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derek · Jun 30, 2007, 04:13 am

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I wonder something: Can you explain what Ayn Rand's philosophy was? Just informational purposes and Alan Watts?

Ayn Rand called her philosophy Objectivism
The starting point (as she would put it) is: "Existence exists—and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists."

There are some threads on here discussing it....

I don't personally call myself an Objectivist, because I'm still learning a lot about it. I can't really say I support everything that falls under that title yet (because I don't know it all). What I do love about Ayn Rand is that she actually builds her philosophy from the bottom up. I like how she uses evidence based on the world that we know. I hope to learn even more about her ideas soon.

and I love me some Alan Watts

**Matt W** · Jun 30, 2007, 04:42 am

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JesusGodHatesYa · Jul 2, 2007, 04:42 pm

Westboro Baptist, the ONLY RIGHT religion according to my religion.

BruceWillis · Jul 3, 2007, 12:54 pm

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and I love me some Alan Watts

hell yeah!

Soliloquy · Jul 4, 2007, 03:12 am

I don't really have that much information to really claim to be anything. I was baptized catholic but i don't know much about the Bible.

I believe that everyone and everything in existance is connected to each other and that the overall sense of the universe, the entity that holds us to this reality, maintains its own sort of checks and balances that keeps our rythm to life. The good and the evil, the bad and good luck, the karma that affects the whole living population. I don't believe in a man or a woman watching over us from clouds that decides the fate of humanity. I believe in an entity that presents itself to us in small kind gestures, in hope, and that it guides us when we believe.

a religion im not sure how to name, but i feel secure in its presence.

G-rant 17 · Jul 4, 2007, 03:14 pm

I'm agnostic. I don't think we as humans can understand why we exist or if there is a higher being. I don't think we were just 'placed' here on Earth. The only reason I'm not athiest is because, well... because we exist. and life exists. I mean, that's kinda wierd isn't it? so i think something is out there.

pikatore · Jul 4, 2007, 07:49 pm

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I'm agnostic. I don't think we as humans can understand why we exist or if there is a higher being. I don't think we were just 'placed' here on Earth. The only reason I'm not athiest is because, well... because we exist. and life exists. I mean, that's kinda wierd isn't it? so i think something is out there.

what? you mean aliens?

G-rant 17 · Jul 5, 2007, 10:08 pm

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what? you mean aliens?

That's a posibility. We could have been developed by aliens for all we know. We could be in a giant petri dish. And if we found out that we were placed here by aliens, then we would look at them as some sort of god. And that would totally disprove everyone's religion and belief on how we got here. But I'm not saying that i believe aliens created us, or brought us here, im just saying thats a possibility. its a theory. as well as how i look at religions in general. they are all possibilities. i sort of look at being agnostic as the same as being independant in politics.

freefallife · Jul 6, 2007, 01:01 am

I don't believe in the existence of god(s) and I think we're all apes

Crimsonking · Jul 6, 2007, 04:33 am

Ahh my religion,
technically, roman catholic, but I don't really believe in the catholic dogma much, but I do believe there is a God, and that he laid the blueprint for life, but I also believe in evolution, I just believe that God could be the big bang, the large thing that created the universe, and he was able to lay down what life was to turn into. I believe that the randomness of everything that would be needed for life is just mathematically close to impossible, in fact, in most types of statistics, it would be considered mathematically impossible.

G-rant 17 · Jul 6, 2007, 03:20 pm

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Ahh my religion,
technically, roman catholic, but I don't really believe in the catholic dogma much, but I do believe there is a God, and that he laid the blueprint for life, but I also believe in evolution, I just believe that God could be the big bang, the large thing that created the universe, and he was able to lay down what life was to turn into. I believe that the randomness of everything that would be needed for life is just mathematically close to impossible, in fact, in most types of statistics, it would be considered mathematically impossible.

I like that idea. and ive had that thought before. I would believe God, or a god-like figure created the universe. why would it just exist. it must exist for some reason.

pikatore · Jul 6, 2007, 05:54 pm

crimsonking, please elaborate on why the odds of us existing are so small, and (my main question), please tell me why it is more logically reasonable to assume the existence of a creator.

G-rant 17 · Jul 7, 2007, 03:48 pm

is anyone here a Scientologist?

Crimsonking · Jul 8, 2007, 04:21 am

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crimsonking, please elaborate on why the odds of us existing are so small, and (my main question), please tell me why it is more logically reasonable to assume the existence of a creator.

Haha, so I watch a lot of Discovery Channel. First, we are in literally the perfect position for temperature from the sun. We are, coincidentally enough, behind Jupiter and Saturn perfectly so that they intercept so many comets and asteroids that would instantly end all life on Earth as we know it. Our magnetic field and atmosphere are perfect so that we don't get ruined by the solar winds and such. Evolution progressed perfectly so that the biome is in good homeostasis which us humans are ruining (which is scientifically inevitable, but still).

Why I believe in a creator is in my opinion all that is too perfect to not have been influenced by a higher being of some sort, and there is too many unexplainable things. Beside that, the law of conservation of mass/energy (because in the end they are the same thing) makes the universe itself impossible, since the universe had to have come from somewhere. The Big Bang, the singularity, where did it come from? There needs to be some beginning, and imo, religion answers that.

Kamehameha34 · Jul 8, 2007, 04:47 am

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Haha, so I watch a lot of Discovery Channel. First, we are in literally the perfect position for temperature from the sun. We are, coincidentally enough, behind Jupiter and Saturn perfectly so that they intercept so many comets and asteroids that would instantly end all life on Earth as we know it. Our magnetic field and atmosphere are perfect so that we don't get ruined by the solar winds and such. Evolution progressed perfectly so that the biome is in good homeostasis which us humans are ruining (which is scientifically inevitable, but still).

Life evolved to fit the conditions, not the other way around.

pikatore · Jul 8, 2007, 08:31 am

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There needs to be some beginning, and imo, religion answers that.

I agree, religion does provide answers to questions that science can't reach. Whilst I have my reservations regarding the actual acceptance of these answers as truth, you have your point.

**Matt W** · Jul 8, 2007, 07:30 pm

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AldoTlaxcala · Aug 6, 2007, 03:32 am

I have been a registrant here for 45 minutes. Will some one message me and tell me of a better website for this kind of thing?

Jul 6, 2007, 05:54 pm	#1532 (permalink) (top)
pikatore A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,548	crimsonking, please elaborate on why the odds of us existing are so small, and (my main question), please tell me why it is more logically reasonable to assume the existence of a creator. "Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38

Jul 7, 2007, 03:48 pm	#1533 (permalink) (top)
G-rant 17 Molten Ash Location: San Clemente, CA Posts: 33	is anyone here a *Scientologist*? If sex is a pain in the ass, turn over. You're doing it wrong.

Jul 2, 2007, 04:42 pm	#1523 (permalink) (top)
JesusGodHatesYa BANNED Posts: 11	Westboro Baptist, the ONLY RIGHT religion according to my religion.

Jul 4, 2007, 03:12 am	#1525 (permalink) (top)
Soliloquy Molten Ash Posts: 29	I don't really have that much information to really claim to be anything. I was baptized catholic but i don't know much about the Bible. I believe that everyone and everything in existance is connected to each other and that the overall sense of the universe, the entity that holds us to this reality, maintains its own sort of checks and balances that keeps our rythm to life. The good and the evil, the bad and good luck, the karma that affects the whole living population. I don't believe in a man or a woman watching over us from clouds that decides the fate of humanity. I believe in an entity that presents itself to us in small kind gestures, in hope, and that it guides us when we believe. a religion im not sure how to name, but i feel secure in its presence.

Jul 4, 2007, 03:14 pm	#1526 (permalink) (top)
G-rant 17 Molten Ash Location: San Clemente, CA Posts: 33	I'm agnostic. I don't think we as humans can understand why we exist or if there is a higher being. I don't think we were just 'placed' here on Earth. The only reason I'm not athiest is because, well... because we exist. and life exists. I mean, that's kinda wierd isn't it? so i think something is out there.

Jul 6, 2007, 01:01 am	#1529 (permalink) (top)
freefallife Heaven? Try skydivin Posts: 433	I don't believe in the existence of god(s) and I think we're all apes

Jul 6, 2007, 04:33 am	#1530 (permalink) (top)
Crimsonking Molten Ash Posts: 47	Ahh my religion, technically, roman catholic, but I don't really believe in the catholic dogma much, but I do believe there is a God, and that he laid the blueprint for life, but I also believe in evolution, I just believe that God could be the big bang, the large thing that created the universe, and he was able to lay down what life was to turn into. I believe that the randomness of everything that would be needed for life is just mathematically close to impossible, in fact, in most types of statistics, it would be considered mathematically impossible.

Aug 6, 2007, 03:32 am	#1538 (permalink) (top)
AldoTlaxcala Aldo Jimenez Location: Tlaxcala, Mexico Posts: 3	I have been a registrant here for 45 minutes. Will some one message me and tell me of a better website for this kind of thing?