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[Captain Chaos]

Here is a better site for explaining modern deism:

Deism Defined

[LtMisha]

I'm a Christian Communist and I belive that Jesus lived a Commie lifestyle. Read the Bible, It's all there. The thing on Armageddon (Shudder) decrees that if you share stuff, you are gaining brownie points with God. If you read the proper Hebrew Bible, it says you dont have to accept the whole 7-days-creation thing, It says that the 7 days could be months, years, centuries. Or if you like, millions of years. Just like Darwins theory of evolution. A bit of Divine Defence there.

Spread the Communist Love, man.
LtMisha. They don't make commies like they used to.

[arielmessenger]

Gone are the days when God cannot be explained clearly to human beings. We are God only God at a very young and immature stage in the time-space continuum. That is why the Abrahamic religions contain the concept of "We" and "Us" in the Godhead even though God is thought to be a great Singularity. It is a major clue in the ancient texts as to the identity of God which could only become understood after the concept of evolution and species change was introduced into the world.

[namguy69]

Quote by: LtMisha I'm a Christian Communist and I belive that Jesus lived a Commie lifestyle. Read the Bible, It's all there. The thing on Armageddon (Shudder) decrees that if you share stuff, you are gaining brownie points with God. If you read the proper Hebrew Bible, it says you dont have to accept the whole 7-days-creation thing, It says that the 7 days could be months, years, centuries. Or if you like, millions of years. Just like Darwins theory of evolution. A bit of Divine Defence there. Spread the Communist Love, man. LtMisha. They don't make commies like they used to.

Yes, no one including science can calculate just what was ' 7 ' days actually were then.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: arielmessenger Gone are the days when God cannot be explained clearly to human beings. We are God only God at a very young and immature stage in the time-space continuum. That is why the Abrahamic religions contain the concept of "We" and "Us" in the Godhead even though God is thought to be a great Singularity. It is a major clue in the ancient texts as to the identity of God which could only become understood after the concept of evolution and species change was introduced into the world.

So...

It sounds like you are saying that, given enough time, God (or a god, at any rate), would evolve into existence?


And, by the way, deism is very different from agnosticism. I believe deism is a more rational conclusion than agnosticism.

[ZNFYRH]

Captain Chaos,

The only reference I'm really interested in is you. Describe what you believe, in your own words. I can promise that I will get a better sense of it than reading a Wiki article.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Captain Chaos, The only reference I'm really interested in is you. Describe what you believe, in your own words. I can promise that I will get a better sense of it than reading a Wiki article.

Oh, OK, sure...

I think that, given forever, and given a multiverse, a self-sustaining supreme being is likely to emerge. Once such a being emerges, you will cease to have independent trials (in a probability and statistics sense). A self-sustaining being will maintain its position at the top. What's more, wherever you lie in the outermost dimension of time, the moment of that being's emergence will always lie in the past.

I call this argument "infinite emergence" and I believe it is an effective counter to multiverse arguments against apparent fine tuning.


The thing is, God, if he exists, is not making himself obvious and apparent. This means that either God does not exist, is not able to do make himself apparent, or does not wish to do so.

The latter makes the most sense to me. It is only without obvious and direct input from God that we will pursue our own destiny and create our own moral and philosophical systems.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Captain Chaos So... It sounds like you are saying that, given enough time, God (or a god, at any rate), would evolve into existence? And, by the way, deism is very different from agnosticism. I believe deism is a more rational conclusion than agnosticism.

No, I didn't say that.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: namguy69 No, I didn't say that.

I didn't say you did.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Captain Chaos I didn't say you did.

Cool.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: namguy69 Cool.

I quoted ArielMessenger in that post. My response, which followed the quote, was to him.

[pikatore]

Quote by: Captain Chaos The latter makes the most sense to me. It is only without obvious and direct input from God that we will pursue our own destiny and create our own moral and philosophical systems.

That's silly. God or no god, we as humans are perfectly capable of philosophy and moral thought.

That's a copout, addressing that fact that there is no real sign that a divine being is influencing us, using that as support for a gods existence. please.

[pikatore]

Quote by: arielmessenger Gone are the days when God cannot be explained clearly to human beings. We are God only God at a very young and immature stage in the time-space continuum. That is why the Abrahamic religions contain the concept of "We" and "Us" in the Godhead even though God is thought to be a great Singularity. It is a major clue in the ancient texts as to the identity of God which could only become understood after the concept of evolution and species change was introduced into the world.

Oh... not again...

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: pikatore That's silly. God or no god, we as humans are perfectly capable of philosophy and moral thought. That's a copout, addressing that fact that there is no real sign that a divine being is influencing us, using that as support for a gods existence. please.

No, absence is not a sign. Apparent fine tuning is a sign. Absence, however, is obviously necessary, with just a little thought.

I believe you are partly mistaken in the first sentence. If we knew, without doubt, that paradise awaited us - then why would we stick it out on Earth when times got really bad? If we could communicate with a supreme being whenever we wanted, then why would we bother figuring things out for ourselves?

You think humans would not fail to think on their own in the presence of an absolute moral authority? That's silly. It is also a convenient claim, because you do not have to bother backing it up. My point, on the other hand, is easily supported by history. Our history shows a horrible tendency for humans to fail to think for themselves, and just turn to God's so-called representatives on Earth. Imagine how much worse it would be if the real thing showed up!

No, if God doesn't want to play nanny to us, he has to leave us alone.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: pikatore That's silly. God or no god, we as humans are perfectly capable of philosophy and moral thought. That's a copout, addressing that fact that there is no real sign that a divine being is influencing us, using that as support for a gods existence. please.

I dunno, we f--k things up on a daily basis.

[Century 25]

Atheism is a lot like pregnancy.. you iz or you ain't.. if you are an atheist you have no doubts re: a deity.. likewise.. if you are pregnant.. no doubts..

Agnostics.. and those that THINK they are preggers.. are wanna-bees.. lol.. In any case.. there is no such thing as a "weak" atheist..

And.. Captain Chaos said:

I think freely. My opinion is formed on the basis of reason and logic, quite independent of authority, and this has had led me to deism, not atheism or agnosticism.

That is actually quite the non sequitur.. "reason & logic" have no possible connections with.. deism..

[Zee-Axis]

Atheist.

...and frankly, a little tired of the honeybee-dance that most fringe religious folk do around around the whole topic. I hav'nt posted or visited in quite a while, (although I frequently read the email updates on certain threads), so, this might actually be a topic for a new thread but, bare with me for a moment.

What is it in the human fiber that makes so many of us feel that we must find a god-belief-system and give it a name? Is it the promise of the ultimate payoff in the afterlife or that it makes most people feel like they are better than those that don't share their beliefs?

Before everyone gets all snippy, think about it for a few moments.
It pretty-much boils down to one or the other or both.

"Don't pray in my schools and, I won't think in your church"
Anonymous

[pikatore]

ok thats it. im sick of people, who out of ignorance, claim that weak atheism doesnt exist.

allow me to start a thread on weak atheism to enlighten you.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Century That is actually quite the non sequitur.. "reason & logic" have no possible connections with.. deism..

No, you just don't understand the reasoning involved. I am willing to bet your entire belief system is based on assuming that any materialist explanation, no matter how far-fetched it might seem, and how much it might depend upon the occurrence of unlikely events, is still superior to an explanation that involves super-powered creators or a reality that is a superset of this one.

I find that both religious types and atheists basically assume their belief to be true until proven false. Are you different from this?

[gw120]

I'm an atheist. I believe man made god out of ignorance and fear.