Methods for proving God's existence?

[InTheFlesh?]

I thought it would be fun to bounce ideas for proving God exists in a scientific way...

They can be completely wacky or other wise...

I thought if we took an atom transporter (like in Star Trek) and weighed the universe then transported the whole universe from one place to another and weighed it again, then the difference in mass would be the weight of God.

As the atom transporter would break everything to atoms and transported them, God could not be transported, as he can't be broken down??

I don't know??

[Jagged]

We exist. Therefore God exists.

People say god exists, therefore God exists.

I saw God, therefore he exists.

God loves me, and i can feel it; therefore God exists.

Evolution doesn't make sense, therefore God exists.

Im pretty sure i covered all the obvious ones.

[Jack]

Don't forget; the bible say god exists, therefore God exists. :)

[Hostile55]

I have a diviniscope with which I can actually see God. Its amazing. God looks exactly like an empty space.

[InTheFlesh?]

Cheers for that but I meant like actual evidence that no one can refute.

To you God may exist and so his existance to you is truth, but to an atheist his non existance is truth. When truth is this confused it is hard to define wrong or right.

I am looking for something that says "God exists because..."

I get what you are saying about why God exists because we say he does, but in a literal sense unicorns and fairies exist because we say they do, as does Harry Potter.

[Jack]

in a literal sense unicorns and fairies exist because we say they do, as does Harry Potter.

Bingo! So if you want proof of god, shall we also provide proof for unicorns and Harry Potter? They're all equally likely.

[InTheFlesh?]

yes

any ideas how?

[Jack]

Sure. All we need to do is find a herd of unicorns being tended by Harry Potter. That should settle things once and for all. No doubt our discovery would be widely reported...from the front page of the Weekly World News.

[InTheFlesh?]

doesn't that happen in one of the books??

Does J.K Rowling know something we don't?

OK what about something that absolutely proves all life was created by god, something like the babel fish in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

What about maths???? Maths is absolute. so can we find an equation to solve god or prove god exists??

If god exists would way of proving it?

If we re-wrote the bible in binary, then there could be no misinterpretations right? Binary can't be misread, or misunderstood, surely it is just 0 or 1, all or nothing, the alpha and the omega!

woo God=Binary???

[Osborn F Enready]

I would like to see all the religious put their faith to the test.

Go into combat against armed people, using only your faith and books of holy guidance.

This will end the argument real quick.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Isherwood Don't forget; the bible say god exists, therefore God exists. :)

And don't forget, God wrote the bible, so it has to be true. Unless you're delusional or something.

[aebe]

The philospher Emanuel Kant has written in his Kritik der Reinen Vernunft. First clasifying the proofs of God in 4 cartegories, And showed from each category they were false. So please read that source. And about believes is not to discuss.

Also in mathematics Kurt Gödel has proved mathematically each theory is incomplete. Please googel for that. And further you have all nomal scientists against you. For sciences aren't complete.

When you believe in it. Please show me what weather it will be on 10 April 2007, Or pray for it. Your pray is then for nothing.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Jagged God loves me, and i can feel it; therefore God exists.

You forgot fonceia's favorite: "I have experienced god therefor god exists, but only for me."

If I were a theist I'd go for this one, too. It would allow me to avoid stickly logical situations where evidence and reason are present and still make it seem like I'm not holding to blind faith.

Getting back on track, there are plenty of ways to prove god exists. The bible is full of very obvious stories that would prove god (or at least a supernatural entity). The problem is that all of these evidences are fabricated.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Jagged We exist. Therefore God exists. People say god exists, therefore God exists. I saw God, therefore he exists. God loves me, and i can feel it; therefore God exists. Evolution doesn't make sense, therefore God exists. Im pretty sure i covered all the obvious ones.

Well, you covered the irrational, ridiculous ones at least.

[ItsDarts]

Quote by: ITF Cheers for that but I meant like actual evidence that no one can refute.

This is exactly what keeps me an atheist. There is no evidence that "no one can refute" (yet?). If there was, there would be no logical reason to worship any other god(s). We have been worshiping various gods since the beginning of recorded history and probably before that. Since mankind, as a whole, has never been able to agree on any one or group of gods, the rational conclusion seems to be that all of the gods we have worshipped are false untill evidence says differently. Mankind can all agree gravity exists, there is evidence that it acts the exact same way for you as it does me. We can't see gravity, but we can observe its effects. It would seem that if there is any god, even ones we can't see, we should be able to ALL observe its effect and these obsevations should be the same for everyone.

[voyager]

God exhists for all of us. As an object of thought, other wise we would not be posting comments if "he" exhisted.
The real question is, "Does god exhist as more than an object of thought?"
Unfortunately, or not, science cannot help in deternining the truth of this statement. Science can only deal with questions that can be observed or quantified, only the matter we can measure or experience.
If god exhists he would exhist outside the material world. Substantial but not material.
If this is a bit hard to understand strech your inagination, it is infinite, sort of like god.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: voyager Unfortunately, or not, science cannot help in deternining the truth of this statement. Science can only deal with questions that can be observed or quantified, only the matter we can measure or experience.

Science has peered into distant galaxies and unlocked the building blocks of life. We've broken the bonds of our own planet and unlocked sub-atomic particles. Why on earth would you assert that something is beyond science? The utter lack of evidence on the part of theists isn't a shortcoming on the part of science in any way.

It's not the responsibility nor the shortcoming of the Astronomer to find invisible space monkeys.

[ItsDarts]

Quote by: voyager God exhists for all of us. As an object of thought, other wise we would not be posting comments if "he" exhisted.

If god is nothing more than an "object of thought" than to worship this "object of thought" is meaningless. It's akin to worshiping any other "object of thought" such as flying spaghetti mosters or Unicorns.

The real question is, "Does god exhist as more than an object of thought?" Unfortunately, or not, science cannot help in deternining the truth of this statement.

It might be able too if it existed as anything but an "object of thought".

Science can only deal with questions that can be observed or quantified, only the matter we can measure or experience. If god exhists he would exhist outside the material world.

Define "outside" of a material world. Then provide evidence of this "outside"

Substantial but not material.

meaningless and unsupported statement.

If this is a bit hard to understand strech your inagination, it is infinite, sort of like god.

Ahhhh.... so god is only a part of (sic) inagination? This would explain why there are so many gods that man has "imagined".

[Fonceai]

Quote by: Z You forgot fonceia's favorite: "I have experienced god therefor god exists, but only for me."

Misrepresented quotation.

It's more along the lines of that whatever a person thinks is proof of God really only makes sense to that person.

Otherwise, current science has no way to prove or disprove the existence of God.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Fonceai It's more along the lines of that whatever a person thinks is proof of God really only makes sense to that person.

Sadly, this has been demonstrated multiple time on this board and others...

Otherwise, current science has no way to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Things as outlandish as god require evidence before we can take them out of the category of "false until proven true".