Primer on Islamic "Anger" Towards the West

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Venom is valuable. Something needs to undercut the New World Order...

Yes like all the self-hating Americans moving the hell out of a country that treats them so well!

[arielmessenger]

you all really need to understand a basic human psychological condition. Human beings are social animals and it's socialization that has created civilization.

The Jewish religion thwarts normal socialization processes human beings use to overcome tribal barriers to creation of larger social groups. When your religious cult tells you you cannot eat, socialize or marry a non-member of the cult, then you are setting the stage for animosity in the groups interacting with you.

Couple this ongoing animosity for not socializing, with a perception of Jews achieving higher social status and social powers over their Gentile neighbors under the oppressive rule of the aristocrats with ambitious Jews cozied up to with their wealth and intellectual skills, and bingo! You are bound to get periodic reaction from the masses of peasants who feel screwed over by a paranoid religious cult of weirdos claiming themselves Chosen of God.

Now there's Israel to add to the perception of Gentiles being screwed over by Jews manipulation aristocratic or in our times politically powerful families and economic organizations to benefit Jews and no one else. Certainly not the Gentile Palestinian population made to pay the price for European Gentile production of the Jewish holocaust.

Judaism is idolatry where the Jewish idols are the Cult itself and the Cult's enterprise of Israel. This is why Jews can be atheists and still consider themselves fully members of the Cult. The Cult takes precedent over belief in God even.

No wonder Israelis have no feelings of compassion for their neighbors. Their religion only lets them recognize compassion when it benefits the group, e.g. in the days when most Jews were out of social status in America run by Goyim, so they were heavily into the civil rights movement. But once in power in America, you don't hear much at all of Jewish activism for oppressed peoples.

The Cult is always the most important thing of all.

Think about this:

The Jewish religious tradition glorifies the martyrs at Masada for being willing to commit mass suicide rather than being forced to become citizens of the Roman Empire. Masada Jews committed suicide which meant Masada Jewish mothers and fathers were as willing as were the members of either Jonestone or Koresh's Waco compound to kill their children than let them live not as cult leadership of Jim Jones or David Koresh commanded.

No fanatical cult mindset should dictate our foreign policies or social laws.

[The Decider]

Quote by: arielmessenger you all really need to understand a basic human psychological condition. Human beings are social animals and it's socialization that has created civilization. The Jewish religion thwarts normal socialization processes human beings use to overcome tribal barriers to creation of larger social groups. When your religious cult tells you you cannot eat, socialize or marry a non-member of the cult, then you are setting the stage for animosity in the groups interacting with you. Couple this ongoing animosity for not socializing, with a perception of Jews achieving higher social status and social powers over their Gentile neighbors under the oppressive rule of the aristocrats with ambitious Jews cozied up to with their wealth and intellectual skills, and bingo! You are bound to get periodic reaction from the masses of peasants who feel screwed over by a paranoid religious cult of weirdos claiming themselves Chosen of God. Now there's Israel to add to the perception of Gentiles being screwed over by Jews manipulation aristocratic or in our times politically powerful families and economic organizations to benefit Jews and no one else. Certainly not the Gentile Palestinian population made to pay the price for European Gentile production of the Jewish holocaust. Judaism is idolatry where the Jewish idols are the Cult itself and the Cult's enterprise of Israel. This is why Jews can be atheists and still consider themselves fully members of the Cult. The Cult takes precedent over belief in God even. No wonder Israelis have no feelings of compassion for their neighbors. Their religion only lets them recognize compassion when it benefits the group, e.g. in the days when most Jews were out of social status in America run by Goyim, so they were heavily into the civil rights movement. But once in power in America, you don't hear much at all of Jewish activism for oppressed peoples. The Cult is always the most important thing of all. Think about this: The Jewish religious tradition glorifies the martyrs at Masada for being willing to commit mass suicide rather than being forced to become citizens of the Roman Empire. Masada Jews committed suicide which meant Masada Jewish mothers and fathers were as willing as were the members of either Jonestone or Koresh's Waco compound to kill their children than let them live not as cult leadership of Jim Jones or David Koresh commanded. No fanatical cult mindset should dictate our foreign policies or social laws.

I am in awe. In all this verbiage I can not find a single reference to Islam on a thread about Islam. I see Jewish religion, Jewish religious cult, something called "Jews manipulation aristocratic," the Chosen of God (that would be Jews ), Jewish Holocaust, Israel (of course), European Gentile, Jewish idolatry, Masada Jewish mothers, paranoid religious cult of weirdos (the Jews), and fanatical cult mindset (you know who!). Add David Koresh, Waco, Jonestone, and Jim Jones for good measure (guess who they resemble?).

I thought you were going to show some proportionality in your attacks on the Abrahamic religions, arielmessenger? Well, here's the thread. Islam awaits your verbal pogrom. Give the poor Jews a brief rest. Oy vey!

[JBG]

Quote by: GHook93 Yes like all the self-hating Americans moving the hell out of a country that treats them so well!

He'd love NK or Cuba. Let him join the boatloads fleeing to those fair lands. Or Venezuela or Syra.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: JBG He'd love NK or Cuba. Let him join the boatloads fleeing to those fair lands. Or Venezuela or Syra.

Heh. This is for you Punks Who Tell Me To Leave

[arielmessenger]

All of you must know by this time that it is impossible to talk about "Islamic anger" without talking about one of its prime sources--Israel. And if you talk about Israel meaningfully in Muslim understanding you need to talk about the source of the ideology that created the immoral monstrosity of Israel--Zionist Judaism.

You should expect my sort of response to a person like Ghook starting a "Primer on Islamic "Anger". It is unfortunate that there seem to be so few Muslims posting on Volconvo, so we don't have direct imput on their p.o.v.

Having Ghook give it is like asking Bush to give an honest appraisal of our success in Iraq..

[texasdave]

Ariel,
You are antisemetic and as such are an enemy of God.

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[texasdave]

The primer of islamic anger against the west is because of islamic racial bigotry towards Israel. All the islamic states that now exist were formed after the British left the area. Israel was given to the Jews just as the other nations were given to the Arabs. The Arabs just don't get along well with those who are different and they hate Jews and Israel. But Israel has just as much right to exist as the Arab states. They need to just get over it.

[The Decider]

Quote by: arielmessenger You should expect my sort of response to a person like Ghook starting a "Primer on Islamic "Anger". It is unfortunate that there seem to be so few Muslims posting on Volconvo, so we don't have direct imput on their p.o.v. Having Ghook give it is like asking Bush to give an honest appraisal of our success in Iraq..

So your strategy of defending Muslims against Ghook's intolerance is to offer your own bigotry? Jews are "weirdos?"

Do you find anything in Islamic fundamentalist beliefs to criticize or does it all go back to Judaism? You've offered no balance to your analysis, much less information to back up your arguments. You've stated elsewhere that you find fault in all Abrahamic beliefs, but you save your venom for the Jewish weirdos. You're a One Trick Pony.

[texasdave]

Ariel was displaying the central problem of islam. It is a religion of hatred.

[The Decider]

Quote by: texasdave Ariel was displaying the central problem of islam. It is a religion of hatred.

Islamophobia and Anti-Semitism are blood brothers. You have that in common with Arielmessenger, texasdave.

[texasdave]

No, Islam teaches as a part of its faith to kill Jews. " Look Muslim there is is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." That is a tree speaking in the Koran. I am not afraid of islam. It is a false religion that encourages death as part of its teaching.

[The Decider]

Quote by: texasdave I am not afraid of islam. It is a false religion that encourages death as part of its teaching.

Calling Islam a "false religion" is the same kind of intolerance advocated by arielmessenger. Both Islam and Judaism have contradictory passages in their holy texts. Both religions have extremists. Just like ALL major religions. Your overgeneralizations don't help.

[texasdave]

Jewish "extremists" don't drive planes into buildings or teach their children to be martyrs or blow themselves up to kill muslims. Wake up. They are not the same. Watch the news or something.

[GHook93]

Quote by: GHook93 And Muslims do? That is laughable. What does the death to all infidels mean?

This is not to say that there are no good Muslims or even Palestinians. I would say the majority of Muslims are as moral as anyone. I also think there are a ton of extremely loyal Muslim Americans, that I would see as more patriotic than 2 participates of this thread.

However very dangerous bad apples and with the capability of modern weapons, one bad apple can take out many.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: texasdave Jewish "extremists" don't drive planes into buildings or teach their children to be martyrs or blow themselves up to kill muslims. Wake up. They are not the same. Watch the news or something.

True that suicide bombing isn't a Zionist policy.

However you will find a rather extreme view of those outside Judaism if you look into their religious documents. There are even genocidal events lauded in the Bible. How is this different from the Muslim death cult?

[GHook93]

I think Ron Paul has calculated the reason of the Muslim World's anger to the US. Simply because we are over there. We nearly fought a war with Russia, because they wanted to establish missile bases in Cuba. Yet we establish them everywhere.

China is a super-power, yet they seem to get along with the world. What America needs to do is pull out of these countries and not look back. We can still provide humanitarian assistance and financial aid, but nothing else. No more world police.

As much as I hate to admit it, Israel is also a root cause in the hatred. But its not the only think. The blow-back effect is hard to stomach, but its true. We created the Iran situation by installing the Shah, we created the Taliban by making it a background against the Soviets, we established Sadam's Iraq when we backed him against Iran and now we piss them off more because we have a strong military presence over there.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider So your strategy of defending Muslims against Ghook's intolerance is to offer your own bigotry? Jews are "weirdos?" Do you find anything in Islamic fundamentalist beliefs to criticize or does it all go back to Judaism? You've offered no balance to your analysis, much less information to back up your arguments. You've stated elsewhere that you find fault in all Abrahamic beliefs, but you save your venom for the Jewish weirdos. You're a One Trick Pony.

So I am intolerant. I could see how I can come off that way, but strongly support a Palestinian state, but not at the cost of the death of Israel. I support an end to the Iraq war. I strongly support communication with Iran. I don't support bush. I have voted for Obama to be senator, even with the attack ads at the time (must in in IL to have seen them) that he was a radical with Islamic backgrounds. Might even vote for him again. I have Muslim friends. Etc.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider Calling Islam a "false religion" is the same kind of intolerance advocated by arielmessenger. Both Islam and Judaism have contradictory passages in their holy texts. Both religions have extremists. Just like ALL major religions. Your overgeneralizations don't help.

All religion should "false" when compared to science. Religion is middle-age concept that should be abandoned with scientific advancements.