Unraveling the Jesus Myth

[Gaius]

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Quote by: dthmstr254 Correction. I am giving the statistics of the Bible. Every time someone brought a historical refute to the Bible, they were disproved. From Troy and the Hittites, to the existence of Nazereth, the Bible has been proven time and again as historically true.

Proof ? Nazereth didnt exist.

In addition, the Bible has also shown scientific accuracy when the rest of the world thought differently. The Bible states in Isaiah and Job that the world is a sphere. It states that the life of a person is found in the blood

Uh huh, thats why christian europe believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth, and used leeches to "treat" many things. Sure ok. You lose again.

Your rather biased statements in this post, while stating the Bible isn't true at all means that we should go back to believing the world is flat and that bleeding out a person is the best way to cure an illness. Besides, who needs their blood?

Tell that to christian europe when they thought travelling to the edge of the world, they would fall off, and the sun revolved around the earth and the christians used leeches to treat many illnessess. Your religion was debunked during the enlightenment, catch up to the 17th century will ya ?

[Gaius]

Quote by: dthmstr254 And with that, I shall bow out of the debate, because I can tell you people have no reason for being here beyond harassment.

Take your tissues with you, o defeated christian cry baby

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Gaius the difference being? Both are superheroes and have their own comic books, i like supermans' better because it has pictures. Uh huh sure. God is dead Deny that Im Zhavric? Im not Zhavric. Characterization of christians is accurate for the most part. The tone and attitude was triggered by the christian answers spawned from ignorance. What "sources"? You mean the myths? Youre denying those myths? excellent, now you can see why I deny your myth. Thank you phoenix The point was that its weird for someone to be a fan of something that requires an open mind, and yet be closed minded about a certain thing, in your case, your myth. Its like a republican or a christian conservative fan of Star trek. They love the show, but would hate for it to be applied IRL.

It's the fact that you both picked the exact same example for the exact same reason. Zhavric uses the Superman argument near constantly. It's not a good one. But it is very noticeable.

On the second, I'm putting together a string of suspicious coincidences. Individually they may not be much, but altogether, it's pretty convincing.

The third could be a lie by omission. All I'm saying is that if someone hinted that I was, say dthmstr or Isherwood, my first reaction would be to deny it. (I'm not, by the way). For one, I don't want my name associated with what another member might say. But you seem only to be applauding Zhavric and his brand of atheism, which is one of the major purposes of a duplicate account. Don't blame the similarities on Christians. That is neither here nor there. I've seen a lot of atheists on these boards. They all react to Christians posting, and they say all different things, none of which have led me to believe any of them are the same person. You act as if there are only a few valid responses. Obviously not true. But very Zhavric. He's convinced that the only entirely correct, accurate, and acceptable viewpoint is his own. Not just in a "I've chosen the correct faith" kinda way. But in a "you'd better hang on every word that I type or else you're obviously an ignorant moron" kinda way.

I was citing what you said. I was not making an argument either way: just an observation. Incidentally, the intentional misapprehension is very Zhavric too.

Funny. I told Zhavric that he should worship Star Trek. I wonder how that's going....

[Gaius]

Quote by: phoenix_fire It's the fact that you both picked the exact same example for the exact same reason. Zhavric uses the Superman argument near constantly. It's not a good one. But it is very noticeable. On the second, I'm putting together a string of suspicious coincidences. Individually they may not be much, but altogether, it's pretty convincing. The third could be a lie by omission. All I'm saying is that if someone hinted that I was, say dthmstr or Isherwood, my first reaction would be to deny it. (I'm not, by the way). For one, I don't want my name associated with what another member might say. But you seem only to be applauding Zhavric and his brand of atheism, which is one of the major purposes of a duplicate account. Don't blame the similarities on Christians. That is neither here nor there. I've seen a lot of atheists on these boards. They all react to Christians posting, and they say all different things, none of which have led me to believe any of them are the same person. You act as if there are only a few valid responses. Obviously not true. But very Zhavric. He's convinced that the only entirely correct, accurate, and acceptable viewpoint is his own. Not just in a "I've chosen the correct faith" kinda way. But in a "you'd better hang on every word that I type or else you're obviously an ignorant moron" kinda way. I was citing what you said. I was not making an argument either way: just an observation. Incidentally, the intentional misapprehension is very Zhavric too. Funny. I told Zhavric that he should worship Star Trek. I wonder how that's going....

This post is entirely off topic, if you want to get all emotional, i may be inclined to give you a shoulder to cry on. PM me and keep it off the thread. Theres a religion to destroy and i dont want anything in the way.

Would you like it if i used the green lantern? How about Korusaki Ichigo ? The comparison is simply accurate and the argument is too powerfull, which is why no one has been able to even attempt to dislodge it, not even a single counterpoint.

And stop inflating Zhavrics ego, he doesnt need it.

P.S. Since crusader for christ dherehmormon took off, perhaps you could step up

How do you reconcile the fact that christian europe thought travelling to the edge of the world, they would fall off, and the sun revolved around the earth and the christians used leeches to treat many illnessess and Genesis became no longer "literal" after fossils and carbon 14 dating. as well as noahs arks, etc for all miracles in the bible with your claimed knowledge of science?

Your religion was debunked during the enlightenment, and its only gotten worse since then.

[Fangrim]

Quote by: Gaius And stop inflating Zhavrics ego, he doesnt need it.

How would YOU know about Zhavric's ego?
EDIT:

Looking at your profile:
"Join Date: Oct 1, 2007"
"42 (27.69 posts per day)"

You have been here TWO DAYS.
Even I didn't manage to catch on to how Zhavric operated until I was on here for weeks.

[Gaius]

Quote by: Fangrim How would YOU know about Zhavric's ego? EDIT: Looking at your profile: "Join Date: Oct 1, 2007" "42 (27.69 posts per day)" You have been here TWO DAYS. Even I didn't manage to catch on to how Zhavric operated until I was on here for weeks.

Not much of an atheist then are you if you couldnt figure out such things.
i guess you arent part of the atheist "in" club.
Oh well, being an atheist that believes in god does that, let me know when you shape up

Also stay on topic, take your Oprah like questions to private messages, dont spam the thread. k thx

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Gaius Not much of an atheist then are you if you couldnt figure out such things. i guess you arent part of the atheist "in" club. Oh well, being an atheist that believes in god does that, let me know when you shape up Also stay on topic, take your Oprah like questions to private messages, dont spam the thread. k thx

I guess being an atheist is like being in a fraternity?

I'm glad I'm not in one.

[Jack]

I guess being an atheist is like being in a fraternity?

And theists aren't? Sometimes it becomes a disfunctional frat.

Anyway...

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[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Gaius Take your tissues with you, o defeated christian cry baby

defeated, no.

disgusted at your blatant disregard for other people and your equally blatant refusal to read back even a single page to where I had already established the logical arguments that I am repeating once again that NOBODY HAS ANSWERED YET? Yes, I am quite disgusted at you and the rest of the people who see lead atheist monkey Zhavric arguing that Jesus didn't exist, despite the historical evidence that leads almost every history textbook to mention his existence as credible, and then repeating it. Monkey see, monkey do.

That disgusts me and is hypocritical at best.

[Chris the Chees]

Yes, I am quite disgusted at you and the rest of the people who see lead atheist monkey Zhavric arguing that Jesus didn't exist, despite the historical evidence that leads almost every history textbook to mention his existence as credible, and then repeating it.

With all due respect, few historians consider the bible to be an infallable source, for the reasons I cited earlier. Like I said, if you want to discuss the nature of sources and primary data I am happy to oblige; however I resent the insults you just threw in my, and others direction. Perhaps I am not simply a brainless "athiest monkey" simply repeating anothers line; but actually am well read in the fundermentals of this subject - possibly better than you - and have a legitimate opinion on the matter?

So on that note, lets keep this discussion civil.

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[Gaius]

Quote by: dthmstr254 defeated, no. disgusted at your blatant disregard for other people and your equally blatant refusal to read back even a single page to where I had already established the logical arguments that I am repeating once again that NOBODY HAS ANSWERED YET? Yes, I am quite disgusted at you and the rest of the people who see lead atheist monkey Zhavric arguing that Jesus didn't exist, despite the historical evidence that leads almost every history textbook to mention his existence as credible, and then repeating it. Monkey see, monkey do. That disgusts me and is hypocritical at best.

Historians do NOT cite the bible in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

NO ONE references jesus as a historical figure, NO ONE.

the best that is done, is someone named jesus was doing parlor tricks. not just one jesus, but many jesuses and they were ALL doing parlor tricks.

also these parlor tricks were not invented by this guy/guys but have been done many times before.

p.s. ishwerwood thinks helioprime is sexy

[HelioPrime]

Ban Gaius?

Keep Zhavric. He's more fun to laugh at.

[Gaius]

Quote by: HelioPrime I find my icon pic good looking too. That's not me btw... p.s. Zhavric worships Captain Kurk in his closet.

Is captain kurk one of those deistic gods i been hearing so much about?

If youre a homosexual, how do you reconcile that with christianity ?

Isherwood for example, doesnt, therefore hes an atheist.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Gaius Is captain kurk one of those deistic gods i been hearing so much about? If youre a homosexual, how do you reconcile that with christianity ? Isherwood for example, doesnt, therefore hes an atheist.

I'm not a christian but I'm not gay either. I enjoy the same sex but I would rather settle down with the opposite.

Many christian demoninations and other church groups are supportive of gays. Even allowing them to participate in the clergy.

[Matt W]

Last time for those hard of reading. Stay on-topic.

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[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Gaius Historians do NOT cite the bible in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. NO ONE references jesus as a historical figure, NO ONE.

13 different college level textbooks, used at the following schools:

Santa Fe Community College
University of FLorida
Florida State University
Cambridge University
Georgia Tech University
Duke University
University of Alabama
And still more.

I have had access to their history books. You know one things they all have in common? Jesus is stated to be a real historical figure in EVERY one of their history textbooks. Three of them have textbooks that cite the Bible when describing the culture of the Hittites and Egyptians.

Just a side note, don't use absolutes in debates. Words like never and nobody without words like almost, well...those just invite the more rational people to eat at your statements like we would a deep dish pizza. you also want to refrain from completely ignoring statements that you lack evidence. If Jesus did only do parlor tricks, then there would be no guards at the grave. Even then, detachment of Roman Guards would have been more than enough to scare off a couple badly armed and untrained fishermen from trying to steal the body, and you would also, again, have to account for the lack of response from the accused. If you were accused of killing the president, and it never happened, you would never go without a fight in court. The Pharisees are the same way. They would have written extensively about them never having crucifying Jesus, based on his never having existed. We have none of that. Answer that in your next response. It is really rude to not answer the biggest hole in your argument.

[Jack]

p.s. ishwerwood thinks helioprime is sexy

I'd appreciate it if you:
1) didn't post comments you have no knowledge of regarding other members
2) stayed on topic
3) would can the chat room banter

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[Gaius]

Quote by: dthmstr254 13 different college level textbooks, used at the following schools: Santa Fe Community College University of FLorida Florida State University Cambridge University Georgia Tech University Duke University University of Alabama And still more. .

name of the history text books mentioning jesus?

You do not know the anger that will be unleashed if you mention biblical history books.

i went ahead and searched and came up with this. sweet jesus, the book uses the gospels as the source. you fail again!

FSU professor documents Christianity's history of healing

Romans wont always care to guard the grave of some two bit conman doing parlor tricks.

jesus never existed, historians do not cite jesus or reference him, those that do, ASSUME he existed, AND they are not claiming he lived or introduce jesus as just another god man some say lived. Unlike actual historical figures.

History books from the 21st century talking about jesus ! Proof jesus existed in 20 AD !!!

Did Jesus exist?

The Pharisees are the same way. They would have written extensively about them never having crucifying Jesus, based on his never having existed. We have none of that. Answer that in your next response. It is really rude to not answer the biggest hole in your argument.

The bloody hell are you talking about?

What makes more sense. They DIDNT write about him because they DIDNT crucify him, or they DIDNT write about him because hes a nobody or never existed?

Jesus at the time, was a nobody, NO HISTORIAN AT THE TIME wrote anything about jesus, which means he was just another parlor magician or he never existed.

Even if they did write about him, unless they specifically mentioned the guy who did miracles got crucified today, im not interested.

Quote by: HelioPrime Ban Gaius? Keep Zhavric. He's more fun to laugh at.

Please, the idea that a mental munchkin such as yourself could "laugh at" someone who breaks your arguments over their knee is laughable

p.s. I think helioprimes avatar is dead sexy and im not even gay

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Gaius jesus never existed, historians do not cite jesus or reference him, those that do, ASSUME he existed, AND they are not claiming he lived or introduce jesus as just another god man some say lived. Unlike actual historical figures.

How much of the writtings from 0-20AD survive today? My current textboook cites that we only possess some estimated 3% of writtings that predated the dark ages yet still survived.

Quote by: Gaius Please, the idea that a mental munchkin such as yourself could "laugh at" someone who breaks your arguments over their knee is laughable

Your argument is the same dependency on logic that you throw around in every post. The assumpion negative that god or gods can't exist unless proven otherwise. It doesn't make you any less fanatically wrong.

[Zhavric]

Between going off-topic, dthm placing me on ignore after he couldn't deal with my arguments and now ODN's reject, Gaius trolling through it, I'd say it's a done deal. There's really nothing more to discuss here that hasn't been disproven in the first frew pages of the thread. There simply is no sound evidence for the existence of what Christians refer to as the historical Jesus. It's only by introducing a whole new set of rules that Christians can convince themselves the godman existed.

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