Divine Math

[Athena]

The first person to call himself a philosopher was Pythagoras. He didn't study anything but math, so what does math have to do with knowing truth? His mathematical equations were about nothing but thinking. It was hundreds of years later when it was realized to what degree equations match our physical reality.

Fibonacci was a mathematician in the Middle Ages. His math and the power of 5, falls in the power of regeneration. Mayans speak of 13 powers, the book "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" speaks of only 10. My point is to know truth we need to think of numbers differently.

"We now arrive at the mathematical middle of our journey to ten to dwell with the principles symbolized by the number five, which the Greek philosophers called pentad. Beyond the Monad's point, the Dyads line, the Triad's surface and the Tetrad's three-dimensional volume, what remains? The Pentad represents a new level of cosmic design; the introduction of life itself." From "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider.

Rather than thinking in terms of numbers or integers. Think of these things we call numbers, as gods with specific powers, because now you can understand all of life. The Golden Mean comes from math, as stands for more than math.

Historical names of the Golden Mean:
Plato....the section
Euclid... the extreme and mean ratio
Romans...aurea sectio (golden section)
Luca Pacioli... the divine proportion
Christopher Clavius...Godlike proportion
Johannes Kepler..the divine section
Johann F. Lorertz...the continued division
J. Leslie...the medial section
Adolf Zeising...the golden cut
Mark Barr... (I) (phi) a possible correction, the discovery of an ancient document credits Archemedes

Anyway it was through math and then developing sciences, that some came to the belief that by studying nature we can discover God. So my friends if you are serious about philosophy, math should be included in your study. This has everything to do with democracy. The idea that we can know truth and govern ourselves.

[Right of Center]

???? I'm confused. Studying math is going to help us make tough democratic decisions. We are going to develop divinity with math? Could you be more clear?

[zynner]

Quote by: Right of Center Could you be more clear?

That's an interesting question.

~ zynner

[RickSp]

Seems clear enough to me. The observance of order in nature is critical to the development of civilization. Order in the universe can imply order in society.

The Hellenic tradition of studing the natural patterns that appear in nature, in many respects foreshadows both the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. The Golden Mean was critical to the development of perspective drawing and the architecture. The Fibonnacci series suddenly appears throughout the natural world.

The implict assumption from Pythagoras that nature can be divined through mathematics in some respects made Newton's work possible. And Newton's stunningly simple equations that accurately predicted the movement of the entire universe were critical to the entire concept of natural law. If the actions of gravity across the entire universe could be predicted with a simple equation, could not the laws of men be established as rationally?

The problem with the Enlightenment is that if nature is a predicatable clockwork understood through reason, each individual can explore divinity for himself. It robs the church and the priests of all power. Indeed, many of the leaders of the Enlightenment were diests, who some might suggest diminished the concept of God itself through reason. This is the reason that mystics often hate math. It robs them of their power.

[Athena]

Quote by: Right of Center ???? I'm confused. Studying math is going to help us make tough democratic decisions. We are going to develop divinity with math? Could you be more clear?

I don't know how to be more clear. The concept that goes with democracy, is the belief that we can study nature and discover universal truths (God), and with this knowledge govern ourselves.

"True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of
universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons
to duty by its commands, and averts from wrong doing by its
prohibitions. And it does not lay its commands or
prohibitions upon good men in vain, though neither have any
effect on the wicked. It is a sin to try to alter this law,
nor is it allowable to attempt to repeal any part of it, and it
is impossible to abolish it entirely. We cannot be freed
from its obligations by senate or people, and we need not
look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it.
And there will not be different laws at Rome and at Athens,
or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal
and unchangeable law will be valued for all nations and all
times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is, God,
over us all, for he is the author of this law, its
promulgator, and its enforcing judge.
Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying
his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will
suffer the worst penalties, even if he escapes what is
commonly considered punishment." Cicero

"True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of
universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons
to duty by its commands, and averts from wrong doing by its
prohibitions".

This is math. It is thinking that begins with Pythagoras. Following the crusades when crusaders brought back the Greek and Rome documents, perserved by the Abrabs and their development of math, we moved out of the Dark Ages, into the Age of Reason. Building on this past knowledge, Newton once again lead us to the realization that the universe is ordered, and what followed was the rebirth of democracy. This thinking has always preceeded democracy. This is the distinction between democracy, and autocracies that rely on religion for defining reality. Math is divine because with it we can discover universal laws, that is God, by studying nature. We can not do this with holy books.

[Athena]

Quote by: RickSp Seems clear enough to me. The observance of order in nature is critical to the development of civilization. Order in the universe can imply order in society. The Hellenic tradition of studing the natural patterns that appear in nature, in many respects foreshadows both the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. The Golden Mean was critical to the development of perspective drawing and the architecture. The Fibonnacci series suddenly appears throughout the natural world. The implict assumption from Pythagoras that nature can be divined through mathematics in some respects made Newton's work possible. And Newton's stunningly simple equations that accurately predicted the movement of the entire universe were critical to the entire concept of natural law. If the actions of gravity across the entire universe could be predicted with a simple equation, could not the laws of men be established as rationally? The problem with the Enlightenment is that if nature is a predicatable clockwork understood through reason, each individual can explore divinity for himself. It robs the church and the priests of all power. Indeed, many of the leaders of the Enlightenment were diests, who some might suggest diminished the concept of God itself through reason. This is the reason that mystics often hate math. It robs them of their power.

Thank goodness someone who can articulate this better than I can! I am so thankful for your knowledge and ability to articulate it so well. Thank you, thank you, thank you :)

[WakeTFU]

I own a killer book on numerology called 'Numerology and the Divine triangle' by some chick devoted her life to making sense of it. I forget the name of her...she must be boring or someting.

[Fonceai]

@Athena

I studied this concept a lot for roughly 6 months.

The conclusion I came to, my personal conclusion, was that the presence of such clear and definitive math in nature couldn't just be a coincidence. To me, it was evidence of intelligent design on the very basic level where some entity established the basic formulas and constants and then just let things run.

Granted, it's also possible that if the very beginnings of the universe aligned to certain constants then it's no surprise that those constants repeat themselves as complexity increases.

All in all, 6 months was enough time to learn not to overthink it. I enjoy looking at things and seeing the presence of mathematical concepts. I don't go much beyond that because I choose not to.

I find beauty in both the aesthetics and mathematics of things, and that's as far as I go.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Athena Thank goodness someone who can articulate this better than I can! I am so thankful for your knowledge and ability to articulate it so well. Thank you, thank you, thank you :)

I thought you did a fine job. I just elaborated a bit.

[Athena]

Quote by: Fonceai @Athena I studied this concept a lot for roughly 6 months. The conclusion I came to, my personal conclusion, was that the presence of such clear and definitive math in nature couldn't just be a coincidence. To me, it was evidence of intelligent design on the very basic level where some entity established the basic formulas and constants and then just let things run. Granted, it's also possible that if the very beginnings of the universe aligned to certain constants then it's no surprise that those constants repeat themselves as complexity increases. All in all, 6 months was enough time to learn not to overthink it. I enjoy looking at things and seeing the presence of mathematical concepts. I don't go much beyond that because I choose not to. I find beauty in both the aesthetics and mathematics of things, and that's as far as I go.

Excellant! the importance is that you studied enough to internalize authority on the subject matter. I don't know we are respecting enough this matter of who has authority and how it is achieved.

In a democracy where there is government of the people, by the people, for the people. The people must be well educated or they are governed by fools, just some argue is the flaw of democracy. Liberal education attempted to prepare all students for civic and industrial leadership. The goal of a democracy is to enable the most people to give their best contribution. However, look at this....

The New World Order, in not the New Social Order our democracy set out to be. The New Social Order was manifest through liberal education for well rounded individual development. Education for technology, the New World Order education for technology for military and industrial purpose, specializes people and restricts each to his/her area of specialty. Individual development is not well rounded and authority is not generalized. The individual becomes an authority of one specialty and no more, forcing the masses to rely on authority over them. This is excellent for the rapid advancement of technology, but it is disasterous to democracy and the power of the people, who are neither united, there become powerless, nor are they aware of more than the own individual little realms of personal self interest.

That is, they do not have the internalized authority for self government, and can not advancement their civilization. They have only separate opinions and self interest, making them easy pons in the hands those who know what to do with such pons, as they establish the power of the New World Order for their own self interest, exploiting the pons for this purposes. We stand to loose our democracy if we maintain these conditons.

[Fonceai]

@Athena

Thanks. And I understand what you're saying about people who take it upon themselves to learn about a topic.

I also understand your excitement.

But what do you have to say about Divine Math?

[Athena]

Divine math is, understanding math is more than malnipulating numbers. There are qualities for each number that are special to each number.

Right now folks are working on a computer program that will have 3 choices. Right now the programs are a series of off/on switches. When there is a third choice, there will be almost finite possibilities in what can be achieved with a computer.

A stool with two legs will not be stable, but a stool with 3 legs is stable.

We live in 3 dimension height, width and length.

Combinations of three things: buyer, seller, money is commerce.
male, female, sex is reproduction
water, flour, fire is bread
negative, positive, wire is electric circuit

Number 4 gives us substance
Number 5 is regeneration
Number 6 is structure and function-order

This is far from a full explanation, which requires a book. Briefly, if we think of this numbers, not as integers, but as mystical mathematical powers that explain the universe, we have define math. Studing this will tell us more about God than studying the bible.

[Fonceai]

@Athena

Can you suggest some more reading material on this?

I know about looking to create computers that use a trinary foundation, but it's difficult. Electromagnetism itself aided in the use of binary.

Other than that, I find the qualities of numbers very interesting.

Just go from 1 to 9.

Then figure out the set of rules to tell if any number is divisible by any of the single digit numbers. It's very interesting.

In fact, if anyone cares to, I'd be curious to be PM'd them all.

For example... a number is divisible by 3 if you continue to add the digits of the number, and the sums, until you get a multiple of 3.

6 if it's divisible by 3 and even.

9 if the sum of the digits is 9.

[wil.c]

Numbers compose life, as been said, but geometry gives life to those numbers. The numbers that solely act as variables in any branch of math are left worthless if not given a special meaning, without that meaning math would be just math and nothing else. Base of creation is left to unseen shapes with familiar proportions, which then allows it to relate itself to the bigger picture. Basically, micro and macro cosmos easily correlate. Math is easily the missing link between creationism and evolution, but understanding why is difficult.
Personally, I’m reading into sacred geometry and so far phi is the base of unity. But then again, I’m left confused half the time and end up starting again in trying to figure out how math truly relates itself to everything because in the end, everything has a number.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: wil.c trying to figure out how math truly relates itself to everything

Other way around.

Everything, at its core, is math.

Most of my work in college was with using math for all sorts of things. Sociology, psychology, you name it.

A lot of my posts on some topics deal with expressing concept using simple math.

That's the nice thing about math; the more you get into it, the simpler you see that things become.

[wil.c]

Quote by: Fonceai Other way around. Everything, at its core, is math. Most of my work in college was with using math for all sorts of things. Sociology, psychology, you name it. A lot of my posts on some topics deal with expressing concept using simple math. That's the nice thing about math; the more you get into it, the simpler you see that things become.

I see.