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Gods_Mercenary · Dec 21, 2006, 01:39 pm

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We should invest in human capital, then stand back and let people solve their own problems.

People don't solve their own problems.

Captain Chaos · Dec 21, 2006, 04:41 pm

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People don't solve their own problems.

Um...

I have solved a number of my own problems in my life.

Captain Chaos · Dec 21, 2006, 04:42 pm

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Thanks for the clarification.

I think there is a current collective consciousness, and though it is being fought by social and religious constructs, it is growing everyday.

I think that collective consciousness is science in all forms.

I would think in the question you are asking, it would be critical to discuss what is the meaning, or goals entailed in the word "progress".

The marriage of mind, body and machine?
The complete understanding of our individual, collective impact on nature?
Advancing human reach beyond our natural boundaries, through electronic or nano-machines?

I personally, feel man can not close the box on invention or innovation. Curiousity is natural in our species, and so are technology and innovation, but we are already learning how our lack of complete understanding has negatively impacted a large portion of our habitat by the creation and exploitation of previously discovered technology.

Once we cross from manipulating nature externally (outside the body) to manipulating nature internally (inside the body, mind, etc.) we affect the very essence of what makes us human. I think our genetic "default settings" if you will, allow us to do a great deal that we still haven't learned to deal with socially even now. I hesitate to rush exploration into social engineering, and I think that is what is at the root of this thinking. Social utopia, through technology. I don't so much doubt it could be done, I more worry of how and why it would be done, and what will be lost because of it. One mans utopia is another mans hell, so would removing "what makes us individual" not be a necessity for this line of thought, in finality?

I don't support that, if so.

Osborn must be assimilated.

Praxius · Dec 21, 2006, 05:07 pm

I've tapped into the heads of at least four people over the last year... it was quite interesting. Thoughts went both ways and the parties in question were pretty confused as to what was going on.

I'm heading home now, so I'll have to explain how I did this later....

No I'm not BS'ing anybody.... what I did, could easily be done by anybody with a strong mental discipline.

Captain Chaos · Dec 21, 2006, 05:11 pm

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I've tapped into the heads of at least four people over the last year... it was quite interesting. Thoughts went both ways and the parties in question were pretty confused as to what was going on.

I'm heading home now, so I'll have to explain how I did this later....

No I'm not BS'ing anybody.... what I did, could easily be done by anybody with a strong mental discipline.

OK...

so spill the beans on how you accomplished this! Don't leave us dangling with our skeptical willies hanging in our hands.

Praxius · Dec 22, 2006, 10:15 am

Well ok.... first let me say this:

Drugs are bad, M'Kay?

Alright, now that I covered my legal ends, the first time this occurred I was under the influence of LSD. I've done prior to this experience and I've learned when not to over do it, etc....... but this time wasn't the case.

My girlfriend and I decided to pull off doing two hits in one night (If you do decide to try LSD, only do one.... you don't need anymore then that.)

Eventually through the night, I think I was sitting on the can having a dump, when for some reason, the answer to how time worked, how life evolves, what's coming in the future, what came in the past..... basically I was standing just out of phase of normal space and time and I could just see the timeline and everything just made perfect sense.

Excited, I tried to explain the whole situation to my girlfriend, without actually saying directly what the answers are. I was a bit paranoid that once I said it out loud, life would end..... I was high, it made sense at the time.

Anyways, I was passing her clues, and helping her direct her mind to work on the same level as mine. I had to relate her to some of my past traits in life that I do a lot of, and explained why i did them. Then we talked about some of her traits and then we talked about the things I seen and how everything went together..... it was so simple it was complicated.

Eventually, it got to the point where as soon as I stopped talking, she'd continue talking, and when she stopped talking, I picked up the empty space. Within a few minutes of that it came to the point where we were finishing each other's sentences and right at that moment, not only did she finally figure out what I was talking about as was excited as much as I was, but we also noticed we were still hearing words when our mouths were not open...... we were finishing one another's sentences and already knowing what each was going to say, because for some reason we trained our minds to be on the exact same parallel.

I figured that it's just because we're fried that we were just messing with one another's heads.... but later, she went to the bathroom and while she was down the hallway, I decided to think of something funny..... immediately I hear her laughing in the bathroom, then as I walked down the hallway to meet her before she came out, and she opened the door at the same time as I got there, we both pointed at each other to say something, did it at the same time and just ended up laughing our asses off.

However, about an hour after all of this, we were stuck in this mind melt, where we were loosing the control over who's thought was who's and about what..... I would safely say that our minds took a strain on something that it was not used to doing, and for the next couple of days, we had some bad headaches.

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Now I've gotten this to happen on a few other occasions that didn't involve Acid, but since that night with the acid, I've remembered how to do it when I wanted to. It's not me controlling another mind, but it's rather having multiple minds connect on the exact level of thinking as the others.

The last time I got this to work, was with 3 other people at one time. I was talking with them about this same situation and trying to explain to them how it all happened.... in about 10-15 mins of talking and explaining it all, all of us were taking turns finishing each other's sentences and hearing what each other was thinking..... we knew each other's complete sentences immediately after the first word out of the mouth.

Some of us were completely sober, other's just got finished smoking some weed, and some were drinking..... so you had all kinds of different mind frames connecting to the same level. I asked some of these friends a few days later if they remember what happened that night, and they'd say "I remember it was pretty fokked up, and I was up all night thinking about stuff." And they also reported having some bas headaches as well..... which seems to be a strain on the brain.

To exactly explain how we went about this, is kinda impossible over text and the internet, you have to be one on one, talking without distraction and focus for about 10 - 15 mins, before your mind starts to understand what's all being said. It's not hypnotism, but I would say it falls under the same category.

In my experience, this isn't something you would want to have working for more then an hour, because if it continues after that, you tend to get some pretty bad headaches and you can't think clearly after a while, because it feels as though your brain is overloading with multiple thoughts it has to filter through, which it's not used to.

You can think this is all a crock of BS, and I'm just screwing with your head, but why would I? I'm not out to make myself sound great or anything, nor am I thinking I'm special. Weither or not you believe these incidences occurred, doesn't matter to me. I can't exactly prove they did, unless I sit down in front of you and try to make it work. I can only describe what I experienced as I seen it and let you interp. what occurred.

But since this occurance I had way back when I first realized how everything works in the universe, I've had such peace and understanding in my life. Nothing up until that point in my life has ever made all the answers crystal clear to me. Granted I forget most of what was shown to me, since it was a lot of info, but knowing the general concept of what was out there to come, past all the bad and good, I know I'll see it all again and I'm at peace with myself.

Can all of this actually happen? Well they say we don't use all of our brain at present, so I imagine within time, we'll be encountering these similar experiences soon enough in the next 100 years..... if not earlier. Right now, I feel it's like trying to use muscles you haven't used in a while, which would explain the headaches.

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A collective conciousness is possible, but I don't think it will be a 24/7 thing that happens, and I don't believe the mind will be completely open to everybody to look into..... from my experience, it's only what's going through the mind at present that can be read.

Then again.... maybe I'm just a crazy person who escaped from the minimum security ward.

Gods_Mercenary · Dec 22, 2006, 12:42 pm

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Um...

I have solved a number of my own problems in my life.

I meant society as a whole never takes a direct route to solve its own problems.

Captain Chaos · Dec 22, 2006, 04:48 pm

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I meant society as a whole never takes a direct route to solve its own problems.

What I was saying earlier is that we should invest in human capital, so as to empower individuals to solve their own problems in life.

Ya know... teach a man to fish rather than giving him a fish and that sort of thing.

jeffl · Dec 23, 2006, 01:02 am

Nice thread.

It's easy to be loose with terms about 'consciousness.' To cut to my own chase; it seems to me there are three levels of 'consciousness.' First, consciousness generally; there is no reason to think anything is not conscious. Second, cognition; the general state of awareness, requiring some form of memory. Third, cogitation; ordered symbol manipulation.

The collective and the individual both just happen; consciousness, that is.

If sanity is a continuity of cognition, or cogitation, then maybe religion is the physical instanciation of that collective sanity. It must be asked; if temporary collective insanities are a result of general misconceptions or an inappropriate focus (for whatever reason.)

jeffl · Dec 23, 2006, 11:25 am

To the point; yes, cc should be a progressive ideal. It has been for a very long time; we've only been able to articulate that en masse just recently.

When you come to realize that we've been at this in a rather profound fashion for quite some time it becomes very compelling. The victory of the hebrew structure over the hindu structure is simply a matter of fact resulting from the physical primacy of familial instinct over political instinct.

Osborn F Enready · Dec 23, 2006, 01:46 pm

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Osborn must be assimilated.

Bring an army, and pack them a lunch, and expect to walk away with at best a "draw", cause thats all you're getting.

Dec 21, 2006, 05:07 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	I've tapped into the heads of at least four people over the last year... it was quite interesting. Thoughts went both ways and the parties in question were pretty confused as to what was going on. I'm heading home now, so I'll have to explain how I did this later.... No I'm not BS'ing anybody.... what I did, could easily be done by anybody with a strong mental discipline.

Dec 22, 2006, 10:15 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	Well ok.... first let me say this: Drugs are bad, M'Kay? Alright, now that I covered my legal ends, the first time this occurred I was under the influence of LSD. I've done prior to this experience and I've learned when not to over do it, etc....... but this time wasn't the case. My girlfriend and I decided to pull off doing two hits in one night (If you do decide to try LSD, only do one.... you don't need anymore then that.) Eventually through the night, I think I was sitting on the can having a dump, when for some reason, the answer to how time worked, how life evolves, what's coming in the future, what came in the past..... basically I was standing just out of phase of normal space and time and I could just see the timeline and everything just made perfect sense. Excited, I tried to explain the whole situation to my girlfriend, without actually saying directly what the answers are. I was a bit paranoid that once I said it out loud, life would end..... I was high, it made sense at the time. Anyways, I was passing her clues, and helping her direct her mind to work on the same level as mine. I had to relate her to some of my past traits in life that I do a lot of, and explained why i did them. Then we talked about some of her traits and then we talked about the things I seen and how everything went together..... it was so simple it was complicated. Eventually, it got to the point where as soon as I stopped talking, she'd continue talking, and when she stopped talking, I picked up the empty space. Within a few minutes of that it came to the point where we were finishing each other's sentences and right at that moment, not only did she finally figure out what I was talking about as was excited as much as I was, but we also noticed we were still hearing words when our mouths were not open...... we were finishing one another's sentences and already knowing what each was going to say, because for some reason we trained our minds to be on the exact same parallel. I figured that it's just because we're fried that we were just messing with one another's heads.... but later, she went to the bathroom and while she was down the hallway, I decided to think of something funny..... immediately I hear her laughing in the bathroom, then as I walked down the hallway to meet her before she came out, and she opened the door at the same time as I got there, we both pointed at each other to say something, did it at the same time and just ended up laughing our asses off. However, about an hour after all of this, we were stuck in this mind melt, where we were loosing the control over who's thought was who's and about what..... I would safely say that our minds took a strain on something that it was not used to doing, and for the next couple of days, we had some bad headaches. ------------------------------------ Now I've gotten this to happen on a few other occasions that didn't involve Acid, but since that night with the acid, I've remembered how to do it when I wanted to. It's not me controlling another mind, but it's rather having multiple minds connect on the exact level of thinking as the others. The last time I got this to work, was with 3 other people at one time. I was talking with them about this same situation and trying to explain to them how it all happened.... in about 10-15 mins of talking and explaining it all, all of us were taking turns finishing each other's sentences and hearing what each other was thinking..... we knew each other's complete sentences immediately after the first word out of the mouth. Some of us were completely sober, other's just got finished smoking some weed, and some were drinking..... so you had all kinds of different mind frames connecting to the same level. I asked some of these friends a few days later if they remember what happened that night, and they'd say "I remember it was pretty fokked up, and I was up all night thinking about stuff." And they also reported having some bas headaches as well..... which seems to be a strain on the brain. To exactly explain how we went about this, is kinda impossible over text and the internet, you have to be one on one, talking without distraction and focus for about 10 - 15 mins, before your mind starts to understand what's all being said. It's not hypnotism, but I would say it falls under the same category. In my experience, this isn't something you would want to have working for more then an hour, because if it continues after that, you tend to get some pretty bad headaches and you can't think clearly after a while, because it feels as though your brain is overloading with multiple thoughts it has to filter through, which it's not used to. You can think this is all a crock of BS, and I'm just screwing with your head, but why would I? I'm not out to make myself sound great or anything, nor am I thinking I'm special. Weither or not you believe these incidences occurred, doesn't matter to me. I can't exactly prove they did, unless I sit down in front of you and try to make it work. I can only describe what I experienced as I seen it and let you interp. what occurred. But since this occurance I had way back when I first realized how everything works in the universe, I've had such peace and understanding in my life. Nothing up until that point in my life has ever made all the answers crystal clear to me. Granted I forget most of what was shown to me, since it was a lot of info, but knowing the general concept of what was out there to come, past all the bad and good, I know I'll see it all again and I'm at peace with myself. Can all of this actually happen? Well they say we don't use all of our brain at present, so I imagine within time, we'll be encountering these similar experiences soon enough in the next 100 years..... if not earlier. Right now, I feel it's like trying to use muscles you haven't used in a while, which would explain the headaches. ------------------------------------------ A collective conciousness is possible, but I don't think it will be a 24/7 thing that happens, and I don't believe the mind will be completely open to everybody to look into..... from my experience, it's only what's going through the mind at present that can be read. Then again.... maybe I'm just a crazy person who escaped from the minimum security ward.

Dec 23, 2006, 01:02 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	Nice thread. It's easy to be loose with terms about 'consciousness.' To cut to my own chase; it seems to me there are three levels of 'consciousness.' First, consciousness generally; there is no reason to think anything is not conscious. Second, cognition; the general state of awareness, requiring some form of memory. Third, cogitation; ordered symbol manipulation. The collective and the individual both just happen; consciousness, that is. If sanity is a continuity of cognition, or cogitation, then maybe religion is the physical instanciation of that collective sanity. It must be asked; if temporary collective insanities are a result of general misconceptions or an inappropriate focus (for whatever reason.)

Dec 23, 2006, 11:25 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	To the point; yes, cc should be a progressive ideal. It has been for a very long time; we've only been able to articulate that en masse just recently. When you come to realize that we've been at this in a rather profound fashion for quite some time it becomes very compelling. The victory of the hebrew structure over the hindu structure is simply a matter of fact resulting from the physical primacy of familial instinct over political instinct.