religion and reasoning

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Athena Well I don't know if I understand everything you said, but it seems more reasonable to think in these terms than the biblical myths. Like for those of us who believe the universe began with a big bang, obviously everything came from nothing. There wasn't even hydrogen a basic element that comes before others. But one day a subatomic particle spun left instead of right, and boom there are the ingredients of the universe. I hope someone can correct me if I said something wrong. My memory of that explanation is vague. Isn't it easier to comprehend a Zeus like God who created everything, than trying to remember the names of subatomic particles and if the spin that brought everything into being was a right or left spin, and then the evolution of elements, and formation of planets.

I do not know why but, I have doubt for BB or getting evrything created from sub-atomic spining effect of electron and/protron. Somehow I feel the whole creation with enormous properties of evolution are eternal with begining or end.:(

Yet, I think if we understand reality realistically we can than contemplate consciousness on a new level, beyond our little egos, and hold a better understanding of an infinite God.

Consciousness is beyond any material including sub-atomic particle or Jesus but is best possible tool to explain things like emotions, feelings, thought etc.

I very much appreciate your explanation of zero. I wonder how many attempted to understand it?

Thankyou very much! I too wonder as you!!!

[shunyadragon]

Quote by: Athena Thank you for clarifying. Oh yes, I do so believe religions begin with reasoning, and everything would be fine if they returned to reasoning, and dropped the cultural stuff that was mentioned in another thread. Yet I am uncomfortable with a defect of my culture, of which you renewed my awareness. For us 0 is a tool we use for math, not actually a concept. We call 0 a place holder. Kuldeep, would explain 0 for us? Me thinks I can not think clearly, because my thoughts are like muddy water. There is no 0, clear water, in my thinking. Does that make any sense:eek:

Athena

I believe the beginning of religion begins with revelation and the inner awakening of the human spirit. Reason comes in with the unfortunate justification of humans for selfish purposes, and control issues in social hierarchy. Reason is not always bad, but from the human perspective the inner awakening, and the compathic (Compathy - compassion without reward, personal benifit or purpose. People seek a reason for their belief and involvement.) unselfish nature of human nature lies at the root of revelation, and reason must follow. If reason is first and justifies compassion, and therefore religion, human relationships are selective and justified (empathy - cause and effect, and reason become the determiners for compassionate relationships, and emotion desires reward and just returns for those relationships.ie I am sad when your sad and I am angry when your angry.). When emotion rules and justifies reason, and fear guards the gate than sympathetic relationships rule over reason, and we have the worst possibly expression of human nature.