Ban The Bible

[Jack]

for us to advocate banning the Bible would mean that we agree that it is bad.

You're not thinking deviously enough.
Of course you don't want to be obvious. There are a thousand ways to accomplish a task without leaving a trail. It's the end result you should focus on, not the means of accomplishing it. The way it's done is just the ugly little reality that underlies so many human activities, like democracy.

[Merlov01]

If we take hate-crimes seriously, including banning 'literature' that incites, or at least includes, hatred, genocide and terrorism(which is banned in the UK since 2005) then the first book to be banned would be The Bible.

It's got so much hate, genocide, terrorism and the glorification of them that it's worse than Mein Kamf. Kamf is about Hilter's hopes, The Bible details all sorts of horrible things, they're glorified with 'God' commanding otyhers to be committed by "the faithful of the future". Etc.

[shield772]

Quote by: Isherwood Wait a minute. Shouldn't the christians be in favor of banning the bible? I'm no PR man, but I have worked with HUMINT before. I understand human motivations. Banning anything immediately increases that item's value and adds an aura of credibility to it. People want what they can't have. The forbidden fruit. Yada yada. In addition, christians would finally gain a little credibility with their claims of persecution if you were to ban their holy book. All the way around it would be a positive development for the christian faith if the bible were to be banned. Not to mention that we don't even posses a legal infrastructure in the U.S. capable of enforcing a ban nationwide.

As previously mentioned it is banned in public schools, so there is your network and there is your persecution, lets not leave out every story and documentary that attempts to hurt christianity, ever wacko in this country that ever went to church is called a chrisitan extremist, so there is plenty of persecution to go around.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: shield772 As previously mentioned it is banned in public schools, so there is your network and there is your persecution, lets not leave out every story and documentary that attempts to hurt christianity, ever wacko in this country that ever went to church is called a chrisitan extremist, so there is plenty of persecution to go around.

The question then would arise that the same principle would apply to x rated movies and pronography. If you keep it away from your kid by not having it in the house - it becomes an attractive taboo and so that would insure the kid would become a prono-addict. And so forth.

Being persecuted for being a smut dealier or a arms dealer or a dealer of drugs is not a bad of honor. So why would it be any different for Christians or for those who follow the koran? (or Harry Potter for that matter). Or for Witches and savages (shamen)?

Needless to say the persecution of witches and others by Christians was once a common behavior trate, and so reaping what you sew is part of the game plan?

I am not in favor of the persecution of Christians and state that so that folks will not twist my topic into what it is not. A book, which the Bible is, cannot be persecuted because it is a thing, not a person or other life form. It is not a "living thing" even if some churches say so. It is the "dead letter of the law" that Jesus warned us about.

As I noted before, I am not in favor of the government banning the bible in a legal way and I am for freedom of speech. I would not frown upon people who teach kids about a belief in Santa or that Santa is make-believe, and if they do likewise with "the bibilcal Saints" then that is their right. So be it.

This is not a topic about freedom of religion or your rights as a Christian believer. What I am saying is that some parts of the Bible teach violence and that such is okay, and other parts teach kids that normal sexual feeling and behavior is wrong, and such morality if not properly comprehended can lead to useless guilt and a life where sex becomes a big problem.

Bible thumpers seem not to comprehend any of this reasoning, nor why the Good Book is not so good as a teaching source for youngsters. Just like a drug user cannot comprehend why everyone else should not get high also, it becomes a mission for them to spread it around.

We really need to face a few facts about this in order to change reality from another dark age into a age of enlightenment. Awake, awake, awake.

[jamesbdunn]

The original stone tablets of the Ten Commandments is the ONLY legitimate Bible. All texts written by man since then are exactly what the Ten Commandments said they would be, vial.

You shall have no other gods before Me & You shall not make for yourself an idol. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God.

So what happens, people write for themselves the Bible, Kuran, and a variety of other texts to idolize. Leading people to believe that they will be forgiven for doing vial acts against the Ten Commandments.

In EVERY publication since the stone tablets, PEOPLE have sought to gain reverence by other people. ALL Priests, Rabis, Prophets, Preachers, and other persons and texts that admonish the Lord and God in service of their own desires, are in FACT purveyors of works AGAINST the original stone tablets. A person can neither add to nor subtract from the words of the stone tablets without deviating from the words of God. The stone tablets are the basis for the most popular religions, and are the ONLY words directly transcribed by GOD. It can NOT be interpretated by any person, it can only be read by each person.

Nowhere in the stone tablets does it infer that ANY person shall listen to any other person for guidance. NO PERSON shall interpret the stone tablets for another person. To do so is to speak in the LORDS name.

Quote by: Technosoul Of course the Bible and simular writings contain some suggestions that are of value, but overall we might question if it is doing more harm then good. My opinion is that history would suggest "more harm then good". What do you think?

[senior.sexy]

As our nation moves towards rating movies and other sources of entertainment I think parents should ban the Bible from their homes for the sake of the children and the next generation, as well as any from of religious teaching that might promote or justify violence and war, in any degree. Also, parents might concider banning the Bible in their homes because it can missguide youngsters about sex and other behavior trates that are normal and healthy, creating guilts, internal conflicts, and sometimes insanity. Of course the Bible and simular writings contain some suggestions that are of value, but overall we might question if it is doing more harm then good. My opinion is that history would suggest "more harm then good". What do you think?

haha
your going to hell

[senior.sexy]

As our nation moves towards rating movies and other sources of entertainment I think parents should ban the Bible from their homes for the sake of the children and the next generation, as well as any from of religious teaching that might promote or justify violence and war, in any degree. Also, parents might concider banning the Bible in their homes because it can missguide youngsters about sex and other behavior trates that are normal and healthy, creating guilts, internal conflicts, and sometimes insanity. Of course the Bible and simular writings contain some suggestions that are of value, but overall we might question if it is doing more harm then good. My opinion is that history would suggest "more harm then good". What do you think?

i also think we should ban puppies
they can bite somtimes

and hampsters
there kind of irritating

oh oh
and laughter
that just gets out of hand

[Zhavric]

No book should be "banned". Prohibition doesn't work. This is proven.

We should, however, be aghast at the notion of a "Christian child" or a "Muslim child". Indoctrinating youngsters is the bread and butter of religious groups and it's sickening. The idea that a child... perhaps more than a DECADE before we trust them to drive a car... should be entrusted with such a life-altering path as religion is beyond ridiculous.

Never forget that religion (Christianity in particular) is a type of propaganda that sells a highly addictive product. It is the cure you don't need (salvation) for the disease that doesn't exist (damnation). Selling it to children is worse than selling cigarettes to children... but it's the same marketing concept: get them while they're young and you'll have lifelong brand loyalty.

Children should be raised agnostic and exposed to as many different philosophies and explanations of those philosophies as possible so they can make in informed decision when they're old enough.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Banning books would be a infringement on rights that I would deem intolerable. Did they really ban that stuff in England, Matt? that's screwed up. Any idea deserves the right to be expressed no matter how hateful it is. your feelings don't have the right not to be hurt.

[jamesbdunn]

Quote by: Technosoul Of course the Bible and simular writings contain some suggestions that are of value, but overall we might question if it is doing more harm then good. My opinion is that history would suggest "more harm then good". What do you think?

The Ten Commandments denounce the Torah, Bible, and Quran as being the works of man and not of god. So from a religious point of view this makes sense. But censuring any publication does not contribute to the mental diversity needed for ethical reasoning.

The Bible, Torah, and Quaran can be read, but people need to realize that they are the writings of men, not god, and that they are filled with the desires of men, not God.

Of course, this is just my opinion, like everyone elses here.

[Jagged]

I hate absolute radicals.

Also, parents might concider banning the Bible in their homes because it can missguide youngsters about sex and other behavior trates

Parents have the choice to decide what they want for their kids. I dont know why you would want to take that away from them, and i dont know why you think you have the right to decide whats "misguiding" or not for everybody.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

"Also, parents might concider banning the Bible in their homes because it can missguide youngsters about sex and other behavior trates that are normal and healthy, creating guilts, internal conflicts, and sometimes insanity.

Of course the Bible and simular writings contain some suggestions that are of value, but overall we might question if it is doing more harm then good.
My opinion is that history would suggest "more harm then good"."

This is exactly the same behavior that some religious folks take reagrding science. You're only perpetuating the very same belief that you oppose! You are basically forcing your beliefs onto others(well not you, but this idea does).

[brien]

So you ban one book and where does it stop? I also think this would be a violation of the 1st Amendment. People deserve choice, not an arrogant move at attempting to force others to accept or reject statist views.

I suppose people could discourage the use of the bible in another's home but people have a choice and the best one could hope for would be to engage another in persuading them to abandon the book.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Jagged I hate absolute radicals. Parents have the choice to decide what they want for their kids. I dont know why you would want to take that away from them, and i dont know why you think you have the right to decide whats "misguiding" or not for everybody.

You did not understand my O.P. message. I was advocating that parents should ban the Bible in their homes just like they would a movie or CD that contains advocations of violence or immorality. By choice and not because some policeman would knock on your door and arrest you for having it in the house, like they might do if you have child prono downloaded on your computer. Again this is not about banning the Bible from those who wish to raise their children by advocating violence and discrimination - via teaching them or reading to them the bible. The Bible mirrors real life so they will find out sooner or later unless you also ban the evening news on TV.

(not a bad idea also).

I agree that the parents should continue to have the right (legally) to guide them with any book they want to expose them too.

If you want you can give your kid a can of beer to pop open and you can all watch violent football together and shout discriminations at the other team that wears the wrong colors. Freedom and non-censorship permit such behaviorisms within the context of family entertainment.

What I am suggesting in my post is that sensible parents should ban the book for the sake of the children, so the kids can grow up favoring a better value system.

But the ban would be limited to your own house and not the homes of other people or at chruches and so forth, unless otherwise in violation of consitutional regulations (RE: public schools supported by tax money).

And parents should become better informed that the Bible teaches and advocates violence, and discrimination, as being okay when you are targeting "evil people". And such attitudes can cause hell to happen right here and now in this life.

Time to teach our kids a better value system and to scrap the ones that have made such a mess out of our world.

[Gods_Mercenary]

The vast majority of the New Testament does not contain these "immoral" things, and a good parent will guide their children through the bible, perhaps waiting till the child is older to discuss the more contraversial passages.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Technosoul Also, parents might concider banning the Bible in their homes because it can missguide youngsters about sex and other behavior trates that are normal and healthy, creating guilts, internal conflicts, and sometimes insanity.

No book creates insanity. None.

[weasel]

Quote by: Technosoul What I am suggesting in my post is that sensible parents should ban the book for the sake of the children, so the kids can grow up favoring a better value system.

Your ambiguity is remarkable. What could possibly be a better system (or environment for a child) than one in which man is encouraged to love his neighbor as himself? Heaven knows we need more selflessness in this day and age.

Quote by: Technosoul And parents should become better informed that the Bible teaches and advocates violence, and discrimination, as being okay when you are targeting "evil people". And such attitudes can cause hell to happen right here and now in this life.

Before bad mouthing a faith almost two thousand years old, I would appreciate a direct quote from the bible that proves this outrageous claim of yours. Additionally, I would like to comment that I think your confusing the bible with man's reaction to it. For instance, man is encouraged to repent of his sins and prove his repentance by doing good deeds. Even the best of Christians, however, struggle to follow such teaching on a daily basis because of our sinful nature. Likewise, there have been and continue to be people (so called "christians") who use the bible as an excuse for crimes they commit (be they murder or otherwise). This shows the corruptness of man not the word of God. Like you, I disdain such people (even more so for twisting the words of the bible, as you do in this thread). I suspect moderate Muslims have similiar feelings in relation to how extremists misuse the koran to sponser terrorism.

[Jack]

Before bad mouthing a faith almost two thousand years old, I would appreciate a direct quote from the bible that proves this outrageous claim of yours.

Would you accept quotes from the O.T., or would you maintain that those have been superseded by the N.T.?

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: phoenix_fire I think it's a moot point. My kids would have been in church for some time before they had acquired the ability (and discipline) to read the Bible. Should I ever have children, I plan to raise them in a Christian community. What is your point?

I think perhaps you should consider not teaching your kids that God is a monster who condemns nonbelievers to an eternity of torture.

God could do better than that, no matter what ancient writers believed.

[Paleface2500]

Let me ask you this. Despite the fact that we debate religion around here, I don’t think any less of anybody because of what they believe.
With that being said, what is so wrong with believing?
Whether I chose to practice theism or atheism is of no concern to anybody. So why should it matter.
Life is about finding things out for yourself and being your own judge.

I don’t think we will ever ban the bible. Whether you choose to have it present in your house is your choice, no one else’s. Do I think they should practice religion in schools or the court house? No. Do I think they should keep one in school and public libraries? Yes. Simply because we should we afforded that choice.

Theism and atheism should not be forced on anybody but, the information should be readily available should they CHOOSE to inquire about it.