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May 31, 2007, 02:46 pm
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| BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731 | Miracles such as fulfilled prophecies are direct evidence. If Jesus says He's God and then tells you what is going to happen in the future and it comes to pass then that is direct evidence that He is speaking the truth. Prophecy is evidence. |
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May 31, 2007, 02:56 pm
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| Igneous Magma  Posts: 332 | In order for it to be direct evidence, you would have had to see Jesus make the prophecy, and then see the prophecy come true. Since you have seen neither, I think it's safe to say that your evidence is circumstantial, and your belief is just that. Edit: I see that this post is a bit sketchy. By "seeing" evidence, I mean being able to verify it directly, which texasdave obviously cannot do, since there is little to no direct evidence for the existence of Jesus himself. And since we can't definitively say that Jesus existed, we clearly cannot say that his words are prophecy. The Jews may or may not have been free or wandered or whatever, but how do we know that it was a prophecy? |
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May 31, 2007, 02:59 pm
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  Moderator  Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,769 | iclaudius, go play somewhere else. This is, in effect, a 'get to know you' thread.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes. | |
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May 31, 2007, 03:06 pm
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| Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,769 | That 'go play somewhere else' includes you too, texasdave. Let others post about their religion without your debate going on. There's a whole forum out there - go explore. 
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes. | |
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Jun 1, 2007, 09:24 pm
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 Zolbuj  Location: California Posts: 1,267 | I'm an agnostic, borderline-atheist. Why am I not a full blown atheist? While I personally feel that it is highly probable that atheism is correct, it is not testable by the scientific method for the same reason that religion is not. True atheism requires a certain level of faith that would make me, at a personal level, feel hypocritical. I also don't feel any need to consistently condemn and disprove the world religions. Religion has led to a lot of good and I find that religion from an etic perspective to be an enjoyable study. I do, however, grow tired of ethnocentric religious doctrine, especially those hellbent on converting and conquering. |
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Jun 3, 2007, 03:46 am
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 Air Guitar Hero  Location: Canada Posts: 107 | I'd call myself "acrostic". I acknowledge a higher power (who, depending on my mood, I'll call either Hendrix or 'some guy named Stan'), I just don't care. I'll be on this planet for less than a hundred years, and I doubt the actions I do there will dondemn me for all eternity. When I debate religion, it's never the idea of a higher power or that there's something we can't understand right now. Instead, I criticise organised religion and what it's done. But not the beliefs themselves. "People always associate long hair with drug use. I wish long hair was associated with something other than drug use, like an extreme longing for cake." ~Mitch Hedberg |
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Jun 8, 2007, 03:58 pm
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| Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1 | I was "born Catholic", and attended private Catholic schools until I graduated high school. My belief is that God almost certainly does not exist. The study of evolution and the nature of the cosmos make religion seem absurd and elementary to me. I believe that man created God in his image and I find it to be illogical to postulate an intelligence similar to that of evolved humans as the origin of the universe. |
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Jun 12, 2007, 01:37 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | I know that there is a God. I can not prove such a statement, for fear of the flame war that would ensue. I believe in his teachings, his wisdom, his power and his grace. I would like to say that I am a follower of Jesus Christ, but I am indeed a great sinner. I am one that does not always repent, and one that feels that my falls are the actions of God. I usually think that when I lose things, get sick, get into trouble, etc is because God is trying to tell me something, or that he is punishing me for such wrong doing. I know in my heart that God does not do such things, and that it must be the power of the devil that most certainly does exist. I would tell most people that it is fine for one to not believe in heaven, but it is such a great fall for them to not believe in hell. To sum up my religion I would like to say that I regularly attend church. A non-denominational church in Tennessee. I don't believe it is necessary to attend church to be considered a Christian, or to achieve the bliss of being with the king for all of eternity, but as my minister said in a recent sermon, "I can find no fault in such a thing." I respect everyone's opinion to believe what they wish, but part of being a Christian is to bring others to the faith so I would wish that everyone would follow Jesus. Heaven is a place where eternity is spent with the creator. Hell is a place where eternity is spent without the creator. The aforementioned contains hoy and harmony, where as the other is cold and contains the gnashing of teeth. No lakes of fire, or other visual aids. One should follow the Lord, and be good. Teach others to be good and follow the Lord, and then what wrong can come of that? My religion as I would like it to be can be best expressed by saying. Teach your religion to everyone, and if necessary use words. Lead. And they will Follow. |
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Jun 13, 2007, 05:53 am
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| Hellsea  Location: Germany Posts: 289 | I am a neutral. I can understand all religious groups equally. I don't put down any religion just because they have faith. In my mind All POWER TO THEM:) If there is something I don't agree on, it's simply a matter of "Agree to disagree." The same goes for Athiests. I understand their views and won't say anything against how they believe. What matters is what the believer believes and nothing else. "I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job." * Margaret Thatcher |
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Jun 13, 2007, 09:23 pm
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| A Celestial Monkey  Location: In England Posts: 1,613 | I'm going to restate my position, because I'm bored. I am a weak atheist. I apply scienctific and logical reasoning to all claims and theories within reason. To claim a god exists, in my honest opinion, falls outside the area of conventional reason, hence, I treat such a claim as unreasonable. My closing statement? Believe what you want. But don't chase fairytales. "Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38 |
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Jun 13, 2007, 09:31 pm
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Jun 13, 2007, 09:43 pm
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| A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,613 | Quote:
"Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38 | |
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Jun 13, 2007, 11:59 pm
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| Zolbuj Location: California Posts: 1,267 | Quote:
"Iron rusts from disuse; water loses its purity from stagnation... even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind. " - Da Vinci | |
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