God's Will

[Athena]

I think I am doing God's will to increase awareness of the noecons and the New World Order agenda that threatens humanity. But as Kuldeep might point out, that is a pretty heavy duty ego trip. Why should I believe I am doing the will of God and am not just deluded?

Conservatives, especially the Christian Right, also believe they are doing the will of God. I oppose them.

How do we know the will of God, or universal law? Can we be born to the do the will of God? Can our souls come to know the will of God? How?

Kuldeep speaks of purity of mind, and my mind is far from pure. I am afraid if I give up the battle and go for purity of mind, the Darkness will win and destroy life on earth and all the souls attached to it. And yet by fighting the Darkness on its terms, I am consumed by it. I pray, persons such as Kuldeep can repair the damange of our war, or for sure the Darkness will win.

[Lotharia]

Quote by: Athena I think I am doing God's will to increase awareness of the noecons and the New World Order agenda that threatens humanity. But as Kuldeep might point out, that is a pretty heavy duty ego trip. Why should I believe I am doing the will of God and am not just deluded? Conservatives, especially the Christian Right, also believe they are doing the will of God. I oppose them. How do we know the will of God, or universal law? Can we be born to the do the will of God? Can our souls come to know the will of God? How? Kuldeep speaks of purity of mind, and my mind is far from pure. I am afraid if I give up the battle and go for purity of mind, the Darkness will win and destroy life on earth and all the souls attached to it. And yet by fighting the Darkness on its terms, I am consumed by it. I pray, persons such as Kuldeep can repair the damange of our war, or for sure the Darkness will win.

Seems to me you're talking about this omnipotent god story, right? If your god is omnipotent, then whatever he wills will be. So, why would he need your measly meager human help with it? Or am I missing something?

[Jimmy the Pro]

Quote by: Athena I think I am doing God's will to increase awareness of the noecons and the New World Order agenda that threatens humanity. But as Kuldeep might point out, that is a pretty heavy duty ego trip. Why should I believe I am doing the will of God and am not just deluded? Conservatives, especially the Christian Right, also believe they are doing the will of God. I oppose them. How do we know the will of God, or universal law? Can we be born to the do the will of God? Can our souls come to know the will of God? How? Kuldeep speaks of purity of mind, and my mind is far from pure. I am afraid if I give up the battle and go for purity of mind, the Darkness will win and destroy life on earth and all the souls attached to it. And yet by fighting the Darkness on its terms, I am consumed by it. I pray, persons such as Kuldeep can repair the damange of our war, or for sure the Darkness will win.

Man Athena, that last part sounds like apocolytic literature. hehe

To answer ur question, how do we know the will of God:

I believe we will never fully know the overall will of God, that is the plan for humanitiy, but i believe the end would be to be one with Him in Heaven.

As for our plan for this life and His will, well, I think that would be a personal matter of faith. Personal matters of faith are the plans God has created for our lives and I believe the answer for God's will begins there.

We must look inside ourselves and see the plan God has for us. Sometimes the plan is not fully known, but when we start with ourselves, we begin to see the will of God in others, and I believe in doing this we are able to figure out His Will for society.

As for me, heck I dont know what God's planning for humanity in this lifetime. I'm not fully sure what He has planned for me, but I know that if I look inside myself and find His plan for me, I will have a better understanding of His entire plan.

[samsara15]

I might suggest that if there is an all-everything God, you cannot do otherwise than do His will, Free Will or not.

[Jimmy the Pro]

which brings me to an intersting thought, Free will is often God's will, and even the free will apart from God ultimately serves as a sign of His power in one way or anohter

[Fonceai]

Actually, God allegedly gave us free will and some believe he punishes us for using it.

I think the greater sin is never having an opinion, never using your free will at all.

[Jimmy the Pro]

Quote by: Fonceai Actually, God allegedly gave us free will and some believe he punishes us for using it. I think the greater sin is never having an opinion, never using your free will at all.

Well said man

[samsara15]

People like you or me are gonna get fried if this particular God exists, whatever way you look at it. I hope they use nice spices, when I'm fried, so I'll be tasty.

[Fonceai]

As long as they wrap me in bacon first, I'm down with the frying.

I don't so much mind if I get sent to Hell, as long as I brought a smile to God's face at least once.

Nothing better than knowing The Man thought of you and smiled.

[Athena]

Ah, come on folks you didn't explain how can know God's will. I really disapoint no one said "read the bible".

Turning inward to one's inner self could surely lead to delusion. I think Kuldeep would be infavor of looking within, but I think his thoughts for doing this are so different from Christian ones, it is hard for me to grasp what he is saying. I hope he gets to this thread. Like our Christian think can lead to some pretty bad delusions, like James Town.

How about science. Can we know of God through science?

[Jimmy the Pro]

Quote by: Athena Ah, come on folks you didn't explain how can know God's will. I really disapoint no one said "read the bible". Turning inward to one's inner self could surely lead to delusion. Like our Christian think can lead to some pretty bad delusions, like James Town.

Delusion? hm whereas the Bible leads to false pretense. Look there are cons to both of them the reason I didnt say "read the Bible" becasue often the Christian use and history of use of the Bible and Devine law has lead to certain mishaps. I believe the Puritans in Jamestown u refrence would fall under the category of a theocracy. Meaning they have to be governed by laws that deal with the Church.

So you see Athena, looking inside would actually be an alternative to the common misuse of the Bible among Christians and misuse of Church Teaching, much like the Puritans you mentioned.

Quote by: Athena How about science. Can we know of God through science?

Nice topic chage.

[Kuldeep]

Athena, you would know God's will exactly the same way as you know your own will, my will or any body else will !!!! Simple you have to ask yourself, myself or anybody whose will you want to know. For that it is very much essential to know the concerned person well. Could you get the hint? Or, I have to explain in detail! No? Then read further!!

As in case of knowing any individual's will, for knowing God 's will also we need to know God. Or, meet him face to face and then ask what his Will is!!!!

I am tired of saying, irrespective of any religion's faith, I do logically believe in no separate manifested God in heaven or else where other than this Universe, which science has proved to approach + infinity since Astronomers proved the universe expands with increasing acceleration. Mathematically speaking, if separate God is added to this universe still it would remain infinity only. Therefore, to my mind this UNIVERSE HAS TO BE ONLY AND ONLY GOD in sum total. Now after finding God as Universe, our next step would be to know it well to come to its WILL. We, with the help of our best available tool, Science , continue our efforts to know Universe fully. Again we try to know infinity with our finite intellect. This too is mathematically impossible!!! However, through science we have unravelled many misteries in universe. We have sufficiently understood Universe to be able to know its (God's) WILL.

In simplest term, I can say God's (Universe's) Will is the fulfillment of its innumerable properties (known and unkown both):(

As regards individual's role (Athena for example) in fulfilling that will, I would start after lunch break!!!!! :)

[Athena]

Quote by: Kuldeep Athena, you would know God's will exactly the same way as you know your own will, my will or any body else will !!!! Simple you have to ask yourself, myself or anybody whose will you want to know. For that it is very much essential to know the concerned person well. Could you get the hint? Or, I have to explain in detail! No? Then read further!! As in case of knowing any individual's will, for knowing God 's will also we need to know God. Or, meet him face to face and then ask what his Will is!!!! I am tired of saying, irrespective of any religion's faith, I do logically believe in no separate manifested God in heaven or else where other than this Universe, which science has proved to approach + infinity since Astronomers proved the universe expands with increasing acceleration. Mathematically speaking, if separate God is added to this universe still it would remain infinity only. Therefore, to my mind this UNIVERSE HAS TO BE ONLY AND ONLY GOD in sum total. Now after finding God as Universe, our next step would be to know it well to come to its WILL. We, with the help of our best available tool, Science , continue our efforts to know Universe fully. Again we try to know infinity with our finite intellect. This too is mathematically impossible!!! However, through science we have unravelled many misteries in universe. We have sufficiently understood Universe to be able to know its (God's) WILL. In simplest term, I can say God's (Universe's) Will is the fulfillment of its innumerable properties (known and unkown both):( As regards individual's role (Athena for example) in fulfilling that will, I would start after lunch break!!!!! :)

Kuldeep, I love the way you think! You spoke of science and knowing the universe and the fulfillment of its innumberable properties. Yes! This is so different from how those of us who know only Christianity, but not how people of India or the orient think. I like it so much better.

Sorry you must say it over and over again, but our minds keep slipping back into their habitual frames of a comparitively limited God with very limited will, because the only thing this view of God thinks about is, how well we worship him and obey him. This God view is not about the whole unvierse. It is about us. Worse, it as some believe, the Jews must rebuild their temple, and then Jesus will return and like Santa Claus, and reward those of us who have been good with an eternal heaven, and punish those of us who have been bad with eternal hell fire and damnation. The whole human experience is about this one moment in time, when we shift from reality as we know it, to eternal heaven or hell. This is why we must get rid of the Palestinians and Muslims that stand in the way of the Jews rebuilding their temple. Nothing else, like severe lack of water, the spread of AIDS, global poverty, etc. matters, because there will be no more problems after Jesus returns. Except of course for those who will not enter heaven. Too bad for them.

I think someone thought I was trying to change the subject when I asked if we can use science to know God's will. Kuldeep, thank you for suggesting God might have more in mind how well we worship and obey Him. Do you realize we have build new neuron pathways in our brains to think as you do? We can not just think as you do, because our neurons are pathed for Christian thinking, even for those of us who are not Christian, because Christianity has so defined our culture. This is not as simple as accepting new information. It takes time and repeated stimulation of thought to build those new mental pictures. Heck, I can't even picture your understanding of God. We hold images of heaven and hell in our heads. How do you picture God?

[Kuldeep]

Unfortunate Athena! Yesterday as promised, I wrote a long post describing the role of individual in fulfilling the Universe's (God's) Will, but somehow the Close Button got pressed and whole thing vanished...That was the Universe's (God's) Will yesterday. It was destined for you not to read in continuation of my last post.
With description of term "destined" I would try to reframe what I wrote yesterday which naturally can never be same word by word. Five forces govern destined goal of any action, success or failure:

i) Quality of the action performer (Doer, subject)

ii) Quality of the person for which action is done (Object)

iii) Quality of the Environment (conducive situation)

iv) Quality of means (instruments used for performing action)

v) Destined (nature's Will, fate, luck and the like)

If all the above five factors are favorable the action would be derive expected results. On the other hand if any one of the five factors are not appropriate, there is every possibility of action to fail. [This is my commentary of a verse from Bhagved Gita, Chapter 18, verse 11 or 16.]

Now the individual's role in fulfilling the Universe's, nature's or God's WILL . Quoting from my last post the definition of God's will as:

Quote by: Kuldeep God's (Universe's) Will is the fulfillment of its innumerable properties (known and unknown both)

One of the very important unavoidable properties of universe is Action/Reaction. Meaning action done has to have a reaction. Coming to an individual his Ego of mind develops unlimited desires of various natures. These desires make to perform actions. Obviously, every action as per nature's property rebounds to produce reaction. Good action begets good reaction (pleasant result) while bad action returns bad reaction (unpleasant result). This action/reaction goes on and on continually as long as Ego and desires in mind exist. It is everybody's experience till death that desires do not go away and so action/reaction. With the death apparently physical actions seize but reactions of some already actions done are pending to come to individual. So, without proof I think Ego and desires in the individual do not go away even after death. To my mind since Individual loves his body the most. As per property of nature being very kind, does not keep the Individual in mourning stage for longtime and so offers another body in the form of fetus in some lady's womb of his own choice, as reincarnation. This way, Individual's action/reaction in new body continues and becomes his fate, destined luck or universe’s will for him.
Further speaking on actions, it is to be understood that these actions are two types. One, which are done at times, in spite of all the dislikes for such actions. Such actions are done to fulfill or balance the reaction of past actions done in present or past lives. Second, actions are done with existing Ego and desires in the mind. These are fresh ones, done willingly suiting your temperament. In such actions results are normally as per your expectations. Or, sometimes experience is gained and benefit comes later, or even in next life if in mean time Individual dies.

Coming to Athena's genuine doubt about what her role should be as regards “removal of darkness spread by wrong beliefs and faiths from different religions, political parties, communities etc. etc.” This is very thought provoking question, so it demands a fresh Para here:

Athena or any individual for that matter is bound to act to fulfill WILL OF GOD, as per Action/Reaction property of Nature, Universe or God as explained before!! It is also the wish of Individual to remain always happy and peaceful. This too is as per human nature and is a property of Great Over All Nature. Logic and common sense say that role of individual should be to restrict own Ego (mind's) desires to perform only good actions with expectations of good reaction (pleasant fruits) in return. Further it is to be understood that past bad actions cannot be undone, their reactions are bound to come to us. But one’s continual good actions would exhaust the effect of past bad actions at sometime in present life or future lives. On training own Individual mind, which would start, moving itself on purification path. On some purification of mind, Athena for example would realize that her role is to continue her mind’s purification till she would realize that the darkness she had been talking, is itself reaction of past bad actions of millions. Therefore, the world has to suffer itself is also destined and our purified Athena would be just watching the whole show as a video cinema. She would only roam about telling people to perform only good actions for the reason mentioned above. From this, I conclude the darkness, which Athena talked, is not darkness but bad reaction of bad actions done in past or being continually done presently even.
Concluding gist therefore, is control your mind to have desires, which would make one to perform only good actions for good returns. This as simple as that!!!!!:)