking to be belligerent... I'm asking because I really want to know a method to prove God doesn't exist.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 04:55 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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......There is no reason to prove something that is based on nothing. Basically, what gives a person the right to even imagine a god and then argue for its existence?

People can imagine god all they want, but when they think its the truth they are wrong.
Everything that has been imagined has usually come from some form of truth. What gives someone the right to imagine a God exists? Probably the same thing that gives the right to people who thought Dragons, Angels, Leprechauns, The Easter Bunny, etc. to think they existed.

Our imagination in thinking of things that we can not have a tactile relationship with, is the basis of how we have evolved to where we are today. You grab what facts and information that you deem as true and you fill in the gaps until you know otherwise.

To say that there IS a God and then you say there IS NOT a God, is the exact same balance, but on both sides, and you're just arguing a rhetorical argument that you nor the other person can prove right or wrong.

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Some people may think that a tree falling in the wood can not make a sound if no one is around to hear it..... I say you can, because sound travels by waves of force. A tree falling and colliding with the ground produces a shockwave, the sound is the breaking of the air's stability (Among snapping and other things that occured during the collision.) and therefore a sound wave is produced.... just because an ear is not around to pick it up, doesn't mean it didn't exist.

..... which is the same logic as if a plane crashed into the ocean and everybody died..... because I didn't see or hear it happen must mean it didn't happen.

Just because you can't see God, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Not that I believe he exists.... I just like being a devils advocate (Pun intended)
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 09:20 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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While one may not be able to prove that god exists, there isn't any evidence that he/she does exist.


As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;...
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 09:26 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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So if you can't prove "yes" and you can't prove "no", where does that leave things?
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 09:35 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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So if you can't prove "yes" and you can't prove "no", where does that leave things?
Well, you either determine what constitutes "sufficient evidence" and adopt a gnostic position or simply believe in faith confirmed through your cultural establishment thereby being a fideist or agnostic in the epistemological sense.


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Old Dec 20, 2006, 09:45 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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So if you can't prove "yes" and you can't prove "no", where does that leave things?
Maybe...possibly...perhaps...:)


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