Dumb Designer

[Lullaby Chainer]

As a counter to the "intelligent design" argument, one can reasonably claim that certain biological design features embody sloppiness on the part of the creator:

* Babies can swallow and breathe simultaneously, until the larynx descends after two or three months, making us prone to choking. Why would a supposedly intelligent creator combine our breathing and eating channels into one single orifice? Think of the lives this slipshod design has cost.
* How about the appendix and tonsils? Leaving such useless and dangerous components in the final-version human speaks ill of the creator's intelligence.
* In human males, the urethra passes right through the prostate gland, a gland prone to infection and subsequent enlargement, which blocks the urethra. A better plumbing design requires little intelligence.
* Most any man, when questioned, would agree that having a scrotum, leaving his reproductive organs in an extremely vulnerable position, might not have been a particularly good idea.
* Other creatures have unnecessary features also, such as vestigial structures in whales and some snakes, or nonfunctional wings on some insects. An example of suboptimal design is also obvious in the African locust, in which the abdomen nerves are co-opted in flight because they connect to the wings located in the thorax.

What say you? Why would God screw up in these areas?

[The Bacon Guy]

* Most any man, when questioned, would agree that having a scrotum, leaving his reproductive organs in an extremely vulnerable position, might not have been a particularly good idea.

To be fair to God, the external genitalia was necessary. It has something to do with keeping the sperm cool, since I think they all die at body temperature.

Other than that, the things you mentioned do seem pretty stupid.

[Jack]

I guess one could argue that this Earth is the alpha version. Somewhere there's a beta Earth, maybe even versions 1.0 or 2.0, where he finally got it right.

[Scribbler1]

To be fair to God, the external genitalia was necessary. It has something to do with keeping the sperm cool, since I think they all die at body temperature.

Seems more logical to make sperm more body heat tolerant, like every other cell in the body.
It would seem smarter to tuck all the sexual apparatus inside the body until needed.

[The Bacon Guy]

Seems more logical to make sperm more body heat tolerant, like every other cell in the body.
It would seem smarter to tuck all the sexual apparatus inside the body until needed.

Well, maybe he just wanted us to be able to enjoy teabagging.

[Cephus]

To be fair to God, the external genitalia was necessary. It has something to do with keeping the sperm cool, since I think they all die at body temperature.

Other than that, the things you mentioned do seem pretty stupid.

Only because God would have designed them that way. An intelligent designer would have come up with a better plan. Then again, if some all-powerful deity designed man, he wouldn't have made it look exactly like we evolved from quadrapedal animals, with all of our internal organs hanging from a central backbone, would he?

God is truly incompetent, a braindead chimp could have done a better job.

[Jack]

And thus is the Cult of the Braindead Chimp born. A new god had entered the pantheon. Zeus is taking it especially hard. An imperfect god may just succeed.

[Kuldeep]

As a counter to the "intelligent design" argument, one can reasonably claim that certain biological design features embody sloppiness on the part of the creator:

* Babies can swallow and breathe simultaneously, until the larynx descends after two or three months, making us prone to choking. Why would a supposedly intelligent creator combine our breathing and eating channels into one single orifice? Think of the lives this slipshod design has cost.

Main Orifice is one all right, but further there are two distinct pipes as food and wind pipe. Choking is due to improperly/hastly eating technique adopted, why to blame designer! Evolutionists and atheists do not believe in designer then why to question unknown's intelligence??? Evolutionists and atheists believe everything in nature is perfect, why do you try to find faults in the self existing and adopting system including human body!!!!

As regards loss of human lives due to defective design, designer has to think of death technique as well vis -a - vis production. It has to have a balance. Thank God you did ask as to why deisgner has not intoduced a technique of NO Death or NO Aging!!!

* How about the appendix and tonsils? Leaving such useless and dangerous components in the final-version human speaks ill of the creator's intelligence.

These are indicators for primary & early infections, which can be cured with minor precautions. Their removal is dangerous since afterwards even more severe infections are not apparent but later complications come up.

* In human males, the urethra passes right through the prostate gland, a gland prone to infection and subsequent enlargement, which blocks the urethra. A better plumbing design requires little intelligence.

Reason for prostrate placement also functions as indicator of minor & early infections only to protect from more severe uninary infections.

* Most any man, when questioned, would agree that having a scrotum, leaving his reproductive organs in an extremely vulnerable position, might not have been a particularly good idea.

Proper atmoshphere (temperature control in particular) is the reason for such design as pointed out by others as well.

* Other creatures have unnecessary features also, such as vestigial structures in whales and some snakes, or nonfunctional wings on some insects. An example of suboptimal design is also obvious in the African locust, in which the abdomen nerves are co-opted in flight because they connect to the wings located in the thorax.

There must be some reason for those items as well, I do have knowledge about that. If you do not get any logical one, then it might be for the cause of their death in later part of their life to control ecology.

What say you? Why would God screw up in these areas?

God did nothing, it is the work of perfect nature which you want to term imperfect with your narrow vision and prejudice thinking. Nothing reasonless exist in nature, which is my firm belief.

In fact, I too do not believe in any separate manifested or other wise God other than this universe. I srongly feel this universe is only a perfect God balancing ALL WE PERSIEVE AND KNOW!!!!!

[PatrickHenry]

What say you? Why would God screw up in these areas?

Why does He allow plagiarists to walk around acting like normals when they are committing crimes?

Why I Believe in God

Go figger...

[Zhavric]

Evolutionists and atheists believe everything in nature is perfect,

Please provide a link to where I, an atheist and evolution supporter, have EVER claimed "nature is perfect". If you are unable to, kindly retract your claim.

What you will find instead is a sentiment I have expressed for years. SOME theists and scientists hold the bias that nature is "perfect" or "balanced". I have ALWAYS maintained that this assumption is false and completely unsupported.

That natural world is what it is. Organisms have evolved into the forms they currently occupy due to natural selection and mutation. We don't get to pick and choose how our bodies function.

The point that Chainer is making (a valid one) is the human body has very obvious flaws. Thus, the notion of an "intelligent" designer presents a paradox: an entity powerful enough to create life / set the world in motion / move molecules & stars / etc... but lacking the ability to avoid very avoidable flaws.

It's like saying, "I can magically conjure peanut butter, slices of bread, butter knives and jelly, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to make a sandwich out of them..."

[Lullaby Chainer]

Why does He allow plagiarists to walk around acting like normals when they are committing crimes?

Why I Believe in God

Go figger...

Oh please. There's a reason why it's italicized, and then I asked a question out of italics.

For your information, I had saved the text some time ago, and I did not have the source.

[RickSp]

No question about it - ID, Inept Design should be taught in all High School science classes. It would suggest that a creator did create the universe but that he botched the job. It could easily be integrated with health class warnings about the dangers of using drugs or alchohol.