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againstthewind · Jun 14, 2007, 02:48 pm

To sum up mine is to say that I don't have a religion. It is a relationship. I commune with God daily and I have to admit, obedience is a point I must be stronger in. I would say that the Bible is the Word of God, the most unique literature and the most reasonable in answering origin, condition, salvation and destiny. I would also say that if it's not biblical I don't believe it and am very conservative in my views. I do believe that Christians should be involved in politics and society and in all aspects of society as well as in the community. Church is a place wherever the believer dwells, whether on Sunday or not.

pikatore · Jun 14, 2007, 04:22 pm

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I don't have a religion. It is a relationship.

Ah, I'm sorry, it is a religion. Call it what you like.

brisingr · Jun 14, 2007, 08:45 pm

I am agnostic because, well, i don't want to associate myself with any religion that tells me what to believe. im not atheist because i believe that their is a possibility of god being real. And just like one of my favorite quotes i've read, this is why i am agnostic. "I don't hate god, I just hate his fan club."

ZNFYRH · Jun 14, 2007, 09:36 pm

Nice quote.

Jamesmckinnley · Jun 15, 2007, 12:07 pm

"religion is the opiate of the masses, however without it one could only assume the morons that are religious would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, therefore it is a necessary opiate."

Partially quoted marxism

Passivist · Jun 15, 2007, 04:42 pm

I'm an atheist in the weak sense ("I don't believe in a god") or an agnostic in the weak sense ("I don't know whether there is a god"); I'm not sure whether we can actually know if there's a god, but heck, it is a bit unlikely. We laugh at thundergods or seagods, but still opt for an "almighty god" who controls both? If the existing god is the one of religious stories or characterizations, it is a self-contradictory or unreliable (let alone scientifically testable or falsifiable) god; if it is beyond our human imaginations, it becomes a meaningless god (nothing sensible can be said about it, for it doesn't do anything comprehensible, except, perhaps, just be there beyond the knowable).

I find religion (or: belief systems) much more interesting than a god.

Objectivist · Jun 16, 2007, 07:45 pm

I guess I'm technically an atheist. I don't know if God exists because I haven't perceived him. I haven't seen him, heard him, touched him, etc. If you can't sense something by my logic it doesn't exist.

A = A

Not

A =
[invisible A]

Jun 17, 2007, 02:05 am

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Ah, I'm sorry, it is a religion. Call it what you like.

No one commentated on your religion mate, so don't go challenging others beliefs systems. If I am wrong in this correct me, but I was under the assumption that this thread was in place to merely list your religion and what you believe, not have an assortment of God deniers commentate on the ways in which people with faith, view it.

**Jack** · Jun 17, 2007, 03:12 am

You're correct in that. We've asked several times that this thread not be used for debate. It's a "getting to know you" type thread. Please direct comments, challenges and debates to other threads.

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pikatore · Jun 18, 2007, 06:42 am

heh, fine. i'll follow it up with a thread.

i apologise for breaking the rules of this thread, but your 'noone commentated on your religion' bit implies that i should return the favor more generally. im sorry gamb, i don't think like that.

banko · Jun 22, 2007, 04:46 pm

I would have to say that I am buddhist. It seems to answer a lot of spiritual questions that I have had for years. I think spirituality is part of human nature, although, it is not possible to define it as it means something different to every single person out there.

derek · Jun 28, 2007, 02:29 am

In many ways I'd like to be a Socratesian.... or an Ayn Randian.... or a Jesusian.... sometimes an Alan Wattsian.....

I guess I don't have a specific religion. I can't really claim to support the whole entire doctorine of one of them. Lets call mine human. Now everybody is part of my religion

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againstthewind · Jun 29, 2007, 02:44 pm

I wonder something: Can you explain what Ayn Rand's philosophy was? Just informational purposes and Alan Watts?

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 04:36 pm

Proud Atheist and no amount of "Obeydiah 41 says your evil, mister" or "YOUR GOIN' TUR HELLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!" can change my mind so converters don't try it.

againstthewind · Jun 29, 2007, 05:27 pm

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Proud Atheist and no amount of "Obeydiah 41 says your evil, mister" or "YOUR GOIN' TUR HELLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!" can change my mind so converters don't try it.

It's apparent that you don't know much about the Bible, because Obadiah doesn't have anything close to 41 verses, let alone chapters (21 verses to be exact) just a little humor there--I dont want this to steam into a debate since that was not the intention but I found your reference to Obadiah funny or more precisely Obeydiah 41

**Matt W** · Jun 29, 2007, 05:32 pm

Once more, this is not a place to debate yours or other peoples' religion. There is a whole forum full of threads dedicated to it - move on. :rolleyes:

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againstthewind · Jun 29, 2007, 05:34 pm

That is why I had the disclaimer in the midst of the letter, saying that I didn't want to turn it into the debate. That was the purpose of it,

Dr.Debate · Jun 29, 2007, 06:30 pm

I'm a Protestant Christian. I'm non-denominational, so I'm not "Lutheran" or "Baptist" or what not. However, I am also very logical and scientific. I believe in evolution, that the age of the universe is in the billions, and most other things the scientific community believes in. If you are confused about this, please ask and I'll try to explain, I'm just not currently in the mood to write a book. =)

pikatore · Jun 29, 2007, 06:42 pm

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It's apparent that you don't know much about the Bible, because Obadiah doesn't have anything close to 41 verses, let alone chapters (21 verses to be exact) just a little humor there--I dont want this to steam into a debate since that was not the intention but I found your reference to Obadiah funny or more precisely Obeydiah 41

Um, did his point COMPLETELY fly over your head??

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 06:51 pm

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It's apparent that you don't know much about the Bible, because Obadiah doesn't have anything close to 41 verses, let alone chapters (21 verses to be exact) just a little humor there--I dont want this to steam into a debate since that was not the intention but I found your reference to Obadiah funny or more precisely Obeydiah 41

I didn't know there was an Obadiah. I was trying to be funny by putting in "Obey" and the much overused suffix "diah" and make up a fictional Bible verse. And know I'm not trying to start a debate (Even though these are debate forums), I was protecting myself from the converters.

Jun 15, 2007, 04:42 pm	#1506 (permalink) (top)
Passivist Molten Ash Location: Groningen Posts: 30	I'm an atheist in the weak sense ("I don't believe in a god") or an agnostic in the weak sense ("I don't know whether there is a god"); I'm not sure whether we can actually know if there's a god, but heck, it is a bit unlikely. We laugh at thundergods or seagods, but still opt for an "almighty god" who controls both? If the existing god is the one of religious stories or characterizations, it is a self-contradictory or unreliable (let alone scientifically testable or falsifiable) god; if it is beyond our human imaginations, it becomes a meaningless god (nothing sensible can be said about it, for it doesn't do anything comprehensible, except, perhaps, just be there beyond the knowable). I find religion (or: belief systems) much more interesting than a god. Self-deception does not alter truth.

Jun 16, 2007, 07:45 pm	#1507 (permalink) (top)
Objectivist Immovable Location: Montana Posts: 200	I guess I'm technically an atheist. I don't know if God exists because I haven't perceived him. I haven't seen him, heard him, touched him, etc. If you can't sense something by my logic it doesn't exist. A = A Not A = [invisible A] "Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and of greatness should be waiting for us in our graves. . .or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth." From Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Jun 18, 2007, 06:42 am	#1510 (permalink) (top)
pikatore A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,556	heh, fine. i'll follow it up with a thread. i apologise for breaking the rules of this thread, but your 'noone commentated on your religion' bit implies that i should return the favor more generally. im sorry gamb, i don't think like that. "Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38

Jun 22, 2007, 04:46 pm	#1511 (permalink) (top)
banko Igneous Magma Posts: 226	I would have to say that I am buddhist. It seems to answer a lot of spiritual questions that I have had for years. I think spirituality is part of human nature, although, it is not possible to define it as it means something different to every single person out there. For every man who lives without freedom, the rest of us must face the guilt ---Lillian Hellman, The Watch on the Rhine, 1941

Jun 29, 2007, 04:36 pm	#1514 (permalink) (top)
Bnet505 Athelib Posts: 224	Proud Atheist and no amount of "Obeydiah 41 says your evil, mister" or "YOUR GOIN' TUR HELLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!" can change my mind so converters don't try it. Pray for me, I'll think for you. No Belief In: God, restriction of civil liberties, recycling, monogamy, extremism, prejudice, Apple and Microsoft, War on Drugs, Annoying online people, The war

Jun 14, 2007, 02:48 pm	#1501 (permalink) (top)
againstthewind Molten Ash Posts: 132	To sum up mine is to say that I don't have a religion. It is a relationship. I commune with God daily and I have to admit, obedience is a point I must be stronger in. I would say that the Bible is the Word of God, the most unique literature and the most reasonable in answering origin, condition, salvation and destiny. I would also say that if it's not biblical I don't believe it and am very conservative in my views. I do believe that Christians should be involved in politics and society and in all aspects of society as well as in the community. Church is a place wherever the believer dwells, whether on Sunday or not.

Jun 14, 2007, 08:45 pm	#1503 (permalink) (top)
brisingr Sedimentary Rock Posts: 5	I am agnostic because, well, i don't want to associate myself with any religion that tells me what to believe. im not atheist because i believe that their is a possibility of god being real. And just like one of my favorite quotes i've read, this is why i am agnostic. "I don't hate god, I just hate his fan club."

Jun 14, 2007, 09:36 pm	#1504 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Nice quote.

Jun 15, 2007, 12:07 pm	#1505 (permalink) (top)
Jamesmckinnley DuDe Posts: 21	"religion is the opiate of the masses, however without it one could only assume the morons that are religious would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, therefore it is a necessary opiate." Partially quoted marxism

Jun 28, 2007, 02:29 am	#1512 (permalink) (top)
derek What do you think? Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 24	In many ways I'd like to be a Socratesian.... or an Ayn Randian.... or a Jesusian.... sometimes an Alan Wattsian..... I guess I don't have a specific religion. I can't really claim to support the whole entire doctorine of one of them. Lets call mine human. Now everybody is part of my religion (to help support Derek's religion, please send check or money order to his mailing adress)

Jun 29, 2007, 02:44 pm	#1513 (permalink) (top)
againstthewind Molten Ash Posts: 132	I wonder something: Can you explain what Ayn Rand's philosophy was? Just informational purposes and Alan Watts?

Jun 29, 2007, 05:34 pm	#1517 (permalink) (top)
againstthewind Molten Ash Posts: 132	The rebuke lol That is why I had the disclaimer in the midst of the letter, saying that I didn't want to turn it into the debate. That was the purpose of it,

Jun 29, 2007, 06:30 pm	#1518 (permalink) (top)
Dr.Debate Republican Christian Location: Florida Posts: 27	I'm a Protestant Christian. I'm non-denominational, so I'm not "Lutheran" or "Baptist" or what not. However, I am also very logical and scientific. I believe in evolution, that the age of the universe is in the billions, and most other things the scientific community believes in. If you are confused about this, please ask and I'll try to explain, I'm just not currently in the mood to write a book. =) Vote Republican 2008!