Earth and it's Orgins - who answers best?

[Technosoul]

This is a poll which needs no explaination.

I no doubt have overlooked some of the fields where people put forth concepts or theories about the orgins of earth and life on earth. So if you wish you can add the unlisted ones you like in the comment section.

[Technosoul]

Some of the other resources for explainaitons would be the Native American cultures, Paganism, belief systems in India, native South American cultures,
Babylon and Sumer writings, and some alternative New Age writers. But poll only allows for 5 choices and so I am forced to be somewhat discriminating in my poll.

[Right of Center]

I'm going to say biblical religion because they have an answer for everything. I mean think about it. What cannot be answered by the phrase "God". Everything can be answered and nothing can be disproved.:rolleyes:

Because we don't know and because we can never know with 100% accuracy it is better to just let people believe whatever they want to and stop ridiculing each other and fight each other with such animosity. We will never know, so whatever you want to believe go ahead and believe in it.

[The Bacon Guy]

I'm going to say science because it doesn't have the answer to everything. I'm immediately suspicious of anything that claims to have all the answers.

[iahag]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy I'm going to say science because it doesn't have the answer to everything. I'm immediately suspicious of anything that claims to have all the answers.

Ill drink to that.
Long live rigour!

[Jack]

Because we don't know and because we can never know with 100% accuracy

People once said man would never fly and no one would ever have a computer in their home. Are you sure you want to be so absolute in your opinion? :)

I'm not aware of anywhere that philosophy (except as religion) and the TAO concern themselves with the origin of the Earth.

[Jagged]

It actually just hit me how absolutely pointless the question really is. People would be sadder if we knew (and accepted) the absolute truth about the origin of everything.

[Zhavric]

How could any of the choices that aren't science prove any claim they made?

[Cephus]

Quote by: Right of Center I'm going to say biblical religion because they have an answer for everything.

No, they CLAIM to have an answer for everything, but most of their answers are nonsense. Heck, I have the answer for everything, it's cottage cheese. I can answer any question with something related to cottage cheese. Doesn't mean any of my answers are right or logical or even make sense, but I can give them.

Science deals with what's real. Science might not know everything, but at least the things that it does know are based on real world observations and experiment and evidence. Religion is based on superstition and blind faith.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Right of Center We will never know, so whatever you want to believe go ahead and believe in it.

They probably said that when Democritus developed the first atomic theories, when Galileo made his first telescope, and when Freud dissected our innermost thoughts. We have plenty of time to discover the universe, and the only thing that's going to do it is science.

[Jagged]

Quote by: Cephus No, they CLAIM to have an answer for everything, but most of their answers are nonsense. Heck, I have the answer for everything, it's cottage cheese. I can answer any question with something related to cottage cheese. Doesn't mean any of my answers are right or logical or even make sense, but I can give them. Science deals with what's real. Science might not know everything, but at least the things that it does know are based on real world observations and experiment and evidence. Religion is based on superstition and blind faith.

For all we know science could be wayy off, but i do agree with the method of using whatever little evidence we can muster to create theories. Its interesting, but definitely far from absolute

im just talking about the debate of the origins here, folks, not science on the whole

[Chris]

Quote by: Right of Center I'm going to say biblical religion because they have an answer for everything. I mean think about it. What cannot be answered by the phrase "God". Everything can be answered and nothing can be disproved.:rolleyes: Because we don't know and because we can never know with 100% accuracy it is better to just let people believe whatever they want to and stop ridiculing each other and fight each other with such animosity. We will never know, so whatever you want to believe go ahead and believe in it.

You think we will never know the origin of the earth? Such high regard for mankind.

And are you being serious when you give your reason for believing in the biblical version or are you just taking the piss?

We already have scores of geologists linking the moon with the earth. (Two of the three total things "biblical" people once thought existed in the universe.

It is accepted fact now that the earth is 4.57B years old, not 6010 years (the age as calculated by Biblical scholars -studying the ages and bloodlines as recorded in the bible) Using geology.

It is well accepted that there is a layer of Iridium across the earth at about the 65 million year mark in the past - marking a large earth impact - the demise of the dinosaurs.

[Technosoul]

Science is fast becoming the new "religion" for us here in the USA. By religion I mean "beleif system" and it's way of life.

We now have more faith and trust in Science then we do religion.

It started with the doctors, medical science - which many have learned to put blind faith in, even if they use terms that are "over uur heads" relative to everyday speaking. Drug companies have adverstised and gained faith in the magical powers of their products. Magic to us, but not for a scientist.
They have become our "saviors" in times of need - health wise.

DNA science has all but gained top authority in our justice system. If anyone ever believed in any sort of "absolute proof" it would be in the truisms of DNA matches.

The science of physics have nearly become the top dog when it comes to explaining the universe and it's orgin. We trust math like some do the Bible, it must be right - right? Although they say that it is just a theory and that a new theory might replace it someday, the process called physics is promoted as being the 'only way; to prove how things happen in cosmology.

We can only stand in awe at the many inventions, like the computer, which are coming forth from science in rapid fire.

Science fiction movies rate high at the ticket office. We love it.

Science, with it's many faces, has becme god over our way of life and held uttermost in our respect and thinking.

And yet they say they do not provide absolutes and so you must use your faith, and imagination, in order to place your hopes in that mission.

Religion under a different name is still religion.

[Kuldeep]

As regards knowing about the origin of earth, definitely answer from "Religion of Science" would be accepted and welcome! But the point is how much more we have to wait for that.

To best of my knowledge, the most accepted theory regarding the formation of this universe and our earth till recent past has been Big Bang. But the finding of postive acceleration in the speed with which our universe is expanding has put a question mark over B B theory. If BB is right then the accleration in the speed of universe expansion ought to be negative or at the most constant, as physic's fundamental laws of motion.

I am sure, Science is on to solve this riddle of positive accleration in speed of universe expansion. The only explanation with me for positive accleration is that the interval between BB and present period is so short in comparison to total TIME that we are PRESENTLY in the period of increasing speed created by BB. After many more trillions and trillions of years, the speed of Universe Expansion might start reducing which only would reinstate BB as the base of origin of universe.:eek: :)

[gallo]

Quote by: Chris are you just taking the piss?

From OZ are you, Chris? Or are you just imitating Aussie slang? Never heard anyone but an Aussie use that phrase (except for me on an Aussie board where everyone knows that I'm not from OZ).

[gallo]

Quote by: Technosoul Science is fast becoming the new "religion" for us here in the USA. By religion I mean "beleif [sic] system" and it's way of life.

But I think that it may be that you don't understand what science is or how it works. Science is neither my religion nor my belief system.

Quote by: Technosoul We now have more faith and trust in Science then we do religion.

My trust in some religion is irrelevant. What religion did you have in mind - there are so many. Of course, I don't have faith in science (no need to capitalize - it's not some mythological god). Science is a matter of observation and logic for me.

Quote by: Technosoul It started with the doctors, medical science - which many have learned to put blind faith in, even if they use terms that are "over uur [sic] heads" relative to everyday speaking.

Except for "It started with the doctors," did that actually make sense to you when you wrote it? So the origin of the earth started with doctors? Is that what you are saying?

Quote by: Technosoul Drug companies have adverstised [sic] and gained faith in the magical powers of their products. Magic to us, but not for a scientist.

Only magic to the ignorant.

Quote by: Technosoul They have become our "saviors" in times of need - health wise.

Relevant to the topic how?

Quote by: Technosoul DNA science has all but gained top authority in our justice system. If anyone ever believed in any sort of "absolute proof" it would be in the truisms of DNA matches.

Again, I fail to grasp the relevancy. What are you talking about?

Quote by: Technosoul The science of physics have nearly become the top dog when it comes to explaining the universe and it's orgin [sic]. We trust math like some do the Bible, it must be right - right? Although they say that it is just a theory and that a new theory might replace it someday, the process called physics is promoted as being the 'only way; to prove how things happen in cosmology.

Physics isn't a process and only creationists state the anything is "just a theory."

Quote by: Technosoul We can only stand in awe at the many inventions, like the computer, which are coming forth from science in rapid fire.

They may result from scientific advances, but computers are applied science - in other words, engineering.

Quote by: Technosoul Science fiction movies rate high at the ticket office. We love it.

Meaningful, how?

Quote by: Technosoul Science, with it's many faces, has becme [sic] god over our way of life and held uttermost in our respect and thinking.

Don't be stupid. Anyone who understands science doesn't see it as any sort of god. Only the scientifically illiterate would make such a statement.

Quote by: Technosoul And yet they say they do not provide absolutes and so you must use your faith, and imagination, in order to place your hopes in that mission.

Wat that remark about science? Of course science doesn't provide absolutes. But that has nothing to do with faith or imagination. And what hopes and mission are you babbling about? Please make sense.

Quote by: Technosoul Religion under a different name is still religion.

Right. Under whatever name, religion is religion. But it is never science and science is never religion. You speak like a true fundamentalist.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: gallo From OZ are you, Chris? Or are you just imitating Aussie slang? Never heard anyone but an Aussie use that phrase (except for me on an Aussie board where everyone knows that I'm not from OZ).

You get it quite a lot in Scotland and, to the best of my knowledge, in England. Never heard it in the US though.

Edit: I just tried saying it in an American accent. Didn't sound quite right.

[pikatore]

Quote by: Technosoul Science is fast becoming the new "religion" for us here in the USA. By religion I mean "beleif system" and it's way of life.

Oh the humanity!! Doom be upon those who worship the false gods of gravity!

And Gallo, the phrase 'taking the piss' is a British term.

[Chris]

Quote by: gallo From OZ are you, Chris? Or are you just imitating Aussie slang? Never heard anyone but an Aussie use that phrase (except for me on an Aussie board where everyone knows that I'm not from OZ).

No in America here. I am only taking the piss of taking the piss.

They say it in the UK as well.

[Chris]

Nice biblical explanation here:

Did a meteor wipe out the dinosaurs? What about the iridium layer?

Land animals (this includes dinosaurs) and man were created on Day 6 about 6,000 years ago—so dinosaurs lived at the same time as people.

um yeah, dinosaurs co existed with humans? No evidence except a book written 2000+ years ago.

A global Flood occurred about 1,656 years later, wiping out all land animals that breathe though nostrils (that weren’t on the Ark). Thus billions of animals were buried quickly and formed fossils. This is when most dinosaur fossils formed.

So ALL animals were on the ark except dinosaurs? how convenient. The Whole earth flooded including Mt. Everest - which at that time was and still is higher than Mt. Ararat. All of the earth flooded including Japan, Australia, America and Antarctica despite -the lack of mans transportation means to verify it at that time - from 40 days and nights of rain. Yeah.

Noah took two of every kind of land animal (seven of the ‘clean’ ones) on board an ocean-liner–sized Ark — this included dinosaurs. For more information, see How did all the animals fit on Noah’s Ark?

Guess I misunderstood the last point. ok, this is feasible - yeah. :rolleyes: