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**Jack** · Nov 12, 2006, 01:26 pm

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We are here on earth to help one another in the task of getting into heaven and living for ever in the arms of Jesus crist our Lord.

How do you then account for the millions of people who have lived and died never having been exposed to the teachings of your faith? What was the purpose of their lives?

Nathan Struth · Nov 12, 2006, 05:46 pm

Life's ok.

Rengoxxy · Nov 13, 2006, 08:30 am

[I have to make a few comments here! I do not believe that statement that life just happened and we got to just live it! There is a purpose for life! It is very true that we are nothing in this universe, but we can make big changes in this world. We are the humans that make this world, and we can change the direction of where our world is going to. Do not forget that or world is big and complex enough and to understand it. We are the ones who are destroying everything! Actually, it is for just living without reason that we have destroyed that world so much that we have a global warning now. I believe that if we disappear is because of our own wish and responsibility. We are the ones that do everything wrong not others or God!
Another thing is that I do not care so much about who dies or lives, but if it does not really matter why do you eat? Why do you take care of yourself? Why do you work and protect yourself? Because living or dying does not matter???? I know that our universe is very complex, but it is true that we are here as part of something! God created us as a part of something and he is smart enough to know why!
One of the thing that is very important in life is learning! I believe that we life to learn and that is one of the most beautiful things in this life that would help us in our after life! Without learning we are dead so this might be a reason for not finding live interesting. Almighty God is the one that gave us peace and love and salvation and this are all that good things of life. We humans have messed everything up with our selfishness and stupidity of our proud heart. We are the ones that have created barriers and limits in everyone of us.
I want to help out solve world hunger, and if each of us would do it would be easier to help others.
We are here to learn that we have to learn a lot and we have to develop and improve ourselves. We are here to help each other and the life of our next generation something better and they the same to all of us and that repeats over and over.
I feel this question “does live really matters?” like depression and no purpose. I think that if one feel like this is because he/she is not doing what we are supposed to do. Wisdom, knowledge, and love is what we have to reach and understand. We should set up goals that will help us fulfill all this. Trust me! it is not easy to go to school, then to the gym, then to work, then to practice. I believe that we have to set different goals in order to be complete. When we do this we are good. If one is a parasite of some other that is not good and if so that one would not feel good. Do not steal and that includes your parents, partners and so on.
If we set up goals like “Goals in education, fitness, spiritual matters, ourselves, financially, helping others, and so on” no one of us would be wasting time. If we live we have a power that we should not waste. Your life is very important so do not waste it. If we start helping others and trying to solve problems that are priorities like world hunger, pollution, ignorance, and so on, we would be done by now. Unity and do what is good so that is why we live. As God what should we do! Please everyone should pray and we will get an answer.

agustine · Nov 13, 2006, 02:56 pm

To whomever commented "I don't believe there is any purpose to life since I believe life occurs on this planet simply because it can.." I suppose your comment to be purposeful. If live is without purpose, how then do you ascribe purpose to your comment?

Augustine

Kuldeep · Nov 14, 2006, 06:21 am

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I know that our universe is very complex, but it is true that we are here as part of something! God created us as a part of something and he is smart enough to know why!

Most of the statements are true except "God created us". To me, universe truely very complex is auto created eternally which by itself is perfect in all the respects.Therefore, can be without any difficulty be given the name GOD

The power behind the this Universe is beyond conception. This universe is that powers manifested state. The reason for the existence of you as individual is your own sweet wish and the purpose is to be happy. This happiness, as you rightly said, would be achieved by performing good actions.

Rengoxxy · Nov 14, 2006, 02:59 pm

"Most of the statements are true except "God created us". To me, universe truely very complex is auto created eternally which by itself is perfect in all the respects.Therefore, can be without any difficulty be given the name GOD"

Well, I know that most of my statements are true, but I believe in a higher source of life. Higher source that have a purpouse for us and it is not just to do right actions but to destroy our ego and selfishness. I do not accept the concept of evolution or big bang. I do not believe it because this universe is perfect, although we may think differently, it still is perfect! I agree with you in this! We are the ones that are not in harmony with our universe so whatever we do we are not smart enough to realize that there is a consequence for every action. We are not doing good so that is why everything goes wrong! Einstein discovered the basis of the atomic bomb, but he did not know that it was going to be a massive destruction weapon. Even though we have the best intention it goes wrong! Internet was meant to be a communication tool, but it is used for all the wrong purposes now! Every product that comes out to be market has a consequence in the environment and us. Every single invention, discovery, has a effect, but it seems that we have not noticed that. We have a purpouse as well as everything so the key of the universe is purpose! Without it you will be destroyed or simply would not exist! We believe that we are disconnected to this world, but we are so wrong because everything is connected and very important to each other. All the things have an order, purpose, and affects the rest. This world is so perfect that I can not support such theories that make absolutely no sense. I do not believe that nature created itself or that we came out of nowhere, or that it is because it can, or that it just accidentally happened.
This is why i believe it: I have experience myself the grace and love of God, so I cannot say that he does not exist when I have communion with him. I personally believe that OUR FATHER is in control of everything and he knows what he is doing! All what I can say is " if life has no purpose why are you here? just die then? or Why do your lungs work? Why are there trees on the face of the earth? Why animals? Why air?" These simple examples of that everything has a purpose. Nature is fulfilling its purpose perfectly? Why do not we? Do we have a purpose too!? Do you know? Well this is why our world is like it is! I am sure that our purpose is not bad. Our purpose is a very good one, but we have turned against our source, so cannot understand our purpose because we believe that we can and that we do everything (individual selfishness, ego, mother of the proud and superior believes). Better go back to the source of all perfection and goodness and sure we will find our purpose! This is what I have seen myself and I believe it! Love is the key!

McAiden · Nov 14, 2006, 07:05 pm

Where you go after your body dies depends on how you have lived, how much you have learned, how you treat others. Of course this life is important, live it the best you know how, go as far as your talents (which you have so diligently developed) take you but don't step on heads getting there because the means do not justify the end results.

Cephus · Nov 15, 2006, 02:47 am

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Where you go after your body dies depends on how you have lived, how much you have learned, how you treat others. Of course this life is important, live it the best you know how, go as far as your talents (which you have so diligently developed) take you but don't step on heads getting there because the means do not justify the end results.

You go nowhere. Your brain activity stops, your individuality ceases to be and your body goes in the ground, or up in smoke, depending on how your next of kin decides to dispose of you.

Prove otherwise.

**Jack** · Nov 15, 2006, 02:52 am

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Where you go after your body dies depends on how you have lived

Oh that's just great. It means I'll be spending eternity in New Jersey.
To avoid that damnation, I'll heartily agree with Cephus.

Osborn F Enready · Nov 16, 2006, 05:19 am

No living thing could answer this question honestly, since in order to "matter" one would have to know what is the all encompassing journey that is life.

Even living things can't clearly determine the "beginning and end" of life to mutal agreement, so the question is really subjectively open to what you perceive as life, as opposed to "right or wrong" or "yes or no".

I personally don't have a clue what resides after death, nor do I much care for what consisted of life before I can remember as pertaining to me.

For me, life is EVERYTHING, that I can tell. So yes, to me life matters more than just about anything, but only if I can live it as I see fit.

Without a choice to live as you see fit, life could be a sentence in prison or servitude depending on your perception and the use of force by others against you.

So, even though life means everything to me, I wouldn't hesitate to willfully risk its removal due to actions to protect the way of life I value.

Life and death are only one breath apart, much like pain or ecstasy, bliss or paranoia. Everything is relative to the subjective perception ,reasoning and logic of the individual. One mans pain is another pleasure, one mans junkyard anothers kingdom.

Lifes value is relative, subjective, and dependent on the individual to place their own value on it, much like their labor.

agustine · Nov 17, 2006, 05:37 pm

I assume that the question "Does life itself really matter?" matters . If life does not matter, then you have not said anything.... The question is absurd.

Augustine

worley08 · Mar 5, 2007, 04:06 pm

Life dont matter to emo kids. that is the only time it dont matter cause they are fucking retards.

Osborn F Enready · Mar 5, 2007, 05:52 pm

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augustine said:
The question is absurd.

No such thing as an absurd question, only an absurd answer.

nerd · Mar 5, 2007, 06:04 pm

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Does life realy matter to anybody?

It should matter to everyone, seeing as you beat the odds to something very special.

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Do you care what lives or dies in this world?

Family, friends, and pets. Anything deemed personal and living, I care about.

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Have we all forgot what we are here for?

Earth had the right conditions for life and evolution is keeping it going.

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what do you think life was given to use for?

This is assuming a supernatual creator exists? You use the word 'given', so I'm not sure how to take that.

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Do you think your life means anything?

We're all(Anyone like being a hermit?)insignificant as individuals, to ourselves and others. It's when you start meeting people and creating very close bonds that you find your own purpose.

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Do you think life lasts for ever?

Seventy five years is still the going rate, I believe, so that's when I think life ends.

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Do you think life ends the day you die?

Yep.

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If life does not end when you die, what do you think is next in your life?

I've always liked reincarnation; another chance to do it all over again.

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what do you as a person think life was created for?

Again, are you assuming there's a supernatural creator? The word 'created' is throwing me off.

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What do you think life is?

Your own. Make it what you want, with respect to other people.

Gods_Mercenary · Mar 5, 2007, 10:05 pm

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We're all(Anyone like being a hermit?)insignificant as individuals, to ourselves and others. It's when you start meeting people and creating very close bonds that you find your own purpose.

All of which are insignificant and just as temporary as the people we formed them with.

RickSp · Mar 5, 2007, 10:13 pm

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Oh that's just great. It means I'll be spending eternity in New Jersey.

Yo, Ish, you should be so lucky.

Nothing quite like sunset over the turnpike. Vivid shades of purple, pink, green, depending on what the refineries are belching that day. Beeeeauuuutiful.

Kuldeep · Mar 6, 2007, 01:55 am

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Well, I know that most of my statements are true, but I believe in a higher source of life. Higher source that have a purpouse for us and it is not just to do right actions but to destroy our ego and selfishness. I do not accept the concept of evolution or big bang. I do not believe it because this universe is perfect, although we may think differently, it still is perfect! I agree with you in this!

So far I am with you!

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We are the ones that are not in harmony with our universe so whatever we do we are not smart enough to realize that there is a consequence for every action. We are not doing good so that is why everything goes wrong! Einstein discovered the basis of the atomic bomb, but he did not know that it was going to be a massive destruction weapon. Even though we have the best intention it goes wrong! Internet was meant to be a communication tool, but it is used for all the wrong purposes now! Every product that comes out to be market has a consequence in the environment and us. Every single invention, discovery, has a effect, but it seems that we have not noticed that.

Now here I differ! To me we too are in harmony with the natural properties (instincts) of ego, selfishness, greed, jelaousy, emotions, love, various desires...etc which in some total can be called LIFE. As said in my earlier post the purpose of LIFE is PEACE. Therefore, the puropse of actions good or bad is satisfaction of mind. This you can apply to purpose of Einestein or the person who used the base for making destructive Atom bomb.

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We have a purpouse as well as everything so the key of the universe is purpose! Without it you will be destroyed or simply would not exist! We believe that we are disconnected to this world, but we are so wrong because everything is connected and very important to each other. All the things have an order, purpose, and affects the rest.

Yes, we have definitely a purpose to enjoy life and try to be satisfied under even unconducive environment.

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This world is so perfect that I can not support such theories that make absolutely no sense. I do not believe that nature created itself or that we came out of nowhere, or that it is because it can, or that it just accidentally happened.

World is perfect, agreed!! But, why it can not be of eternal type as a property of something beyond our conception??

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This is why i believe it: I have experience myself the grace and love of God, so I cannot say that he does not exist when I have communion with him. I personally believe that OUR FATHER is in control of everything and he knows what he is doing!

Time and again, same question comes up then WHO created FATHER? Also, who created that WHO.....so on and so forth. To remove this confusion, I think there is no creation/creator business as we understand it, but the whole universe is eternally existing and goes on and on like a perfect cycle with no begining or end. Various properties known or unknown work with definite pourpose, as you also said it.

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All what I can say is " if life has no purpose why are you here? just die then? or Why do your lungs work? Why are there trees on the face of the earth? Why animals? Why air?" These simple examples of that everything has a purpose. Nature is fulfilling its purpose perfectly?

I put it as various properties of universe, earth and its life!!!!

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Why do not we? Do we have a purpose too!? Do you know? Well this is why our world is like it is! I am sure that our purpose is not bad. Our purpose is a very good one, but we have turned against our source, so cannot understand our purpose because we believe that we can and that we do everything (individual selfishness, ego, mother of the proud and superior believes). Better go back to the source of all perfection and goodness and sure we will find our purpose! This is what I have seen myself and I believe it! Love is the key!

Lastly I am also not agreeing with you!! Even bad actions pointed out by you, are outcome of our own nature (properties of human mind) in perfectly balanced manner:eek:

Technosoul · Mar 6, 2007, 03:32 am

I saw the film at last when it was aired on Discovery channel. The film was well done and well documented with details. There is a very good chance that the film makers did in fact find the lost tomb of Jesus and his family.

I think the biblical story about Jesus arising from the grave was a vision that Mary (however they spelled it) had. She had a vision that his spirit body had returned and once she announced the news of her vision the others likewise had simular visions, such visions can seem very real. I once took part in a group vision quest and the leader called upon the goddess Diana to manifest and sure enough about 5 women in our group saw her spirit physically manifesting, so they believed. I personallhy was too skeptical to see anything at all. But the experience led me to believe that such visions can be very real to those who are into that sort of thing. Later on when the books were written the vision was related as a real event because for them it seemed to be that way.

She might have gone to the cave where he was first put, right after he was removed to be relocated where the film makers found the lost tomb. Seeing the empty grave she then had a vision of Jesus on the trial. Lots of people see the ghosts of loved ones who have parted form this world, in their kitchen or whatever. It is rather common.

Zinkovich · Mar 6, 2007, 03:48 am

Even eternity does not inject meaning into existence- I wish people would keep this in mind when bringing metaphysical comments into the fray.

That said, I believed meaning can be objectively realised for the indivudal by meeting certain set potentials for oneself. So yes, there is at least one kind of "meaning in life"- the human one.

Kuldeep · Mar 6, 2007, 04:15 am

Yes, I agree with you such things do happen Phsychatarists put it mental illusion, hallucinations and what not!!!!

You narrated film or historical saying of say 2000 years. Here in, I am giving you factual story:

1. Just,100 years a ago, there has been a saint in our locality in Srinagar Kashmir, India; who told his deciples that his group about thirty in number, would visit to Kumb Festival in Hardwar (U.P) about 800 km away in one particular year. The desciples were very happy and started making preparations for the journey months before since, journey itself would take a month or two on foot/horses. Days passed by and Festival approached
near but, the Saint did not talk about starting of the journey. Finally all the desciples thought the Saint has made fool of them.

Just the previous night of Festival, all the desciples had the same dream as if they were present in the Festival along with the Saint. When they narrated this dream to the Saint; he smiled and said,"It was not a dream. In reality I had taken all of you with body to the Festival and taken back. Lest you may not believe One of your member is left there for a proof. He would coming on foot later on." To their surprise exactly same person was not with them about whom the saint had mentioned.

How can science explain such a miracle???

Nov 12, 2006, 05:46 pm	#42 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	Life's ok. I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Nov 13, 2006, 08:30 am	#43 (permalink) (top)
Rengoxxy Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	At Least Read It [I have to make a few comments here! I do not believe that statement that life just happened and we got to just live it! There is a purpose for life! It is very true that we are nothing in this universe, but we can make big changes in this world. We are the humans that make this world, and we can change the direction of where our world is going to. Do not forget that or world is big and complex enough and to understand it. We are the ones who are destroying everything! Actually, it is for just living without reason that we have destroyed that world so much that we have a global warning now. I believe that if we disappear is because of our own wish and responsibility. We are the ones that do everything wrong not others or God! Another thing is that I do not care so much about who dies or lives, but if it does not really matter why do you eat? Why do you take care of yourself? Why do you work and protect yourself? Because living or dying does not matter???? I know that our universe is very complex, but it is true that we are here as part of something! God created us as a part of something and he is smart enough to know why! One of the thing that is very important in life is learning! I believe that we life to learn and that is one of the most beautiful things in this life that would help us in our after life! Without learning we are dead so this might be a reason for not finding live interesting. Almighty God is the one that gave us peace and love and salvation and this are all that good things of life. We humans have messed everything up with our selfishness and stupidity of our proud heart. We are the ones that have created barriers and limits in everyone of us. I want to help out solve world hunger, and if each of us would do it would be easier to help others. We are here to learn that we have to learn a lot and we have to develop and improve ourselves. We are here to help each other and the life of our next generation something better and they the same to all of us and that repeats over and over. I feel this question “does live really matters?” like depression and no purpose. I think that if one feel like this is because he/she is not doing what we are supposed to do. Wisdom, knowledge, and love is what we have to reach and understand. We should set up goals that will help us fulfill all this. Trust me! it is not easy to go to school, then to the gym, then to work, then to practice. I believe that we have to set different goals in order to be complete. When we do this we are good. If one is a parasite of some other that is not good and if so that one would not feel good. Do not steal and that includes your parents, partners and so on. If we set up goals like “Goals in education, fitness, spiritual matters, ourselves, financially, helping others, and so on” no one of us would be wasting time. If we live we have a power that we should not waste. Your life is very important so do not waste it. If we start helping others and trying to solve problems that are priorities like world hunger, pollution, ignorance, and so on, we would be done by now. Unity and do what is good so that is why we live. As God what should we do! Please everyone should pray and we will get an answer.

Nov 14, 2006, 02:59 pm	#46 (permalink) (top)
Rengoxxy Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	For you my friend Kuldeep! "Most of the statements are true except "God created us". To me, universe truely very complex is auto created eternally which by itself is perfect in all the respects.Therefore, can be without any difficulty be given the name GOD" Well, I know that most of my statements are true, but I believe in a higher source of life. Higher source that have a purpouse for us and it is not just to do right actions but to destroy our ego and selfishness. I do not accept the concept of evolution or big bang. I do not believe it because this universe is perfect, although we may think differently, it still is perfect! I agree with you in this! We are the ones that are not in harmony with our universe so whatever we do we are not smart enough to realize that there is a consequence for every action. We are not doing good so that is why everything goes wrong! Einstein discovered the basis of the atomic bomb, but he did not know that it was going to be a massive destruction weapon. Even though we have the best intention it goes wrong! Internet was meant to be a communication tool, but it is used for all the wrong purposes now! Every product that comes out to be market has a consequence in the environment and us. Every single invention, discovery, has a effect, but it seems that we have not noticed that. We have a purpouse as well as everything so the key of the universe is purpose! Without it you will be destroyed or simply would not exist! We believe that we are disconnected to this world, but we are so wrong because everything is connected and very important to each other. All the things have an order, purpose, and affects the rest. This world is so perfect that I can not support such theories that make absolutely no sense. I do not believe that nature created itself or that we came out of nowhere, or that it is because it can, or that it just accidentally happened. This is why i believe it: I have experience myself the grace and love of God, so I cannot say that he does not exist when I have communion with him. I personally believe that OUR FATHER is in control of everything and he knows what he is doing! All what I can say is " if life has no purpose why are you here? just die then? or Why do your lungs work? Why are there trees on the face of the earth? Why animals? Why air?" These simple examples of that everything has a purpose. Nature is fulfilling its purpose perfectly? Why do not we? Do we have a purpose too!? Do you know? Well this is why our world is like it is! I am sure that our purpose is not bad. Our purpose is a very good one, but we have turned against our source, so cannot understand our purpose because we believe that we can and that we do everything (individual selfishness, ego, mother of the proud and superior believes). Better go back to the source of all perfection and goodness and sure we will find our purpose! This is what I have seen myself and I believe it! Love is the key!

Nov 16, 2006, 05:19 am	#50 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,922	No living thing could answer this question honestly, since in order to "matter" one would have to know what is the all encompassing journey that is life. Even living things can't clearly determine the "beginning and end" of life to mutal agreement, so the question is really subjectively open to what you perceive as life, as opposed to "right or wrong" or "yes or no". I personally don't have a clue what resides after death, nor do I much care for what consisted of life before I can remember as pertaining to me. For me, life is EVERYTHING, that I can tell. So yes, to me life matters more than just about anything, but only if I can live it as I see fit. Without a choice to live as you see fit, life could be a sentence in prison or servitude depending on your perception and the use of force by others against you. So, even though life means everything to me, I wouldn't hesitate to willfully risk its removal due to actions to protect the way of life I value. Life and death are only one breath apart, much like pain or ecstasy, bliss or paranoia. Everything is relative to the subjective perception ,reasoning and logic of the individual. One mans pain is another pleasure, one mans junkyard anothers kingdom. Lifes value is relative, subjective, and dependent on the individual to place their own value on it, much like their labor. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Mar 6, 2007, 03:48 am	#59 (permalink) (top)
Zinkovich Possibly edible? Posts: 783	Even eternity does not inject meaning into existence- I wish people would keep this in mind when bringing metaphysical comments into the fray. That said, I believed meaning can be objectively realised for the indivudal by meeting certain set potentials for oneself. So yes, there is at least one kind of "meaning in life"- the human one. Side effects may include gastrointestinal homicide, theft of luck, apocalyptic hallucinations, and demonic possession. Please do not soak in milk as doing so will result in death.

Nov 13, 2006, 02:56 pm	#44 (permalink) (top)
agustine Theist & Philosopher Location: Boston Posts: 142	To whomever commented "I don't believe there is any purpose to life since I believe life occurs on this planet simply because it can.." I suppose your comment to be purposeful. If live is without purpose, how then do you ascribe purpose to your comment? Augustine

Nov 14, 2006, 07:05 pm	#47 (permalink) (top)
McAiden Igneous Magma Location: In the hot state Posts: 191	Where you go after your body dies depends on how you have lived, how much you have learned, how you treat others. Of course this life is important, live it the best you know how, go as far as your talents (which you have so diligently developed) take you but don't step on heads getting there because the means do not justify the end results.

Nov 17, 2006, 05:37 pm	#51 (permalink) (top)
agustine Theist & Philosopher Location: Boston Posts: 142	I assume that the question "Does life itself really matter?" matters . If life does not matter, then you have not said anything.... The question is absurd. Augustine

Mar 5, 2007, 04:06 pm	#52 (permalink) (top)
worley08 BANNED Posts: 10	Life dont matter to emo kids. that is the only time it dont matter cause they are fucking retards.

Mar 6, 2007, 03:32 am	#58 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	I saw the film at last when it was aired on Discovery channel. The film was well done and well documented with details. There is a very good chance that the film makers did in fact find the lost tomb of Jesus and his family. I think the biblical story about Jesus arising from the grave was a vision that Mary (however they spelled it) had. She had a vision that his spirit body had returned and once she announced the news of her vision the others likewise had simular visions, such visions can seem very real. I once took part in a group vision quest and the leader called upon the goddess Diana to manifest and sure enough about 5 women in our group saw her spirit physically manifesting, so they believed. I personallhy was too skeptical to see anything at all. But the experience led me to believe that such visions can be very real to those who are into that sort of thing. Later on when the books were written the vision was related as a real event because for them it seemed to be that way. She might have gone to the cave where he was first put, right after he was removed to be relocated where the film makers found the lost tomb. Seeing the empty grave she then had a vision of Jesus on the trial. Lots of people see the ghosts of loved ones who have parted form this world, in their kitchen or whatever. It is rather common.

Mar 6, 2007, 04:15 am	#60 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,721	Yes, I agree with you such things do happen Phsychatarists put it mental illusion, hallucinations and what not!!!! You narrated film or historical saying of say 2000 years. Here in, I am giving you factual story: 1. Just,100 years a ago, there has been a saint in our locality in Srinagar Kashmir, India; who told his deciples that his group about thirty in number, would visit to Kumb Festival in Hardwar (U.P) about 800 km away in one particular year. The desciples were very happy and started making preparations for the journey months before since, journey itself would take a month or two on foot/horses. Days passed by and Festival approached near but, the Saint did not talk about starting of the journey. Finally all the desciples thought the Saint has made fool of them. Just the previous night of Festival, all the desciples had the same dream as if they were present in the Festival along with the Saint. When they narrated this dream to the Saint; he smiled and said,"It was not a dream. In reality I had taken all of you with body to the Festival and taken back. Lest you may not believe One of your member is left there for a proof. He would coming on foot later on." To their surprise exactly same person was not with them about whom the saint had mentioned. How can science explain such a miracle???