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Nathan Struth · Nov 30, 2006, 01:08 pm

You know what? I'm leaving the troop. I can't take this bigotry from them.

I talked to the scout master who I thought was one of the greatest guys I had known, but he wanted to "impose the will of god on people" and "I will exclude people if that's what I have to do". And even if he didn't believe in excluding poeple, the fact that he goes along with it and conforms means he's a conformer witht he bigots. I don't think america was formed on conforming was it?

SO this is my decision. I'm going on the ski trip in Janurary, then I'm leaving.
I've had it with their bigotry and I won't say "the good outweighs the bad" because I dont' stand for intolerance of beliefs. My dad says the good outweighs the bad, but he's not the Aethist. Neither is the scout master.

Fuck these bigots.

Scribbler1 · Nov 30, 2006, 07:20 pm

But you'll still take the ski trip?

Compugasm · Nov 30, 2006, 08:40 pm

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But you'll still take the ski trip?

That was my thought too, but then it wouldn't matter to the scouts if he went on the trip or not, so he might as well go, and reward himself for sticking it out this long.

Scribbler1 · Nov 30, 2006, 10:07 pm

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That was my thought too, but then it wouldn't matter to the scouts if he went on the trip or not, so he might as well go, and reward himself for sticking it out this long.

I would go too, but not if I was that disgusted by the scouts.
Yeah, fuck those bigots. I wouldn't spend another MINUTE with them...right after I get in a little skiing.

I love it.

Kamehameha34 · Nov 30, 2006, 10:37 pm

It all depends on you.

Personally, I'd feel like a hypocrite if I chose to lie about it. (That isn't a judgement about you if you decide to lie, though.)

If getting into a good college, and looking better on applications is important to you (as it is to me, that wasn't sarcastic

), then I say lie.

Fact is, if lying about it doesn't make you feel weird, then there's really no reason NOT to lie. It's not like athiesm has a scare tactic for thou of little faith.

Compugasm · Dec 1, 2006, 01:09 am

In situations like this, I like to ask myself, what would Ben Affleck do?

Kuldeep · Dec 7, 2006, 07:30 am

Nathan Struth, BEST OF LUCK for rest of your life ahead. Many suggestion were given to you, but remember final judge are you only. "Circumstances alter cases" is the quote I want put here for you as guide for future, from three act play "Admirable Chriton" my B. Sc. English course book.(1970)

In the play, Chriton use to be head servant in Lord Loams family. Lord Loam used to arranage party in honour of all the servants, once every month while all the Lord family members used serve the servants. This chap, Chriton never could be at ease with this party. He thought servant master relationship should always be maintained. He never liked his master should provide un--nessary respect to him just for show.

It so happened, in second Act that full Lord family along with all the servants went on sea vouage. They met a sea storm and their ship got driven to a far off island. No body lived there except animals and birds. It was under changed circumstances, Chriton took the lead and managed tent making, arranging food etc for the party. Over the time, Lord Loam was feeling pride in obeying his master Chriton. Chriton was firm in his belief, he did not throw any party to useless Lords as his equals even once. Lord Loam decided to marry his daughter to Chriton in due course. But as luck had it, Chriton and others saw some ship at some distance and managed to attract its attention. Ship approached the island and took the party back to their place. In the end, Chriton was shown with hands on knees, back bent ready to take orders from Lord Loam in the third Act. This is how circumstance change the cases.

My intention of wrting my old read story is to tell you not to bother much but think properly in the present situation and take a rational decision, beneficial to you but not harmful to others.

Finally he is further advice which I give to all, my children in particular

Learn from Past, Enjoy Present and Plan for Future!!!!:) :) :)

Osborn F Enready · Dec 7, 2006, 04:33 pm

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Nathan said:
Fuck these bigots.

I agree, and fully support you in your choice. Noble indeed, especially if you say "F" the ski-trip, and make a statement to the troop about why you are leaving, and NOT going on the ski-trip in support of your beliefs.

We can all wake up the sheeple by doing noble things, and calling attention to injustice loudly and without fear.

Marilyn Monroe · Dec 7, 2006, 04:47 pm

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I agree, and fully support you in your choice. Noble indeed, especially if you say "F" the ski-trip, and make a statement to the troop about why you are leaving, and NOT going on the ski-trip in support of your beliefs.

We can all wake up the sheeple by doing noble things, and calling attention to injustice loudly and without fear.

The sheeple usually have a very hard time being awakened, and many times die before it happens.

From my experience calling attention to injustice usually gets you nowhere.

What gets attention is a lawsuit.

Jagged · Dec 9, 2006, 04:01 pm

lawsuits, yum.

Become a deist.

Morgan_Freeman · Dec 9, 2006, 06:29 pm

One thing you guys didn't mention, and probably don't know, is that the military (or at least the Marine Corps) gives an enlistment bonus to Eagle Scouts. Seems to me that violates the first amendment. Thoughts?

Cephus · Dec 10, 2006, 06:09 pm

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What gets attention is a lawsuit.

But they've been sued before and it doesn't do any good. They are a private organization, they can discriminate in any way they want. You have no right whatsoever to go against their wishes, you can either be a member under their rules or you can leave.

I just wish we could get them separated from sucking on the taxpayer's teat. If they want to be a private organization, they should get no government money or priviledges whatsoever.

Marilyn Monroe · Dec 11, 2006, 07:25 am

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lawsuits, yum.

Become a deist.

This is true. The belief that God created the world, but takes no part in it. This will leave you in the middle. Many of the founding father's were deists. You can become a Unitarian-Universalist. They believe nothing, but go to church. You can believe or not believe and still go there from my understanding. This would be a church, and the scouts would have to consider it.

http://www.uua.org/

Osborn F Enready · Dec 11, 2006, 01:08 pm

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Morgan said:
One thing you guys didn't mention, and probably don't know, is that the military (or at least the Marine Corps) gives an enlistment bonus to Eagle Scouts. Seems to me that violates the first amendment. Thoughts?

More of the same corruption, and un"stated" agenda.

Marilyn Monroe · Dec 12, 2006, 07:06 am

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More of the same corruption, and un"stated" agenda.

I'd have to think it's the skills they pick up more than anything.

Nathan Struth · Dec 16, 2006, 07:00 pm

I'm quitting after the ski trip. I've finally decided on what to do. If I lied it would change my beliefs, my integrity most of all. I'm not lying to get to places. Bye bye scouts

Nov 30, 2006, 01:08 pm	#81 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	You know what? I'm leaving the troop. I can't take this bigotry from them. I talked to the scout master who I thought was one of the greatest guys I had known, but he wanted to "impose the will of god on people" and "I will exclude people if that's what I have to do". And even if he didn't believe in excluding poeple, the fact that he goes along with it and conforms means he's a conformer witht he bigots. I don't think america was formed on conforming was it? SO this is my decision. I'm going on the ski trip in Janurary, then I'm leaving. I've had it with their bigotry and I won't say "the good outweighs the bad" because I dont' stand for intolerance of beliefs. My dad says the good outweighs the bad, but he's not the Aethist. Neither is the scout master. Fuck these bigots. I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Nov 30, 2006, 07:20 pm	#82 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,837	But you'll still take the ski trip? Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Dec 1, 2006, 01:09 am	#86 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,890	In situations like this, I like to ask myself, what would Ben Affleck do? Death to Videodrome! Long live The New flesh!

Dec 9, 2006, 06:29 pm	#91 (permalink) (top)
Morgan_Freeman Illogic Hunter Location: Seattle Posts: 2,385	One thing you guys didn't mention, and probably don't know, is that the military (or at least the Marine Corps) gives an enlistment bonus to Eagle Scouts. Seems to me that violates the first amendment. Thoughts? "A republic, if you can keep it." -- Benjamin Franklin Free State Project freestateproject.org

Dec 16, 2006, 07:00 pm	#96 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	I'm quitting after the ski trip. I've finally decided on what to do. If I lied it would change my beliefs, my integrity most of all. I'm not lying to get to places. Bye bye scouts I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Nov 30, 2006, 10:37 pm	#85 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,548	It all depends on you. Personally, I'd feel like a hypocrite if I chose to lie about it. (That isn't a judgement about you if you decide to lie, though.) If getting into a good college, and looking better on applications is important to you (as it is to me, that wasn't sarcastic ), then I say lie. Fact is, if lying about it doesn't make you feel weird, then there's really no reason NOT to lie. It's not like athiesm has a scare tactic for thou of little faith.

Dec 7, 2006, 07:30 am	#87 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,721	Nathan Struth, BEST OF LUCK for rest of your life ahead. Many suggestion were given to you, but remember final judge are you only. "Circumstances alter cases" is the quote I want put here for you as guide for future, from three act play "Admirable Chriton" my B. Sc. English course book.(1970) In the play, Chriton use to be head servant in Lord Loams family. Lord Loam used to arranage party in honour of all the servants, once every month while all the Lord family members used serve the servants. This chap, Chriton never could be at ease with this party. He thought servant master relationship should always be maintained. He never liked his master should provide un--nessary respect to him just for show. It so happened, in second Act that full Lord family along with all the servants went on sea vouage. They met a sea storm and their ship got driven to a far off island. No body lived there except animals and birds. It was under changed circumstances, Chriton took the lead and managed tent making, arranging food etc for the party. Over the time, Lord Loam was feeling pride in obeying his master Chriton. Chriton was firm in his belief, he did not throw any party to useless Lords as his equals even once. Lord Loam decided to marry his daughter to Chriton in due course. But as luck had it, Chriton and others saw some ship at some distance and managed to attract its attention. Ship approached the island and took the party back to their place. In the end, Chriton was shown with hands on knees, back bent ready to take orders from Lord Loam in the third Act. This is how circumstance change the cases. My intention of wrting my old read story is to tell you not to bother much but think properly in the present situation and take a rational decision, beneficial to you but not harmful to others. Finally he is further advice which I give to all, my children in particular Learn from Past, Enjoy Present and Plan for Future!!!!:) :) :)

Dec 9, 2006, 04:01 pm	#90 (permalink) (top)
Jagged 99 Red Balloons Location: Washington DC Posts: 274	lawsuits, yum. Become a deist.