Question For Christians

[OratorDeVeritas]

"Are you saying that, prior to the NT, your god did not mean to imply that anybody other than non-Jews had to abide by his laws?"

I believe you are trying to say, "Did God only make his laws for the Jews?"
If you are then the answer is yes. Until Jesus came, Gentiles could not enter the kingdom of God.

"If so, how do you explain all the bloodshed and hissy fits he had when nobody listened"

Please give me some examples.

"Then, why don't you refer to them as the Ten Guidelines?"

Haha. Interesting question. Perhaps, because you are not supposed to add to or take away from the Holy Bible.

"I think you get your real moral authority outside of the Bible. I think that is the reason why you do not support this kind of law for rape. But I am open to being corrected."

Well you say you are open to being corrected, however you never accept correction.

I do not get my moral outside the Bible. The laws in Deutoronomy and Leviticus are meant for the Jews before the coming of the Messiah. I am not a Jew, and the Messiah has come; so this law no longer holds ground.

If I were to come up with a punishment for rape, I would have to pray about it for a long time.

I hope that answered your questions. Feel free to ask more.

[zynner]

Quote by: OratorDeVeritas "Are you saying that, prior to the NT, your god did not mean to imply that anybody other than non-Jews had to abide by his laws?" I believe you are trying to say, "Did God only make his laws for the Jews?"

No, I am asking if everything in the OT applied only to Jews before the NT.

Did God expect everybody to abide by the OT, before the NT existed, or only Jews?

"If so, how do you explain all the bloodshed and hissy fits he had when nobody listened" Please give me some examples.

LOL. Surely, you jest.

"Then, why don't you refer to them as the Ten Guidelines?" Haha. Interesting question. Perhaps, because you are not supposed to add to or take away from the Holy Bible.

Well, you are taking away (or adding to) the Bible when you change the Ten Commandments into the Ten Suggestions. The Bible doesn't say that. And, certainly, Christians who want them in schools do not consider them suggestions. Do you consider them important? If you are not a Jew, why would they hold any importance to you at all?

Well you say you are open to being corrected, however you never accept correction.

LOL. If you can find something valid to correct me on, I'm willing. (haha -- see? I can play this ring-around-the-rosy game, just like you.)

If I were to come up with a punishment for rape, I would have to pray about it for a long time.

What??? You already have SOME idea because you do NOT accept the marriage program.

How do you KNOW that your prayers will not result in God telling you to go with the marriage program?

If you do not KNOW that such will be the result of your prayers, then HOW DID YOU ALREADY MAKE THAT CONCLUSION?

You MUST be using some morality OUTSIDE of the Bible.

Gotcha! ;-)

~ zynner

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: zynner No, I am asking if everything in the OT applied only to Jews before the NT. Did God expect everybody to abide by the OT, before the NT existed, or only Jews?

To answer this one, I cite one of God's characteristics. If Goid is all just, it means that every law applies to everyone.

LOL. Surely, you jest.

I don't think he was jesting. for this one, I cite another source to add to the BIble. I quote here from Lee Strobell's interview with Dr Norman Geisler in The Case For Faith:

I looked intently into Geisler's eyes. My voice leaked sarcasm as I posed the most pointed objection to God's character. "You talk about compassion and mercy," I said, "But those qualities are hard to understand when we see God ordering the Israelites in Deuteronomy 7 to 'totally destroy' the Canaanites and six other nations and to 'show them no mercy."

To sum up his long winded rant, he talked about the tenth plague in Egypt, the flood, the battle against the Amalekites all the way down to the donkeys. The basic question here is, "How can we call God good if He orders the destruction of whole nations and children?"

To us debators, it seems like an illogical stumbling block that hits us in the emotional side instead of the logical stand."

I want to start with the Amalekites. For one, they were far from innocent. Matter of fact, they were depraved. Their mission was the destruction of Israel and anyone related to Israel. In other words, they wanted to commit genocide. Now, if that were enough for you, let me just add some more weight to this. The Israelites were God's chosen and promised (To Abraham and Isaac) people to bring the Messiah into the world, and thus, bring salvation.

You say there is no evidence for them wanting to commit genocide, but you focus only on the genocide of them and not the precipitating factors. You must remember that they had been following the Israelites around for more than 40 years, picking off the sick and elderly like a cheetah chasing a herd of gazelle.

The Canaanites had their chance in a different way. Before they went into Canaan, God set forth laws in Leviticus that required them to send an emissary requesting peace. There is evidence of this in Gibeon, the only Canaanite city that ever accepted the offer of peace. This not only gave them a chance to keep the city, it gave them forewarning of a possible attack if they refused, giving them time for the women and children to leave. Those who were left were the soldiers and militia. This was very common practice. To boot in some reasons outside of that, the list of problems these people had rivals Suddam's list. Brutality, cruelty, incest, beastiality, cultic prostitution, and even child sacrificed by fire would be included in a Reader's Digest version of their resume. They were also an aggressive culture that wished to kill the Israelites. Also, even certain people were spared from destruction. One example was Rahab, who hid the spies from authorities.

Ninevah, who God was originally going to judge for their wickedness, turned his wrath from them when the whole herd repented. It ensued that the city was accepted into the Jewish religion as proselytes (I hope I used the right term).

See, I will list you answers that will concede to the point, but I will always give you the context needed to shed light on the REASONS for such actions that proved stumbling blocks to me as well.