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Gods_Mercenary · Jan 26, 2007, 03:48 pm

Cetainly, although I'm guessing he attends church at least some of the time, which would at least inform him of some things. Anyway, any Catholic that wants to know what his church believes has the luxury of having a church that publishes all its beliefs in various documents.

jmkelley · Jan 28, 2007, 05:11 pm

I am an agnostic.

arielmessenger · Jan 28, 2007, 09:10 pm

My own gnostic Christian solitary path of which I am prophet, priest, pastor, and congregation all in one. But God has told me to share it so I do.

But not long ago I became the prophesy bearer of another religion, a Universal Abrahamic one called the Religion of Peace. It is not Muhammad's Islam which falsely claims that title. Muslims, however, are to play a major part in the Religion of Peace as it is up to them to accept or reject God's Gift to humanity that is to be installed where God as peace was first worshipped in the world, at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Right now the Gift resides in Nazareth where at Easter of 2003 over 500 Arab Christians and Muslims too honored it. It's a long story but one that shows how a new Abrahamic religion is developing in our modern times. I will be posting more on it soon.

**Jack** · Jan 28, 2007, 10:55 pm

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I will be posting more on it soon.

I hope you're prepared for the responses you'll get.

Scribbler1 · Jan 28, 2007, 11:03 pm

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My own gnostic Christian solitary path of which I am prophet, priest, pastor, and congregation all in one. But God has told me to share it so I do.

Offbeat, to say the least. However, I think its pretty cool to believe in yourself that much.

And you have the added benefit of being the entirety of your religion. Nobody can argue with you as much as with big-time religion.

Captain Chaos · Jan 29, 2007, 09:57 am

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My own gnostic Christian solitary path of which I am prophet, priest, pastor, and congregation all in one. But God has told me to share it so I do.

But not long ago I became the prophesy bearer of another religion, a Universal Abrahamic one called the Religion of Peace. It is not Muhammad's Islam which falsely claims that title. Muslims, however, are to play a major part in the Religion of Peace as it is up to them to accept or reject God's Gift to humanity that is to be installed where God as peace was first worshipped in the world, at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Right now the Gift resides in Nazareth where at Easter of 2003 over 500 Arab Christians and Muslims too honored it. It's a long story but one that shows how a new Abrahamic religion is developing in our modern times. I will be posting more on it soon.

Would you care for a one-on-one discussion regarding your beliefs?

pikatore · Jan 29, 2007, 12:31 pm

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My own gnostic Christian solitary path of which I am prophet, priest, pastor, and congregation all in one. But God has told me to share it so I do.

But not long ago I became the prophesy bearer of another religion, a Universal Abrahamic one called the Religion of Peace. It is not Muhammad's Islam which falsely claims that title. Muslims, however, are to play a major part in the Religion of Peace as it is up to them to accept or reject God's Gift to humanity that is to be installed where God as peace was first worshipped in the world, at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Right now the Gift resides in Nazareth where at Easter of 2003 over 500 Arab Christians and Muslims too honored it. It's a long story but one that shows how a new Abrahamic religion is developing in our modern times. I will be posting more on it soon.

Thanks for that. I haven't laughed in a couple of days. This really cheered me up, thanks again

Captain Chaos · Jan 29, 2007, 01:12 pm

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Thanks for that. I haven't laughed in a couple of days. This really cheered me up, thanks again

Whether or not you agree with his beliefs, you have to admit it takes a great deal of intellectual courage to pursue such a belief. We will have to see if he possesses the intellectual courage to alter his beliefs if they do not hold up under scrutiny.

arielmessenger · Jan 29, 2007, 04:34 pm

Either they are branded crazy or heretics. Yet the world moves on the words of prophets.

I have opened up my website where all my religious, social and environmental activism is posted. I expect the usual put-downs but hope some members here are willing to look beyond their prejudices and see a unique phenomena rarely made public before the death of the prophesy bearer. Here is a chance to talk directly to someone who has gone through the Abrahamic prophet experience. It would be educational if those who don't agree curb their hostility and ask pertinent questions before trying to tear down the new vision with intellectually useless slander. That would be a modern change but I'm not holding my breath waiting to see it here where atheism seems the more dominant forum position.

arielmessenger · Jan 29, 2007, 04:36 pm

Please go to The Gospel of Arielmessenger to see the full story of a modern prophesy bearer.

Captain Chaos · Jan 29, 2007, 04:51 pm

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Either they are branded crazy or heretics. Yet the world moves on the words of prophets.

I have opened up my website where all my religious, social and environmental activism is posted. I expect the usual put-downs but hope some members here are willing to look beyond their prejudices and see a unique phenomena rarely made public before the death of the prophesy bearer. Here is a chance to talk directly to someone who has gone through the Abrahamic prophet experience. It would be educational if those who don't agree curb their hostility and ask pertinent questions before trying to tear down the new vision with intellectually useless slander. That would be a modern change but I'm not holding my breath waiting to see it here where atheism seems the more dominant forum position.

I will debate you honestly.

In your capacity as a prophet, do you possess the ability to make verifiable predictions about future events?

Amolibri · Jan 29, 2007, 04:55 pm

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I thought for years if no one prayed before every meal, they would go to hell, anyone that did'nt believe in Jesus was evil.
It took me about ten years to shake it off.
Jesus said follow me and you will have eternal life, he didnt say you had no choice.

Hello friends,
Haven't been around in quite a long time...so I read a few of the religion posts...and what strikes me is the feeling that to belong to an organized religion (like catholicism) you are bullied into believing what they tell you.
I've been a catholic all my life...and have aligned myself with progressive and peace-loving catholics...and any other peace lovers. It has given me much spiritual support. Orgs. like PaxChristi and Alliance of Catholics for the Common Good, Voice of the Faithful and others...do Christ's work, in my opinion...and I am fortunate to have found them, and to be a part of them. If the RC hierarchy wants to "excommunicate" such groups...it doesn't bother me a bit. Yes, we are free (contrary to those who believe that Christians are being "prohibited from practicing their faith"....look carefully at the US, and why it has been (mostly) a country of FREEDOM of religion). It's as simple as maintaining that we have NO state religion! Period. I'll get down off my soapbox now! ;o).

arielmessenger · Jan 29, 2007, 05:19 pm

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I will debate you honestly.

In your capacity as a prophet, do you possess the ability to make verifiable predictions about future events?

In some instances, yes, I do predict future events, e.g. I am predicting the demise of several traditional religions (and atheism!) due to historical discovery and science overturning cherished mythologies. But seeing this in our lifetimes is not something I can say will take place. I believe Israel will fold and a new Republic of Canaan will eventually replace it and "Palestine".

In one of my earliest visions I happened to predict the now verified theory that birds are direct descendants from the dinosaurs. Please go to Original Biomystical Religious Experience and scroll down to the revelations section. This account btw, contains for me evidence that Muhammad, while getting many things wrong, was truly inspired by God. He, like me, sweated a great deal when the revelations came to him in mystical communion. I go into a kind of "fugue state" its called whenever a major religious visionary period strikes me. I have witnesses to this phenomena who can verify it having seen me in such periods and seeing the resultant new revelations. And like Muhammad, I am convinced an angel of God is guiding me, Ariel the Angel of Peace, the Angel of Jerusalem. (see Isaiah 29)

Here are some more general prophesies from my online book, Biomystical Christianity. Please go to Paxman Prophesies

GHook93 · Jan 29, 2007, 07:44 pm

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Thanks for that. I haven't laughed in a couple of days. This really cheered me up, thanks again

Damn pikatore I actually agree with you. That was worth a good laugh.

notworthabean · Jan 29, 2007, 07:57 pm

my faith is "conservtive judiasm" but I am rosh hashahan/yom kippur/passover jew, I don't keep kosher well and am dating a non-jew, but I wouldn't convert and am pretty firm in my beliefs.

pikatore · Jan 29, 2007, 08:00 pm

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In some instances, yes, I do predict future events, e.g. I am predicting the demise of several traditional religions (and atheism!) due to historical discovery and science overturning cherished mythologies. But seeing this in our lifetimes is not something I can say will take place. I believe Israel will fold and a new Republic of Canaan will eventually replace it and "Palestine".

In one of my earliest visions I happened to predict the now verified theory that birds are direct descendants from the dinosaurs. Please go to Original Biomystical Religious Experience and scroll down to the revelations section. This account btw, contains for me evidence that Muhammad, while getting many things wrong, was truly inspired by God. He, like me, sweated a great deal when the revelations came to him in mystical communion. I go into a kind of "fugue state" its called whenever a major religious visionary period strikes me. I have witnesses to this phenomena who can verify it having seen me in such periods and seeing the resultant new revelations. And like Muhammad, I am convinced an angel of God is guiding me, Ariel the Angel of Peace, the Angel of Jerusalem. (see Isaiah 29)

Here are some more general prophesies from my online book, Biomystical Christianity. Please go to Paxman Prophesies

........................................................................... ROFL!

arielmessenger · Jan 29, 2007, 09:08 pm

is what to expect from my posting my visions and revelations.

From GHook

"Hiel Hilter
Nut job"

Short, concise, smears without a shred of intelligence showing. Debate the points I make, stone-casters, if you want do something other than waste people's time here with stupid put-downs.

Gods_Mercenary · Jan 29, 2007, 09:11 pm

Wait, he decides not to believe in a faith that you just made up and he's hitler?

pikatore · Jan 29, 2007, 09:52 pm

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Short, concise, smears without a shred of intelligence showing. Debate the points I make, stone-casters, if you want do something other than waste people's time here with stupid put-downs.

I don't think you should be stoned - A padded room might be a more appropriate.

What am I supposed to debate? You are saying crazy talk. Don't expect people to take you seriously, unless they are as deluded as you are.

pikatore · Jan 29, 2007, 09:55 pm

Alright alright. Debate this 'prophecy':

Modern Israel will become the graveyard of Judaism with Jerusalem its tombstone. Modern Israel will destroy the spiritual authority of Judaism by exposing its racist ideology. (1998)

You think that Judaism is based on a racist ideology? That's a whole new thread in itself.

What were you taking at the time? Acid?

Jan 26, 2007, 03:48 pm	#1201 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,286	Cetainly, although I'm guessing he attends church at least some of the time, which would at least inform him of some things. Anyway, any Catholic that wants to know what his church believes has the luxury of having a church that publishes all its beliefs in various documents. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Jan 28, 2007, 09:10 pm	#1203 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	I have two religions My own gnostic Christian solitary path of which I am prophet, priest, pastor, and congregation all in one. But God has told me to share it so I do. But not long ago I became the prophesy bearer of another religion, a Universal Abrahamic one called the Religion of Peace. It is not Muhammad's Islam which falsely claims that title. Muslims, however, are to play a major part in the Religion of Peace as it is up to them to accept or reject God's Gift to humanity that is to be installed where God as peace was first worshipped in the world, at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Right now the Gift resides in Nazareth where at Easter of 2003 over 500 Arab Christians and Muslims too honored it. It's a long story but one that shows how a new Abrahamic religion is developing in our modern times. I will be posting more on it soon.

Jan 29, 2007, 04:34 pm	#1209 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	The reception of prophets is always the same Either they are branded crazy or heretics. Yet the world moves on the words of prophets. I have opened up my website where all my religious, social and environmental activism is posted. I expect the usual put-downs but hope some members here are willing to look beyond their prejudices and see a unique phenomena rarely made public before the death of the prophesy bearer. Here is a chance to talk directly to someone who has gone through the Abrahamic prophet experience. It would be educational if those who don't agree curb their hostility and ask pertinent questions before trying to tear down the new vision with intellectually useless slander. That would be a modern change but I'm not holding my breath waiting to see it here where atheism seems the more dominant forum position.

Jan 29, 2007, 04:36 pm	#1210 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Biomystical Christianity and more... Please go to The Gospel of Arielmessenger to see the full story of a modern prophesy bearer.

Jan 29, 2007, 09:08 pm	#1217 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Here is what to expect from my posting my visions and revelations. From GHook "Hiel Hilter Nut job" Short, concise, smears without a shred of intelligence showing. Debate the points I make, stone-casters, if you want do something other than waste people's time here with stupid put-downs.

Jan 28, 2007, 05:11 pm	#1202 (permalink) (top)
jmkelley Sedimentary Rock Location: Auburn, Washington, USA Posts: 22	I am an agnostic.

Jan 29, 2007, 07:57 pm	#1215 (permalink) (top)
notworthabean libertarian neocon Location: north east Posts: 630	my faith is "conservtive judiasm" but I am rosh hashahan/yom kippur/passover jew, I don't keep kosher well and am dating a non-jew, but I wouldn't convert and am pretty firm in my beliefs.

Jan 29, 2007, 09:11 pm	#1218 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,286	Wait, he decides not to believe in a faith that you just made up and he's hitler? “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Jan 29, 2007, 09:55 pm	#1220 (permalink) (top)
pikatore A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,613	Alright alright. Debate this 'prophecy': Modern Israel will become the graveyard of Judaism with Jerusalem its tombstone. Modern Israel will destroy the spiritual authority of Judaism by exposing its racist ideology. (1998) You think that Judaism is based on a racist ideology? That's a whole new thread in itself. What were you taking at the time? Acid?