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Nathan Struth · Nov 14, 2006, 01:17 pm

Are we ready yet to get rid of the concept of god, yet keep morals that inspire charity, love, and tolerance?:) I don't think so.

dreamer · Nov 14, 2006, 01:50 pm

I beleave that religion is bad for use all, it guides use to a life off follow my leader and do as your told or else you will die for your sins. I say religion throw it down a deep hole and never look back thats were it belongs in a deep black hole to be forgot for ever, relgion who wants it, not me its dangers.

Dreamer

Simmons112358 · Nov 14, 2006, 02:15 pm

Religion does nothing of the kind, it influences your life but does not demand total control. It is simply a system of beliefs that affect how a person lives his or her life. No one tells you what to do. That's your choice, ultimately. Religion just gives your life more focus.

lsbskins1 · Nov 14, 2006, 02:22 pm

It is my belief that humans will never cease to need "religion". It answers a need for answers to unanswered questions and fullfills (in abstact) the need for some final justice. Even if you never see the better world, faith lets you believe in it's inevitability. So, I don't expect the majority of humans will ever give it up. Hell, I don't believe it but sort of envy the people who do. It has to be very comforting to think you "know".

brien · Nov 14, 2006, 02:29 pm

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Are we ready yet to get rid of the concept of god, yet keep morals that inspire charity, love, and tolerance?:) I don't think so.

Are "we" ready to get rid of the concept of god???

Who are we???

And if "we" get rid of god, then I have to ask: who are "we" to tell another what to believe or not to believe?

Somewhere in the Constitution of the US, I believe we are free to believe anything we wish in our lives when it comes to the concepts of religion.

iahag · Nov 14, 2006, 02:56 pm

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Somewhere in the Constitution of the US, I believe we are free to believe anything we wish in our lives when it comes to the concepts of religion.

yep, i think in some instances you lose that right as well.

brien · Nov 14, 2006, 03:44 pm

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yep, i think in some instances you lose that right as well.

Please, name some.

jd420 · Nov 14, 2006, 06:15 pm

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Are we ready yet to get rid of the concept of god, yet keep morals that inspire charity, love, and tolerance?

Seeing as the last several thousand years, to the present day, have consisted of getting rid of ethics that inspire charity, love, and tolerance, while keeping the concept of God...

...I'd say your proposal would be a welcome change.

iahag · Nov 14, 2006, 06:24 pm

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Please, name some.

I cant quote the source directly, but I remember reading about some reform (for drugs or something) program issued by the government which is christian based.

McAiden · Nov 14, 2006, 06:58 pm

Some people think that's why we are fighting this war, to remain having the right to live with or without religion.

Poseidon · Nov 14, 2006, 07:56 pm

somethimes is easier to think in relligion as a philosophy than as something spiritual, there are many teachings in the bible that inspire enligtement or how being a better person so if people do not belive in good they can still follow their teachings as a phiosophy. my opinion,

ItsDarts · Nov 15, 2006, 01:16 pm

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Religion does nothing of the kind, it influences your life but does not demand total control.

This is entirely dependent on what religion we are talking about, Islam is the complete submission to god. Christianity is the surrender to god IF you want to follow the teachings of Christ. Both these religions have restrictions on the physical senses that to follow either would be restricting what comes naturally to us... Pleasure.

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It is simply a system of beliefs that affect how a person lives his or her life. No one tells you what to do. That's your choice, ultimately. Religion just gives your life more focus.

Please explain how religion gives your life more "focus". Focus on what? More focus than what? I would say it gives you an alternative focus, not "more focus". Nothing about religion says you are any more focused than the person without religion. I don't need religion to tell me that helping my fellow man is good, and stealing from him is bad. I don't need religion to tell me to do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. I can do these things without the need for religion, it really doesn't take a whole lot of focus to do so actually. Would you not agree that it's better to focus on the here and now where you can be of more value than to focus on some afterlife that you have no clue if it exists? Are you now focusing (betting really) on something/someone/somewhere all of which there is no evidence of existence? Seems that religion, deep down, focuses on the wrong things. Sure they teach you to help your neighbors and what not, but that isn't ALL they teach. They indirectly teach intolerance while preaching tolerance.

Is the world ready to be done with religion? Nope, not in our life time but we can only do what the religious people do and hope it will happen. I've never been a big Beatles fan but one song has always stuck with me... IMAGINE, by John Lennon.

Rainbow · Nov 16, 2006, 01:51 am

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Are we ready yet to get rid of the concept of god, yet keep morals that inspire charity, love, and tolerance?:) I don't think so.

It depends of what God is taken for.
Why should I get rid of God ?

Osborn F Enready · Nov 16, 2006, 05:11 am

Intellectual honesty is more important to me than any "standardized" form of morals.

Religion I discarded years ago.

samsara15 · Nov 17, 2006, 10:09 am

How can we get rid of what isn't there, what doesn't exist? Buddhism has already more or less done away with God, but has retained morality. Unitarians have pretty much done away with God, but still retain morality.

Fonceai · Nov 17, 2006, 10:21 am

Buddhism really doesn't have anything to do with morality, though.

If you really think about it, Buddhism just teaches concepts of balance and consequence. It doesn't tell you what's right and wrong, it just tells you that nothing goes "unnoticed" by the universe.

I think that's a more effective lesson to teach. Let people judge themselves but teach them to be aware that there are always going to be consequences.

ItsDarts · Nov 17, 2006, 01:21 pm

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How can we get rid of what isn't there, what doesn't exist? Buddhism has already more or less done away with God, but has retained morality. Unitarians have pretty much done away with God, but still retain morality.

Good point but Universal Unitarianism (assuming this is what you meant) is A religious association of Christian origin that has no official creed and that considers God to be unipersonal (Not Triune), salvation to be granted to the entire human race, and reason and conscience to be the criteria for belief and practice. So there is still a god and the need for "salvation". Maybe Humanism is the answer? Who knows?

Nov 14, 2006, 01:17 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	Are we ready to get rid of religion but keep morality? Are we ready yet to get rid of the concept of god, yet keep morals that inspire charity, love, and tolerance?:) I don't think so. I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Nov 14, 2006, 02:22 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
lsbskins1 Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,564	It is my belief that humans will never cease to need "religion". It answers a need for answers to unanswered questions and fullfills (in abstact) the need for some final justice. Even if you never see the better world, faith lets you believe in it's inevitability. So, I don't expect the majority of humans will ever give it up. Hell, I don't believe it but sort of envy the people who do. It has to be very comforting to think you "know". All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay

Nov 14, 2006, 07:56 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Poseidon Migthy Wave Posts: 30	somethimes is easier to think in relligion as a philosophy than as something spiritual, there are many teachings in the bible that inspire enligtement or how being a better person so if people do not belive in good they can still follow their teachings as a phiosophy. my opinion, *You may call me a Noob since I am young, my bocabulary is still growing, please bare with me*

Nov 16, 2006, 05:11 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,922	Intellectual honesty is more important to me than any "standardized" form of morals. Religion I discarded years ago. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Nov 17, 2006, 10:09 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 I'm the camel Location: Maryland Posts: 657	How can we get rid of what isn't there, what doesn't exist? Buddhism has already more or less done away with God, but has retained morality. Unitarians have pretty much done away with God, but still retain morality. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97

Nov 14, 2006, 01:50 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
dreamer Igneous Magma Posts: 683	I beleave that religion is bad for use all, it guides use to a life off follow my leader and do as your told or else you will die for your sins. I say religion throw it down a deep hole and never look back thats were it belongs in a deep black hole to be forgot for ever, relgion who wants it, not me its dangers. Dreamer

Nov 14, 2006, 02:15 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Simmons112358 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	Religion does nothing of the kind, it influences your life but does not demand total control. It is simply a system of beliefs that affect how a person lives his or her life. No one tells you what to do. That's your choice, ultimately. Religion just gives your life more focus.

Nov 14, 2006, 06:58 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
McAiden Igneous Magma Location: In the hot state Posts: 191	Some people think that's why we are fighting this war, to remain having the right to live with or without religion.

Nov 17, 2006, 10:21 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Buddhism really doesn't have anything to do with morality, though. If you really think about it, Buddhism just teaches concepts of balance and consequence. It doesn't tell you what's right and wrong, it just tells you that nothing goes "unnoticed" by the universe. I think that's a more effective lesson to teach. Let people judge themselves but teach them to be aware that there are always going to be consequences.