Pig head stuns mosque visitors

[Abdullah]

Pig head stuns mosque visitors October 24 2006 at 01:55AM Strasbourg - Vandals splashed blood on a wall and left a pig's head at a mosque under construction in the eastern French city of Belfort, a security official said on Monday. Islam forbids its followers from eating pork. Monday marks the festival of Eid-ul-Fitr, the end of the holy month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk. France has Europe's largest Muslim community, numbering about five million, and mosques are occasionally vandalised. Swastikas and racist slogans were scrawled on the walls of two mosques and another was set on fire last month on the day French Muslims started celebrating Ramadan. Eric Krust, deputy chief of public security in the Territoire de Belfort department said the pig's head was left on a windowsill along with splashes of blood on an area five metres long and two metres high. The plan to build the mosque has been criticised by local opposition politicians because of the site chosen in Belfort's old town.

IOL: Pig head stuns mosque visitors

You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims? How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Abdullah You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims?

I suppose I rode that bandwagon when it went through town, so I, as well as anybody should respond here.



How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?[/quote]


I roundly condemn all of the attrocities commited.

[brien]

Quote by: Abdullah IOL: Pig head stuns mosque visitors You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims? How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?

Hmmmmmmmm Sort of like the Crucifix immersed in urine or cow dung spread across the Madonna painting. Although this instance isn't "art", in the minds of some people, neither was the urine and cow dung as well.

Anyone who willingly "vandalizes" a place of worship should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[rmnunez]

No, I don't think this was artistic expression.

[brien]

Quote by: rmnunez No, I don't think this was artistic expression.

Exactly my point. Neither, in the minds of many people, was a Crucifix placed upside down in urine or cow shit spread over the painting of Madonna.

[xyzer]

Abdullah..

You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims? How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?

How can you in all seriousness compare smearing pigs blood to destroying innocents human beings on a daily basis? Hamas has bombarded innocent Israelis with missiles from the Gaza. Has the Muslim clergy condemned Hamas for this "hate crime"?
Is the Islamic belief so callous and insenstive that it compares the act of a vandal to repeated acts of outright murder which go uncriticised in Islamic countries?
Has the Islamic clergy compared the Hezbollah invasion of Israel, killing several soldiers and kidnapping another? Has the Islamic clergy or public community condemned the cutting off a a journalists head? If so I haven't read about it?
Has the Islamic clergy condemned the killing of a Dutch movie maker for his public criticism of Islam?
Has the Islamic community condemned the daily killing of the citizens of Iraq by Muslims who claim a jihad against others but kill those of their own faith and country?
Get real...you are posting amid people who wonder just why Islam is so quick to censor critics and so prone to murder in the name of faith?
Can we logically compare hands dripping with an animals blood to hands dripping with human blood?

[Jack]

Anyone who willingly "vandalizes" a place of worship should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

What's so special about a place of "worship"? We have laws against vandalism. Those laws don't consider the target, just the illegal act.

[brien]

Quote by: Isherwood What's so special about a place of "worship"? We have laws against vandalism. Those laws don't consider the target, just the illegal act.

I only singled it out because it was the object of the story. Other than that, no special reason, except that religion was involved in the instance and this gets people excited.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Abdullah You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims?

To be fair, I've noticed that most politicians and non Muslims are very quick to condemn this sort of thing.

[rez]

Quote by: Abdullah IOL: Pig head stuns mosque visitors You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims? How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?

All crimes are hate crimes. You do not know who vandalized your church or for what reason. You are splitting people into groups suggesting that people should be treated differently. People should be treated the same under the same laws.


Why do religious people feel like they are being persecuted all the time?

[Georgia]

I think the correct punishment has already been stated here....under the law.....
The law of the land that is.
Somehow riots, burning and murder come to mind regarding certain cartoons resulting in penalties which were clearly outside the law.

[kalel29]

Why are you condemning this? Was anyone injured by it? This coming from the same group that riiots when someone makes a parody of Muhammed, but stones women for being raped. :rolleyes:

[drgilbert4]

These people have been fighting for thousands of years. I do not agree with desecrating mosques, but I think we should dip our bullets in pig blood so that when they are killed in battle their people will not think they are going to heaven as martyrs. CAN I GET A WITNESS!!!

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Isherwood What's so special about a place of "worship"? We have laws against vandalism. Those laws don't consider the target, just the illegal act.

That's not exactly true. Vandalize federal property and you'll be in significantly more trouble than if you just vandalized municipal or state property. Not really relevant to this issue in particular, I suppose, but still to the point about laws not considering the target.

[rmnunez]

Brien, though feces-smeared madonnas and urine-soaked crucifixes may not be artistic either, those were exhibited to the public as art. The mosque thing is most likely one of those 'hate crimes' by someone who really wants to offend them. We can only speculate on what ticks off this perpetrator about Muslims, maybe he's a supremacist who hates all minorities, or maybe its a group. I don't think we should make comparisons between public reaction to terrorist attacks and hate crimes, terrorism is not expressive conduct, hate crimes always are.

[luke virtual kh]

Quote by: Abdullah You non-Muslims criticize Muslims for not speaking out against "terrorism" well how about you non-Muslims speak out against hate crimes against the Muslims? How about you condemn USreal for their barbaric attacks on Muslims, how about speaking out against the Russians in Chechnya or what India is doing in Kashmir?

Exactly what are the "Hate Crimes" being committed by so called 'USreael!', Russia and India? Examples please. And if you're being scholarly, a little balance please and less of the sectarian zeal which is often the raison d'etre of hateful acts in the first place, and the root cause of many of the world's woes. If you're capable of balance that is. I'd like to think you are.
So alongside Russian crimes etc, have the Muslims there ever ever done anything wrong, grossly wrong?

...and a belated Eid mubarak to you Abdi, even though I'm a big fan of scientism and a hardened atheist...

Luke.

ps I found these words on an Islamic website: "Major sins are indeed the cause for all misery, evil and torment in this world and the hereafter."
The moral veiw of the origins of suffering seems to me outdated and unscientific. Diseases and syndromes for instance exist and we are all generally prone no matter what we do or say, and giving up backbiting or praising "God" certainly won't stop one from contracting the 'flu. There is a moral dimention to finding political peace, but when 25% perhaps of the world population believe that the common cold could be eradicated if we all stood for prayer at dawn, I don't see much hope for the human rationality which would underscore that morality. Ind if that 25% want to dominate and order affairs, then I'm willing to fight against them, and to a degree support those who do.