Your Religion

[Impenitent]

unite behind the love of the white race...

love=bullshit

[Gorgo]

Love = bullshit. From the third Book of Bullshit, Chapter 7 verse 5.

[PhanthomOps]

Shunyadragon:
So, what is so absolutely wrong with the supernatural??

Gorgo:
I am complete aware of the Placebo procedure and result. Anyway, thank you very much for your concern with my ongoing education.

mrmufin:
Quote:
"As far as my acceptance of "other" religions... hey, if you believe that one or twenty gods exist, and elect to congregate with others who share your beliefs, fine. Have fun. But assume my non-participation until such time as the appropriate god makes a personal impact on me; any god that couldn't do that much is apparently very indeifferent about me."

Thank you, I really appreciate and respect your position. But more than that your openness, and willingness to change your opinion given the proper circumstances.

Impenitent and Gorgo:

I thought that came from the "Book of Intense Smells" chapter 7 verse 21. I guess I read the wrong book. Oh, well cant't let that happen again.

[Gorgo]

PhantomOps, since you know about the Placebo Effect, you know that there is no such thing as spiritual or 'faith' healing.

By the way, PhantomOps, I haven't wanted to ask because I didn't want to think I was picking on your spelling, but are you a Conservative, or is there really something called a Consertive?

[PhanthomOps]

Gorgo,

On the contrary. Not have I seen, but have been involved with "Faith Healings".

Oh, and thank you for pointing out my error in spelling - if you notice, it has been immediately corrected.

[Gorgo]

Okay. Thought there was something I was missing.

[PhanthomOps]

Gorgo,

Finally, I (Gorgo) see said the blind man.

[Haethurn]

Originally posted by Gorgo, Was Hitler an atheist or a theist? Who cares? A good article. http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/featur...9/violence.html Hitler was NOT an atheist: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/...urphy_19_2.html

Secular humanism says that Hitler was a theist? Well, gee, I wonder how credible that is. I don't know...I think I'll go with the countless History Channel documentaries on this one; Hitler was an atheist.

[Gorgo]

Oh yes, the History Channel is straight from Jesus, isn't it?

[PhanthomOps]

Haethurn,

Excellent point made - Thank you - and by the way welcome aboard.

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by Haethurn,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Haethurn,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Gorgo, Was Hitler an atheist or a theist?  Who cares?  A good article.  http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/featur...9/violence.html Hitler was NOT an atheist: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/...urphy_19_2.html

Secular humanism says that Hitler was a theist? Well, gee, I wonder how credible that is. I don't know...I think I'll go with the countless History Channel documentaries on this one; Hitler was an atheist.[/b][/quote]

I have watched several History Channel documentries on Hitler and the issue was not addressed clearly or totally. It seemed that it left the impression without documenting it clearly.

Hitler's writings, speeches and the testimony of others is very clear. He was a Christian and enthusiastically supported and used the flagrant antisemitism of Martin Luther and the Roman Church. He openly stated that he felt he was doing God's will in his extermination of the Jews.

[PhanthomOps]

Shunyadragon,

In-as-much as I am not knowledgeable in this area, I'll sit this one out.

[Haethurn]

Originally posted by shunyadragon,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shunyadragon,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Haethurn,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Gorgo, Was Hitler an atheist or a theist?  Who cares?  A good article.  http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/featur...9/violence.html Hitler was NOT an atheist: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/...urphy_19_2.html Secular humanism says that Hitler was a theist? Well, gee, I wonder how credible that is. I don't know...I think I'll go with the countless History Channel documentaries on this one; Hitler was an atheist.

I have watched several History Channel documentries on Hitler and the issue was not addressed clearly or totally. It seemed that it left the impression without documenting it clearly.

Hitler's writings, speeches and the testimony of others is very clear. He was a Christian and enthusiastically supported and used the flagrant antisemitism of Martin Luther and the Roman Church. He openly stated that he felt he was doing God's will in his extermination of the Jews.[/b][/quote]

Do you really believe that? Then you would have been fooled along with the rest of the German people. Hitler was not a Christian. He may have fooled the German people into thinking he was a Christian, but this is simply not the case. He is quoted as saying, "Christianity is an invention of the Jews." There is NO doubt that he said this.

[Haethurn]

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/.../ca_hitler.html

This is a link that hopefully will dispel the idea that Hitler was a Christian.

You must remember that whenever Hitler appeared to support Christianity, it was only a clever propaganda scheme to sway the people. This should be obvious from the numerous positive things that he said about propaganda.

From reading these forums, it seems that there are still some people who can be deceived by Hitler's oratory.

[Gorgo]

Well, that's why I posted both articles, it doesn't matter to me. The Neo-Cons are using religion to keep themselves in power, that doesn't mean that none of them are Christian, some of them are. If you are the one that decides who can be a Christian and who can't be, that's up to you. Makes no difference. Just shows how it can be twisted into something to use power, like a lot of other things. That, in and of itself, does not make Christianity a bad thing.

"PhantomOps, since you know about the Placebo Effect, you know that there is no such thing as spiritual or 'faith' healing."

it is a shame that you do not know of the many miracles that have occurred in the world. the placebo effect is legit but do not confuse it with a miraculous event. the kind christians reference in the bible, for instance. or the kind the catholic church refers to up to the present day.

[PhanthomOps]

Bob_Dobbs,

Yes it is a shame, that Gorgo is so blinded by and intrenched in his finite human philosophy. However, rest assured that one day the Holy Spirit will clear the cob-webs from his mind and open it to the point of understanding the message. Perhaps then he will realize the plight of his stubborness, and be able for the first time to make the right decision.

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by Haethurn, http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/.../ca_hitler.html This is a link that hopefully will dispel the idea that Hitler was a Christian. You must remember that whenever Hitler appeared to support Christianity, it was only a clever propaganda scheme to sway the people. This should be obvious from the numerous positive things that he said about propaganda. From reading these forums, it seems that there are still some people who can be deceived by Hitler's oratory.

Thank you for the information. It did influence my view of Hitler, but did not change my view of the role of Christianity in the rise of Hitler and his efforts to exterminate the Jews.

I would probably no longer consider Hitler either Christian nor Atheist. Though he never did renounce his membrship in the Roman Church or the Roman Church never excommunicated him that I know of.

He used religion effectively in his rise to power. Germany was 90%+ Lutheran and Roman Church (Catholic). The support from these two Churches was more than enthusiastic in his extermination of the Jews and his rise to power. There were desenters of course, but only a minority. Without this support Hitler could not have achieved his goals. He also found similar support in France, Austria, Italy, Spain and other countries.

[white rice]

[quote=shunyadragon,]

Thanks for your reply. There's something about applying the law of entropy to nihilism/existentialism that makes it sound hollow. On a higher order, a billion or two years could be nothing more than a blip. I'll have to think further if I'm to give a response.

[Disinvented]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bob_Dobbs,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>what if you had an experience in ESP or the 'supernatural'? do you discount them as hallucinations or coincidence or do you investigate this strange occurance? what if you saw your past lives in a 'vision' and it struck personal truths to your core? would you throw it away? would you keep it a secret and wonder periodically all your life what it was? would you look at reincarnation acocunts differently? what if you talked to god and god talked back? what if you cast a magic spell and reality bent to your will? how would that experiment and evidence change the way you view reality? science? religion? 'supernatural' events? [/b]

What if? What if? I don't believe in unicorns, because I've never seen one. I've never heard a good enough argument to convince me that I should either. What if one just galloped up and poked me in the ass with its horn? Well, yes, I might just believe then, though, based on all I've known up until this point, I would question my sanity. At the very least, I'd investigate further.

So here's how it goes:

I've never interacted with any gods.
[plus]
I've never heard a rational argument for the existence of any gods.
[ergo]
I don't subscribe to a belief in any gods.

I've never experienced an instance of extrasensory perception.
[plus]
I've never seen convincing evidence of extrasensory perception.
[ergo]
I have no reason to believe in extrasensory perception.

I've never seen a ghost.
[plus]
I've never seen convincing evidence of ghosts.
[ergo]
I don't believe in ghosts.

I don't believe in any of these things. That's not to say that I refute their existence, I merely find no justification to believe in them due to lack of evidence. If I were to believe without such evidence, my belief would be a product of my mind. This is, indisputably, what all faith is: in the absence of proof, the mind paints a picture with romanticism as the medium and imagination as the canvas (with insecurity looking over its shoulder saying, "Eh! You're doing it all wrong, idiot."

If you've received such evidence, and are neither deceived nor delusional, then I certainly envy you (or perhaps ignorance is bliss?). However, all data I've examined points to you being delusional.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bob_Dobbs,

we can say one of two things. either i'm schizophrenic in a way that happens to coincide with remarkable occurances on a regular basis, or the things that i have spent the past 5 years and in some ways my whole life studying and experiencing are real.
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Are you willing to seriously consider the fact that you are schizophrenic? I bet not (though, of course, you'll say that you are willing to do so).