Your Religion

[Paul]

HITLER = LOVE??? ["hitler ruled with love for his master race"] I very much disagree. Hitler may had a pretence of love for self-gain when convenient. A ruler that loves his people would never have behaved as Hitler did. He was a disgrace to his own people and the world. He was not a mentor of LOVE to anyone.

"It was Adolf Hitler, the world’s most notrious dictator, who told us that The great mass of people … will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one."

Peace be with you, Paul

[Gorgo]

Yes, Hitler thought he was doing god's work.

I'm an atheist. Religion is insanity.

reality is insanity. a world of arbitrary laws you're tossed into without asking, a trip you are on without any provocation, and an inescapable doom of eternal blankness and non-existence once the party is over. where is the origin of your consciousness? are you nothing more than filthy senseless chemicals?

you should kill yourself out of mercy. just kidding eh paco.

hitler was delusional. especially near the end. he was the best dictator the world has ever known tho.

[Gorgo]

Nothing less, either.

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, are you nothing more than filthy senseless chemicals?

[PhanthomOps]

Well here we are straying from the original question posted:

Maybe we should read it again and get back on topic.

"What is your religious affiliation, why, and what conclusions have you come to about your own religion. Do you accept other ones? If not why... "

[Gorgo]

By the way, this is a good example that people create god(s) out of a need to gain self-worth. If all we are is an evolved form of accidental mix of stuff, then life is not good enough. We need to create a god in order to give this person's life worth.

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, reality is insanity. a world of arbitrary laws you're tossed into without asking, a trip you are on without any provocation, and an inescapable doom of eternal blankness and non-existence once the party is over. where is the origin of your consciousness? are you nothing more than filthy senseless chemicals?

[Comrade]

I am atheistic in a relatively benign way. I have no problem with religion, I say "under God" in the pledge, stuff like that.
It's about respect, but not many people want to believe that.

[Haethurn]

Originally posted by Gorgo, Yes, Hitler thought he was doing god's work. I'm an atheist. Religion is insanity.

What lies militant/disgruntled atheists believe in! Hitler was undoubtedly an atheist. He is quoted as saying that Christianity is "an invention of the Jews." He didn't think that he was doing God's work. He didn't think that God existed. He may have went so far as to make other people think that he was doing God's work, but I seriously doubt he even made that little effort. If he did it was only to appease the masses. If Hitler had won World War II he would have phased out religion in a few decades and we would all be militant atheists eating sauerkraut and speaking German today.

Religion is not insanity. It is a perfectly valid way of explaining the meaning of life. If you honestly think it is insane, you are much worse off than the ridiculously stereotyped inquisitors that in your mind represent all religions and all their adherents.

[Haethurn]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, reality is insanity. a world of arbitrary laws you're tossed into without asking, a trip you are on without any provocation, and an inescapable doom of eternal blankness and non-existence once the party is over. where is the origin of your consciousness? are you nothing more than filthy senseless chemicals? you should kill yourself out of mercy. just kidding eh paco. hitler was delusional. especially near the end. he was the best dictator the world has ever known tho.

Hardly. There have been many monarchs that ruled their subjects with fairness. Hitler failed at everything because he was a syphilitic psychopath with outrageous, racist ideals.

[Gorgo]

You mean in your mind. I have no such sterotype.

[quote=Haethurn,]

Quote by: Gorgo, you are much worse off than the ridiculously stereotyped inquisitors that in your mind represent all religions and all their adherents.

[Haethurn]

Originally posted by Gorgo, You mean in your mind. I have no such sterotype.

Hardly so. It is clear that your understanding of religions leaves quite a lot to be desired.

[PhanthomOps]

Haethurn,

Excellent comments - Welcome aboard. :)

[Paul]

My Belief: --- CHRISTIANITY? --- The foundation of CHRISTIANITY comes from the Damascus Road Event. The one that came Saul/St.Paul as angel of light saying, "I am the Jesus of Nazareth" was not Jesus, but the evil one in disguise. Yet, I believe in the Jesus that written about in the 4 gospels. Most all christians today, believe that the Jesus of the Damascus Road Event and the Jesus of the gospels are same one, but I say that the Jesus that came to Saul is a false Christ.

Christians do not accept me because of my belief. Yet I believe in the words of JESUS that spoke of the kingdom to come, which is kingdom of LOVE. JESUS = LOVE

Peace be with you, Paul

[Gorgo]

Was Hitler an atheist or a theist? Who cares? A good article.


http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/featur...9/violence.html

Hitler was NOT an atheist:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/...urphy_19_2.html

[Gorgo]

Jesus probably never existed. If he did, who cares?

i like jesus because he taught some good lessons about getting along and how society oughta work. i am as much a son of god as he is, my definition at least.

i didn't make up god. god made up me. i didn't go find god, god found me. although i did ask god to show me whats up. the next day god showed up through a new person and we talked for 14 hours about many new things and the secrets of the universe.

[Gorgo]

Why Jesus?

http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/?t=jesus.txt

[PhanthomOps]

Bob_Dobbs,

"i like jesus because he taught some good lessons about getting along and how society oughta work. i am as much a son of god as he is, my definition at least.

"i didn't make up god. god made up me. i didn't go find god, god found me. although i did ask god to show me whats up. the next day god showed up through a new person and we talked for 14 hours about many new things and the secrets of the universe."

I agree 101% - Are you still in touch with that person??


Gorgo,

"Why Jesus?"

Why not?????????????????????

[Gorgo]

You just told me that you need god because you would be worthless without the idea. You created your own imaginary personal version of god to fill that imaginary void.

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, i didn't make up god. god made up me.

[Disinvented]

I left Xtianity behind a long time ago, realizing that I was a Xtian because it was the culturally normal (and respectable) thing to do. I never really believed it, lived it, or supported it's intolerant and tall-tale-ish doctrine, though I was in church at service or volunteering five days a week. For every piece of altruism in the bible, there are 10 pieces of wickedness, from the lips of the self-proclaimed righteous prophets, from the anonymous contributor to Jesus H. Christ himself.

Buddhism is by far the wisest "religion" I've encountered, though I could never stomach some of the romanticisms. Like theists, they make a lot of assumptions about the nature of existence that are unsupported by sound premises. A few sects believe in deification, some in reincarnation, and all in the fact that all suffering should be avoided. I understand their existential beliefs fully (that the universe is a continually changing state, without inherent definition), and their assertion that life is without meaning, but they ignore the fact that suffering is sometimes worth it.

For the past ten years I've been in the process, along with a diverse group of committed collaborators, of developing a solid, rational philosophy. We've started a "church" (for tax purposes), but our purpose is not to recruit or start a movement or in any way spead our philosphy. In fact, it's not allowed. Most people have too much cognitive dissonance to break away from culturally established norms. As such, when we find someone who is "free" enough, psychologically, we invite them to take an interest in (though not yet join in) the project. We set out only to better develop our philosophy for ourselves. It is based on the fundamental principle that says:

"All instances of order are merely illusions resulting from transient patterns that inevitably decay, governed by physical laws. All instances of chaos are merely illusions resulting from complex behavior governed by physical laws. Both states eventually return to a state of inertness, devoid of complex order or chaos; a state of zero energy (Zero State)."

This concept, which is more-or-less the law of entropy, a fundamental principle of thermodynamics, is equally a scientifically sound foundation for existentialism/ nihilism: between the illusions of order and chaos lies nothingness: zeroness: the Zero State. From this fundamental principle, we've developed 8 core concepts; each has an extrinsic principle and an intrinsic principle associated with it. These 8 concepts are: Existentialism, Libertarianism (the philosophy, not the political party), Anarchism, Skepticism, Egoism, Minimalism, Rationalism, Active Awareness.

We have no doctrine, except a thorough description of the concepts/principles, though we have compiled a list of historical and modern literature that happens to support the concepts/principles (reading such literature, however, is not compulsory). We have no rules or commandment save one: that we don't think or behave in a matter outside the principles (i.e., supernaturalism, romanticism, etc (not because it's wrong, but because it doesn't serve the project).

We call it Zeroism. Send me a message if you'd like to know more.