Gods a Sinner!

[Inlineskater]

I read this from [url=http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/sevensins.html]
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The Seven Deadly Sins - how many has God committed?
We are lucky to have been provided with a list of sins that can apparently lead to all sorts of trouble - the Seven Deadly Sins. These should not be confused with the Seven Samurai (who could also cause lots of trouble and be deadly), the Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, or the Seven Sinful Ice-cream Flavours (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, pistachio, anchovy, mint-choc-chip and pumpkin). Obviously, it would be bad to commit any of these sins (they`re deadly, remember), and as such it seems reasonable to suppose that our Lord and Creator would carefully avoid them too.
Let`s see how well He does.


PRIDE
After creating various bits and bobs in Genesis, we are told "And God saw that it was good". So, He takes pride in His work, apparently.
Also, when John baptised Jesus (good job he did, because we all know what happens to un-baptised people when they die...) God said, and I quote, "You are my son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased". God, who is Jesus, loves and is pleased with Jesus, who is God. If you knew someone who claimed to love and be pleased with himself, wouldn't that hint at a self-proud person?


WRATH
Well, according to the Old Testament, God was a genocidal maniac of Biblical proportions (naturally). However, it could be argued that many of the mass-slaughters described therein were not done out of anger, but for some other Godly motives. Fair enough, but are there any specific examples of wrath?
Samuel (24:1) tells us :"Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying 'Go and take a census of Israel and Judah'". Burning anger? Sounds like Wrath to me.

Also from Samuel (6:6) "When they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the Ark of God." Presumably God would have preferred the Ark to fall into the mud, but Uzzah paid the price here...


ENVY
From the Ten Commandments : "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..." Says it all, really. We don't even need to look for the evidence here, as we get it straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak).

LUST
Your school Nativity Play is a good example : the Holy Spirit impregnating virgins... Naughty, naughty - randy old God.

GLUTTONY
Why are we here? Many theologians would say "To love and worship God". Apparently, God just can't be content unless He creates five billion souls for the specific purpose of telling him how great he is. That's lot of people. That's just plain gluttonous.

AVARICE
Okay, he's let off this one - God has no need of money. Unfortunately his spokespeople, the televangelists, more than make up for this. Send me money and get to heaven! Either they're lying and just trying to get rich, or God actually does need money. Either way, it doesn't look good.

SLOTH
Back to Genesis again: "By the seventh day God finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all His work."
Being omnipotent, god cannot get tired. If He has access to an infinite supply of energy (as we are led to believe), He could create a billion galaxies without so much as breaking into a sweat. It looks like He was just slobbing around...


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Score : 6.5 out of seven. Not so hot, is it?
Now, we are told that Adam and Eve were not supposed to eat the Fruit in Eden, as this would make them more like God (having knowledge of Good and Evil, etc.). Could it be that the Seven Deadly Sins are a similar thing? After all, if you commit all seven, you will indeed be more like God (who, as we have seen, is guilty of all seven). Maybe this is just a bit of reverse psychology. If the churches tell us all about the Seven Deadly Sins, some of us are more likely to actually go out and commit them. From the church's point of view this would be a good thing. After all, they can't have us mere mortals subscribing to a higher moral code than God, now can they?
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[samsara15]

Poor guy has already been condemned to eternal hell, because he has to live with himself. Wonder why he created this universe? Doing so made his shortcomings even more obvious. All the other gods must be laughing at him and calling him incompetent. Give him a break, and look the other way, ignore him, and maybe he can sneak out the back door. He probably has just finished God 101, and only got a C on the course.

[Inlineskater]

I believe we have come across a paradox. God created hell and runs it, yet he is guilty of crimes making it so he has to go there. How can you run your own prison (or fiery lake, to be precise) that you created?

[Inlineskater]

Or maybe he doesn't have to go there, he's god. Just everyone else who doesn't NOT do what he does has to go to hell? Christians always say (well some of them do anyways) they want to be closer to god, well do the 7 deadly sins of course!

[Osborn F Enready]

I thought that was obvious.

He had free will to create the earth and universe, right?

He created us in his image, free-will and all, right?

Free-will is the claimed tool of evil right?

God created Evil then, right, by placing it in us, as it is/was in him/her/it.

Who wants to hang with such a square, hypocrite anyway?

[Kuldeep]

Learn from God's mistakes and improve upon your existing self so that you would remain eternally peaceful if you believe in life after death. Or, if you do not believe in life after death then, at least up to death remain happy.

Improvement would be by adopting a formula that "Never do anything, which your mind says is sin"!! Simple would be do to others what yopu expect others should do with you. Leave sinful God a side worrying for his mistakes.

[ByaKya]

I read this some years ago, its true.
God got himself into a pickle.
Oh well, not to fear I'm sure the resident pseduo-christians will find some way to get god out of this.

[Inlineskater]

Yes, exactly how would they get god out of this?

And doesn't this make the bible quite flawed? I mean god is supposed to be an example of goodness, and you should do as he wants you to do, being all powerful and all. So basically in order to be a "good person" in christianity and have standards as high as god's, you would have to be a sinner. Boy is that easy! And Jesus, who is god, is very good, and never does any sin. Does god have two personalities?
I would like to hear how Christians can explain this/still beleive in the bible.

[ByaKya]

hold on, im going to call up the leading Chrisitian apologist, I believe he also has a christian site/forum. Brb

[Apokalupsis]

First, does anyone even know what a "deadly sin" is, who believes in them, where they came from? What specifically makes a sin "deadly"?

[Jack]

That terminology is largely used only by the Catholic church these days. They are;
Pride or vanity, envy, gluttony, lust, anger or wrath, greed or covetousness and sloth.

[another day]

Quote by: Inlineskater Yes, exactly how would they get god out of this? And doesn't this make the bible quite flawed? I mean god is supposed to be an example of goodness, and you should do as he wants you to do, being all powerful and all. So basically in order to be a "good person" in christianity and have standards as high as god's, you would have to be a sinner. Boy is that easy! And Jesus, who is god, is very good, and never does any sin. Does god have two personalities? I would like to hear how Christians can explain this/still beleive in the bible.

It's easy - ignorance. Ignorance can get you through anything...

That one line "and the lord is a Jealous lord" is enough to make me throw the bible out the window right there. Pure crap. That should be enough for any intelligent person to denounce the christian religion.

[Apokalupsis]

Quote by: Isherwood That terminology is largely used only by the Catholic church these days.

Not just "these days", but always. Not all Christians are Catholic. In short, the "deadly sins" are nonsense and have no scriptural support. And while I disagree with many tenets of Catholicism, including the validity of "the 7 deadly sins", even I, as a non-Catholic can argue against the rather unsophisticated argument in the article.

Pride or vanity, envy, gluttony, lust, anger or wrath, greed or covetousness and sloth.

Yup, but: What specifically makes a sin "deadly"?

Let's take "pride". According to the doctrine (deadly sins), "pride" is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

The article says that God said "it was good" after He created a variety of things.

Now, how is God guilty of this doctrine?

btw, this article wasn't written by any historian or Biblical scholar. He's a 39 yr old video gamer (into Unreal Tournament).



Is it really wise to use non-credible sources, as your source of doctrinal knowledge? Really, isn't this just more of a case of "following the bandwagon", or being the choir who is preached to?

[Apokalupsis]

Quote by: another day It's easy - ignorance. Ignorance can get you through anything... That one line "and the lord is a Jealous lord" is enough to make me throw the bible out the window right there. Pure crap. That should be enough for any intelligent person to denounce the christian religion.

Why? What do you think that "line" means?

[ByaKya]

Looks like that guy went on a KILLING SPREE on christianitys ass.
Good Game.
I expected more of a defense, it was ugly. You know christianity is going down the drain if one of its bigget/loudest mouth defender on this forum couldnt even defend against an argument from a gamer. = /

[Gods_Mercenary]

You do realize that the word jealous is a translation of a hebrew word that had a meaning that implies that God demands that we only worship Him. Jealous also means this in its original definition, not that he actually is jealous of other gods.

I'm not gonna go through your ridiculous arguments one by one, most of them are too idiotic to refute. However, the examples where there are emotions (wrath) are where the author is impressing human emotions on God.

Also, Using a Catholic idea (although a rarely used one) such as the 7 deadly sins and then fitting them with a literal reading of fanciful myths not designed for factual reading is stupid. The Catholic Church regards a literal reading of the Bible as irresponsible. Only a person proplerly educated in scriptural history should interpret it for others.

Also, the Catholic church isn't exactly a beacon of ignorance. Most priests are much better educated than their counterparts in other religions and even than most people period.

Be aware of the nuances of the language and history of the Bible before you go attacking it.

[Apokalupsis]

Quote by: ByaKya Looks like that guy went on a KILLING SPREE on christianitys ass. Good Game. I expected more of a defense, it was ugly. You know christianity is going down the drain if one of its bigget/loudest mouth defender on this forum couldnt even defend against an argument from a gamer. = /

*sigh*

As previously stated:

Quote by: Apok What specifically makes a sin "deadly"? Let's take "pride". According to the doctrine (deadly sins), "pride" is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. The article says that God said "it was good" after He created a variety of things. Now, how is God guilty of this doctrine?

Bya, are you actually wanting to debate and discuss the issue, or just flame?

If flame, then please don't ask me to respond in threads you are participating in. It's a waste of my time.

[Inlineskater]

Well, it might not be an attack on christianity in general, it is catholic, I wonder how catholic people could explain it.

[Jack]

the examples where there are emotions (wrath) are where the author is impressing human emotions on God.

Which makes perfect sense when one considers that god is a human invention.

[Apokalupsis]

Quote by: Inlineskater Well, it might not be an attack on christianity in general, it is catholic, I wonder how catholic people could explain it.

I know the Catholic defense and explanation. I'm still waiting for someone to answer:

What specifically makes a sin "deadly"?

Let's take "pride". According to the doctrine (deadly sins), "pride" is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

The article says that God said "it was good" after He created a variety of things.

Now, how is God guilty of this doctrine?