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Agnos · Oct 16, 2006, 02:34 pm

A fairly concise description of the various alterations the Bible has undergone over the centuries. Long read, but a goodie! Once you've reached the bottom, there will be a link to the next section. A very informative read. I can't say a whole lot about the legitimacy of it all. Undoubtedly, I will be spending a certain amount of time attempting to confirm what is written in this document by matching it up with other sources. But for now, I find it to be very interesting.

Alterations within the Old Testament

Nathan Struth · Oct 19, 2006, 10:26 pm

Oooh I have a good theory for origin of the Torah...

A group of wise men talked of the historical events that happened within their time-frame. They believed that there was only one god (Abraham especially) They were surrounded by a crappy world and they didn't like it.

They then established morals and made up a bunch of fake stories because people would believe them. These wise men soon spread the religion through teaching it to people. They thought it would be a lot better world with these morals that they knew they thought they were right on.

But unfortunately, as time progressed...it was not so...and after a while it turns out many people had done this. Different religions had emerged and due to human nature and the dislike of difference; hate was inevitable and it happened.

The probability of these people actually parting the red sea is probably extremely low, as is bread raining from the sky. The burning bush was probably caused by a wildfire (hey egypt is really hot!).

So that's it...that's my theory tell me how you like it?

Abdullah · Oct 20, 2006, 10:52 am

Scholars think that the original Torah was lost when king Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem.

luke virtual kh · Oct 26, 2006, 07:26 am

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Scholars think that the original Torah was lost when king Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem.

Is that Ismalic schollars (using hadith) or Western schollars (using their brains)?

Athena · Oct 27, 2006, 02:36 pm

If we want to understand the writing of the any holy book, we need to look back to when they were written. The Hebrews carry Sumerian and Egyptian beliefs. Here are some Sumerian sources. Also Amenhotep is responsible for the Eygptians worshipping one God before the existence of Hebrews. When he died, his holy city was destroyed, because old preist and worsphippers of many Gods hated him and his one God. The people from his holy city appear to have ended up in the old Sumerian city of Ur, where Abraham begins his trek back towards Eygpt. Hebrews sort of camp out and did a trade business between the areas of high population in a place now known as Israel. This later evolves into a religion with more eastern elements and especially Prussian mysticism- Christianity. Both religions moving into Arab territory and evolving again into Islam.

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Apokalupsis · Oct 27, 2006, 04:35 pm

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Quote by: Agnos

A fairly concise description of the various alterations the Bible has undergone over the centuries. Long read, but a goodie! Once you've reached the bottom, there will be a link to the next section. A very informative read. I can't say a whole lot about the legitimacy of it all. Undoubtedly, I will be spending a certain amount of time attempting to confirm what is written in this document by matching it up with other sources. But for now, I find it to be very interesting.

Alterations within the Old Testament

Why doesn't the article's author, provide any sources whatsoever? Is he an authority on the subject? Who is the author? How can you use as a source, an article that has an anonymous author and uses no independent sources or scholars? What is the difference between this and a wiki article? At least a wiki article has sources at the end, so it would at least have that much more credibility, no?

samsara15 · Oct 30, 2006, 11:12 am

The Egyptian God Amun dominated the religious landscape of Egypt during the New Kingdom, and all other Gods were viewed as aspects of Amun, by his adherents. That's fairly close to monotheism.

That was both before and after Akhnaten.

The priests of Amun eventually overthrew the pharoahs, leading to the Third Intermediate Period of Egyptian history, and established a theocracy, but Egypt was declining by then, and split up even further.

Some people say the ending of prayers "Amen", came from Amun.

Oct 16, 2006, 02:34 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Agnos Not Agnostic. Posts: 70	The Historical Construction of The Bible A fairly concise description of the various alterations the Bible has undergone over the centuries. Long read, but a goodie! Once you've reached the bottom, there will be a link to the next section. A very informative read. I can't say a whole lot about the legitimacy of it all. Undoubtedly, I will be spending a certain amount of time attempting to confirm what is written in this document by matching it up with other sources. But for now, I find it to be very interesting. Alterations within the Old Testament Last edited by Agnos; Oct 16, 2006 at 03:27 pm.

Oct 19, 2006, 10:26 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	Oooh I have a good theory for origin of the Torah... A group of wise men talked of the historical events that happened within their time-frame. They believed that there was only one god (Abraham especially) They were surrounded by a crappy world and they didn't like it. They then established morals and made up a bunch of fake stories because people would believe them. These wise men soon spread the religion through teaching it to people. They thought it would be a lot better world with these morals that they knew they thought they were right on. But unfortunately, as time progressed...it was not so...and after a while it turns out many people had done this. Different religions had emerged and due to human nature and the dislike of difference; hate was inevitable and it happened. The probability of these people actually parting the red sea is probably extremely low, as is bread raining from the sky. The burning bush was probably caused by a wildfire (hey egypt is really hot!). So that's it...that's my theory tell me how you like it? I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Oct 20, 2006, 10:52 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Abdullah Assad ul-Jihaad Location: On the Battlefield Posts: 212	Scholars think that the original Torah was lost when king Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem. _________________________________ لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله _________________________________

Oct 27, 2006, 02:36 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,304	If we want to understand the writing of the any holy book, we need to look back to when they were written. The Hebrews carry Sumerian and Egyptian beliefs. Here are some Sumerian sources. Also Amenhotep is responsible for the Eygptians worshipping one God before the existence of Hebrews. When he died, his holy city was destroyed, because old preist and worsphippers of many Gods hated him and his one God. The people from his holy city appear to have ended up in the old Sumerian city of Ur, where Abraham begins his trek back towards Eygpt. Hebrews sort of camp out and did a trade business between the areas of high population in a place now known as Israel. This later evolves into a religion with more eastern elements and especially Prussian mysticism- Christianity. Both religions moving into Arab territory and evolving again into Islam. Sumerian Gods and Goddesses - CrystalinksInformation about Sumerian Gods and Goddesses is found on the Sumerian King List as ... In Sumerian Mythology they were a pantheon of good and evil gods and ... Sumerian Gods and Goddesses - Crystalinks - 31k - Cached - Similar pages Sumerian Gods and GoddessesFor about a thousand years after 2500 B.C., Enlil is supreme ruler of Sumerian pantheon of gods and guardian of the city of Nippur; he is credited with ... Sumerian Gods and Goddesses - 3k - Cached - Similar pages The SumeriansIn exchange, they glorified their god with prayers, supplications and sacrifices while continuing to worship the other gods in the Sumerian pantheon of gods ... The Sumerians - 30k - Cached - Similar pages The gods of Sumeria between 3000 BC and 2000 BCShe was the first goddess-woman and was included in the supreme hierarchy of Sumerian gods (at 4th place, immediately after the triad : AN, ENLIL and ENKI). ... The gods of Sumeria between 3000 BC and 2000 BC - 32k - Cached - Similar pages Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Sumerian gods (Sumerian dingir, plural dingir-dingir or dingir-a-ne-ne) thus had associations with different cities, and their religious importance ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer - 74k - Cached - Similar pages Index to the Gods, Demons, Immortals and Mythology of SumeriaUnfortunately, there is no single corpus of mythology that explains the gods, demons and other immortals of Sumeria, which includes the lands of Sumer, ... Index to the Gods, Demons, Immortals and Mythology of Sumeria - 11k - Cached - Similar pages Sumerian Mythology FAQ(Kramer, The Sumerians 1963: pp. 112-113) Each of the four major Sumerian deities is associated with one of these regions. An, god of heaven, may have been ... home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html - 80k - Cached - Similar pages ENKI, A SUMERIAN HIGH GOD - Gods, Goddesses and Supernatural ...A cast of one of the longest and best preserved of the extant Sumerian narrative poems. alexm.here.ru/mirrors/www.enteract.com/jwalz/Eliade/016.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages Part 3: The Mysteries of SumerNothing more or less than complete servitude… the very purpose for which ‘mankind’ was ‘created’ by the Sumerian gods… the Anunnaki (the Nefilim of the ... Part 3: The Mysteries of Sumer - 20k - Cached - Similar pages Mesopotamia; Origin of Civilization Anthony Garone Who were the ...The Sumerian gods enjoyed an extended lifetime - on the average of three thousand years - as compared to our brief mortal existence. This pantheon of gods ... www.garone.net/tony/mesopotamia.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages Dawn falls Eve. Enlightenment falls the darkness.

Oct 30, 2006, 11:12 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 I'm the camel Location: Maryland Posts: 657	The Egyptian God Amun dominated the religious landscape of Egypt during the New Kingdom, and all other Gods were viewed as aspects of Amun, by his adherents. That's fairly close to monotheism. That was both before and after Akhnaten. The priests of Amun eventually overthrew the pharoahs, leading to the Third Intermediate Period of Egyptian history, and established a theocracy, but Egypt was declining by then, and split up even further. Some people say the ending of prayers "Amen", came from Amun. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97