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underbear1 · Oct 12, 2006, 11:57 am

" Pope condemns use of religion as an excuse for hatred and violence "
Pope condemns use of religion as an excuse for hatred and violence - iht,europe,Vatican Pope Jews - Europe - International Herald Tribune
"VATICAN CITY Pope Benedict XVI met Thursday with representatives of a Jewish group and said that religion should never be used to justify hatred and violence and praised every effort to rid faiths of such misuse.

"May the Eternal One, our Father in heaven, bless every effort to eliminate from our world any misuse of religion as an excuse for hatred or violence," Benedict told a delegation of the Anti-Defamation League, a U.S. group that fights racism and anti-Semitism."

Ratzinger is such a HYPOCRITE he constantly stokes hatred against gays/lesbians calling us a threat to families, in Canada, Italy, Spain and because he got millions of Muslims mad enough to assasinate him, NOW he thinks hatred and violence isn't such a hot idea.

belverron · Oct 12, 2006, 01:45 pm

Don't worry, underbear1. He loves us; he just takes issue with our behavior. And if he could get us jailed for our conduct, he probably would; he'd love us just the same, though. Yeah, religion is a beautiful thing sometimes. It just makes bigotry seem so considerate.

underbear1 · Oct 12, 2006, 02:03 pm

Yeah He loves us to death, same way Muslims love him.

The Architect · Oct 12, 2006, 03:40 pm

Quote:

"May the Eternal One, our Father in heaven, bless every effort to eliminate from our world any misuse of religion as an excuse for hatred or violence," Benedict told a delegation of the Anti-Defamation League, a U.S. group that fights racism and anti-Semitism."

Tell that to the Extremeists.

Abdullah · Oct 12, 2006, 03:48 pm

The Pope should know better than to attack Islam to try and make a point, especially now a days when Muslims already feel like they're under siege.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Oct 14, 2006, 02:08 pm

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Quote by: Abdullah

especially now a days when Muslims already feel like they're under siege.

Abdullah how are Muslims under seige, how can they feel so vulnerable and isolated. Better still why? Why do they feel under seige? And from who, who do they consider constrains them at this time.

It themselves, they who cannot feel their own freedoms because they are scared ? Is that not so?

Abdullah · Oct 17, 2006, 07:02 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel

Abdullah how are Muslims under seige, how can they feel so vulnerable and isolated. Better still why? Why do they feel under seige? And from who, who do they consider constrains them at this time.

It themselves, they who cannot feel their own freedoms because they are scared ? Is that not so?

Because the West continues its crusade against Islam.

Nathan Struth · Oct 19, 2006, 07:27 am

No it doesn't....the west doesn't care. Abdullah, the west only wants money for itself and its people. That's it. Iraq = cash scheme. Somalia = oil checkpoint port. The US is just in for the money; they don't care about Islam even though we have a theocracy.

kubedawg · Oct 19, 2006, 07:57 am

A serious question. What is Islam?

belverron · Oct 19, 2006, 08:31 am

Islam is the religion, Muslims are the believers.

kubedawg · Oct 19, 2006, 08:37 am

Fonceai · Oct 19, 2006, 09:04 am

Anyone have links to references where Pope Palpatine "stoked hatred" against those groups?

underbear1 · Oct 19, 2006, 09:29 am

TORTURE: never forget - NI 327 - Worldbeaters... Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

"In 1986 Ratzinger issued a letter to the Catholic Bishops in which he wrote that homosexuality was a ‘tendency’ towards an ‘intrinsic moral evil’. A few years later, in 1992, he rejected the notion of human rights for gays, stressing that their civil liberties could be ‘legitimately limited’. He followed up by remarking that ‘neither the church nor society should be surprised’ if ‘irrational and violent reactions increase’ when gays demand civil rights. Not a man to mince his words, Ratzinger urgently set to work to ferret out gay-sensitive clergy.
AMERICAblog: A blog for a great nation that deserves the truth
Tuesday, April 19, 2005"

Ratzinger defends violence against gays

"Sure, violence is wrong, but fags shouldn't be surprised when their own existence invites violence. Spoken like a true former member of the Hitler Youth. Links here and here. Raising Ratzinger
‘It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.

‘But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase (No. 10).

8. "What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well’ (No. 11)."

Pope’s views against gays are long and detailed
"Pope’s views against gays are long and detailed"

2000 years of church homophobia
"RATZINGER - FUNDAMENTALIST POPE

Disaster for women, gays and liberals "

Fonceai · Oct 19, 2006, 09:35 am

Got any objective sources that don't have a clearly one-sided objective?

underbear1 · Oct 19, 2006, 09:48 am

It really doesn't matter if the hatred is being felt by gays/lesbians whether objective sources are recording it or not.Spain, Canada, and Italy's governments are NOT allowing threats made to them to force them to change giving gays equal rights, so those would be objective sources IMO.
Muslims don't need to show objective sources to be outraged by Ratzinger, and neither do gays, who have had much more, and much more ugly hate spewed at them from this pope.
No priest, bishop, or cardinal would go unpunished from this pope, if he spoke in favor of gays, he is absolute ruler of that Church.

Fonceai · Oct 19, 2006, 10:01 am

Actually, he's the elected ruler of that Church.

I really don't mean to be a dick, but every source I can find in reference to this is very one-sided and seems to be manipulating information just a bit.

underbear1 · Oct 19, 2006, 10:18 am

Elected is to broad a word for how a pope is chosen by a very select conclave of cardinals who ONLY serve at the pleasure of the previous pope. The pope is picked from a very short list, by a select entrenched group, and once he is selected, he rules with ABSOLUTE power until he dies.

Nathan Struth · Oct 19, 2006, 11:59 am

He's a hippocrate (the pope): I don't see how he lets other religious wars wage. I don't even see how he can hate gays while sayign this. They contradict each other.... Hippocrite

Fonceai · Oct 19, 2006, 12:10 pm

@Nathan

Dude, that confused me.

I don't want to assume what you meant when I respond, so could you edit that or something for clarity?

Nathan Struth · Oct 19, 2006, 01:35 pm

I don't know how to edit....sry
The pope is clearly a hippocrite saying that he doesn't want voilence or hatred towards anyone; but he hates gays. He uses religion to hate gays, and then he goes off saying "Condemns using religion as an excuse for hatred and voilence" I just don't get this asshole....

Oct 12, 2006, 11:57 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Pope condemns use of religion as an excuse for hatred and violence " Pope condemns use of religion as an excuse for hatred and violence " Pope condemns use of religion as an excuse for hatred and violence - iht,europe,Vatican Pope Jews - Europe - International Herald Tribune "VATICAN CITY Pope Benedict XVI met Thursday with representatives of a Jewish group and said that religion should never be used to justify hatred and violence and praised every effort to rid faiths of such misuse. "May the Eternal One, our Father in heaven, bless every effort to eliminate from our world any misuse of religion as an excuse for hatred or violence," Benedict told a delegation of the Anti-Defamation League, a U.S. group that fights racism and anti-Semitism." Ratzinger is such a HYPOCRITE he constantly stokes hatred against gays/lesbians calling us a threat to families, in Canada, Italy, Spain and because he got millions of Muslims mad enough to assasinate him, NOW he thinks hatred and violence isn't such a hot idea.

Oct 12, 2006, 01:45 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
belverron Beloved Truth-Dragon Location: Texas Posts: 1,299	Don't worry, underbear1. He loves us; he just takes issue with our behavior. And if he could get us jailed for our conduct, he probably would; he'd love us just the same, though. Yeah, religion is a beautiful thing sometimes. It just makes bigotry seem so considerate. If only I could saith, so should I.

Oct 12, 2006, 03:48 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Abdullah Assad ul-Jihaad Location: On the Battlefield Posts: 212	The Pope should know better than to attack Islam to try and make a point, especially now a days when Muslims already feel like they're under siege. _________________________________ لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله _________________________________

Oct 19, 2006, 07:27 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	No it doesn't....the west doesn't care. Abdullah, the west only wants money for itself and its people. That's it. Iraq = cash scheme. Somalia = oil checkpoint port. The US is just in for the money; they don't care about Islam even though we have a theocracy. I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Oct 19, 2006, 07:57 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	A serious question. What is Islam? "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Oct 12, 2006, 02:03 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Yeah He loves us to death, same way Muslims love him.

Oct 19, 2006, 08:31 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
belverron Beloved Truth-Dragon Location: Texas Posts: 1,299	Islam is the religion, Muslims are the believers. If only I could saith, so should I.

Oct 19, 2006, 08:37 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	Rgr. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Oct 19, 2006, 09:04 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Anyone have links to references where Pope Palpatine "stoked hatred" against those groups?

Oct 19, 2006, 09:29 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	TORTURE: never forget - NI 327 - Worldbeaters... Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger "In 1986 Ratzinger issued a letter to the Catholic Bishops in which he wrote that homosexuality was a ‘tendency’ towards an ‘intrinsic moral evil’. A few years later, in 1992, he rejected the notion of human rights for gays, stressing that their civil liberties could be ‘legitimately limited’. He followed up by remarking that ‘neither the church nor society should be surprised’ if ‘irrational and violent reactions increase’ when gays demand civil rights. Not a man to mince his words, Ratzinger urgently set to work to ferret out gay-sensitive clergy. AMERICAblog: A blog for a great nation that deserves the truth Tuesday, April 19, 2005" Ratzinger defends violence against gays "Sure, violence is wrong, but fags shouldn't be surprised when their own existence invites violence. Spoken like a true former member of the Hitler Youth. Links here and here. Raising Ratzinger ‘It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law. ‘But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase (No. 10). 8. "What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well’ (No. 11)." Pope’s views against gays are long and detailed "Pope’s views against gays are long and detailed" 2000 years of church homophobia "RATZINGER - FUNDAMENTALIST POPE Disaster for women, gays and liberals "

Oct 19, 2006, 09:35 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Got any objective sources that don't have a clearly one-sided objective?

Oct 19, 2006, 09:48 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	It really doesn't matter if the hatred is being felt by gays/lesbians whether objective sources are recording it or not.Spain, Canada, and Italy's governments are NOT allowing threats made to them to force them to change giving gays equal rights, so those would be objective sources IMO. Muslims don't need to show objective sources to be outraged by Ratzinger, and neither do gays, who have had much more, and much more ugly hate spewed at them from this pope. No priest, bishop, or cardinal would go unpunished from this pope, if he spoke in favor of gays, he is absolute ruler of that Church.

Oct 19, 2006, 10:01 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Actually, he's the elected ruler of that Church. I really don't mean to be a dick, but every source I can find in reference to this is very one-sided and seems to be manipulating information just a bit.

Oct 19, 2006, 10:18 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Elected is to broad a word for how a pope is chosen by a very select conclave of cardinals who ONLY serve at the pleasure of the previous pope. The pope is picked from a very short list, by a select entrenched group, and once he is selected, he rules with ABSOLUTE power until he dies.

Oct 19, 2006, 11:59 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	He's a hippocrate (the pope): I don't see how he lets other religious wars wage. I don't even see how he can hate gays while sayign this. They contradict each other.... Hippocrite I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Oct 19, 2006, 12:10 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	@Nathan Dude, that confused me. I don't want to assume what you meant when I respond, so could you edit that or something for clarity?

Oct 19, 2006, 01:35 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	I don't know how to edit....sry The pope is clearly a hippocrite saying that he doesn't want voilence or hatred towards anyone; but he hates gays. He uses religion to hate gays, and then he goes off saying "Condemns using religion as an excuse for hatred and voilence" I just don't get this asshole.... I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.