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the last man · Jan 20, 2007, 09:10 am

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I like the traditional part about them. The prayers, the songs were all said by your ancestor's and they believed it. We live in a very convenient world today, or I should say those of us that have all the modern conveniences, so it stands to reason we would question the faith a lot more. We don't have the hardships. We have some of our whiny type hardships, but not true hardship.

Our ancestor's questioned the faith too, I'm sure of it, but they couldn't question the way we can. They would have been completely ostracized, or beaten up. Honestly even today you can't question faith too much because people don't like it. We can do it here because noone knows us, but in our "real" lives we have to be different.

You have to figure God knew that mankind would get really smart, and maybe this is another challenge for mankind, trying to believe. More than likely He knew there would be many faiths, and ultimately we'll know the answers, or not, but faith is something to hold onto, just because it makes you feel good.

I feel better when I ask God for help, or forgiveness. He's there when noone else is. In my mind He's there, and fills up the void.

There's nothing wrong with believing in imaginary figures. Santa Claus comes to mind. He has to be the greatest imaginary figure of all time. He's fun, he's good, he can make kids happier than anybody. There is a sadness when we find out he doesn't really exist, but it's so much fun while you do believe.

I think people have to find what works for them, and forget about all the rest.

You know,in difficult situations,a human being feels the need to rely on something great or divine even if he does not really believe in it.Maybe because we feel weak or maybe because it is a human need that has never disappeared since the antiquity totally agree with you.But the most important think is to acknowledge that we don't believe in irrational things and we have to continue our process of looking for reality even if we know that we will never reach an absolute reality ,but our curiosity and courage to accept our shocking reality should not disappear.
By the way you remember the play "Waiting For Godot"of Beckett .In this play,the two heroes remain waiting for a certain person called Godot from the beginning of the play until the end .He did not come but the hope that he might come prevented them from committing suicide.

Marilyn Monroe · Jan 20, 2007, 10:49 am

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You know,in difficult situations,a human being feels the need to rely on something great or divine even if he does not really believe in it.Maybe because we feel weak or maybe because it is a human need that has never disappeared since the antiquity totally agree with you.But the most important think is to acknowledge that we don't believe in irrational things and we have to continue our process of looking for reality even if we know that we will never reach an absolute reality ,but our curiosity and courage to accept our shocking reality should not disappear.
By the way you remember the play "Waiting For Godot"of Beckett .In this play,the two heroes remain waiting for a certain person called Godot from the beginning of the play until the end .He did not come but the hope that he might come prevented them from committing suicide.

I agree. Interesting POV.

Gods_Mercenary · Jan 20, 2007, 08:08 pm

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There may be some flaw to it because of the translations, but I'd have to think that even so it's pretty close to what it was originally in meaning.

You midunderstood what I said, of course meaning changes when something is translated, but I was talking about an error on the part of the authors. For instance, while much of the book may sound nice and God-like, one part could be written for the author's political agenda at the time. Such as the Gospels that tend to be more anti- semitic than the others, at the time these were written, Jews were forcing christians to choose between judaism or christianity, so some of the author's resentment comes through in his writings, even though the rest of the Book may be O.K.

Marilyn Monroe · Jan 21, 2007, 09:16 am

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You midunderstood what I said, of course meaning changes when something is translated, but I was talking about an error on the part of the authors. For instance, while much of the book may sound nice and God-like, one part could be written for the author's political agenda at the time. Such as the Gospels that tend to be more anti- semitic than the others, at the time these were written, Jews were forcing christians to choose between judaism or christianity, so some of the author's resentment comes through in his writings, even though the rest of the Book may be O.K.

I wouldn't know, haven't read the book. Could be that God wanted it this way. That's the whole premise of the book. It's God's word. May be God wanted that anger to come through. Anything man-made has that element of corruption to it. I can't see how it couldn't.

I think it's a lot of hocus-pocus, but I still like to believe in something. It's very hard to believe this stuff. Maybe it's supposed to be. Maybe it's supposed to make us strong. God works in mysterious ways they say.

Gods_Mercenary · Jan 21, 2007, 10:26 am

I suppose if you believe in a God that would be vengeful and gloss over history to justify his own anger, than yes, it could be what God wants. If you, like me, don't believe in a God like this, than you must say that the Bible has been tainted by human error.

Marilyn Monroe · Jan 21, 2007, 01:25 pm

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I suppose if you believe in a God that would be vengeful and gloss over history to justify his own anger, than yes, it could be what God wants. If you, like me, don't believe in a God like this, than you must say that the Bible has been tainted by human error.

I would agree that there is human error in the bible. Don't think it should be taken literally. Think God's word is in there, but it's also got man's word in there, and no way to know what's what.

namguy69 · Jan 21, 2007, 02:01 pm

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I wouldn't know, haven't read the book. Could be that God wanted it this way. That's the whole premise of the book. It's God's word. May be God wanted that anger to come through. Anything man-made has that element of corruption to it. I can't see how it couldn't.

I think it's a lot of hocus-pocus, but I still like to believe in something. It's very hard to believe this stuff. Maybe it's supposed to be. Maybe it's supposed to make us strong. God works in mysterious ways they say.

" When you are deluded and full of doubt, even a thousand books of scripture are not enough." Fen-Yang

**Jack** · Jan 21, 2007, 02:09 pm

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It's very hard to believe this stuff. Maybe it's supposed to be. Maybe it's supposed to make us strong.

Maybe that means you haven't answered your own questions yet. Keep questioning, allow skepticism to test the answers you get. Thinking for yourself will, at the very least, lead you to answers you can accept.

namguy69 · Jan 21, 2007, 02:16 pm

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Maybe that means you haven't answered your own questions yet. Keep questioning, allow skepticism to test the answers you get. Thinking for yourself will, at the very least, lead you to answers you can accept.

I believe I'm on the right track.

Marilyn Monroe · Jan 21, 2007, 04:49 pm

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" When you are deluded and full of doubt, even a thousand books of scripture are not enough." Fen-Yang

Doubt is pretty much part of religion. Should be it's middle name.

pikatore · Jan 21, 2007, 08:03 pm

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Doubt is pretty much part of religion. Should be it's middle name.

since it's a natural response a sane person experiances when having all that crazy stuff thrusted at them. i agree.

namguy69 · Jan 21, 2007, 11:57 pm

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Doubt is pretty much part of religion. Should be it's middle name.

Well, it's like Fen-Yang said in his writings. For some there's doubt and for others an endless number of books wouldn't convince them. As for myself, I stated my beliefs before and see no reason to annoy anyone with them further.

Runa216 · Jan 22, 2007, 03:05 pm

My Religion is my own, set by my own individual set of beliefs, I believe in no afterlife, reincarnation, or holy Diety. I believe only in the real world that is for sure, and if something comes up that convinces me of any other world, then perhaps I will alter my beliefs. that's the great part about my religion, it's dynamic.

pikatore · Jan 22, 2007, 04:08 pm

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My Religion is my own, set by my own individual set of beliefs, I believe in no afterlife, reincarnation, or holy Diety. I believe only in the real world that is for sure, and if something comes up that convinces me of any other world, then perhaps I will alter my beliefs. that's the great part about my religion, it's dynamic.

You don't really follow a religion, you are just open minded - good for you.

The_Genius · Jan 22, 2007, 04:33 pm

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I am Roman Catholic, I was born one and so I will die one.
Religon doesn't own me ,I own it because I choose to believe.

That's the spirit.

namguy69 · Jan 22, 2007, 10:21 pm

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My Religion is my own, set by my own individual set of beliefs, I believe in no afterlife, reincarnation, or holy Diety. I believe only in the real world that is for sure, and if something comes up that convinces me of any other world, then perhaps I will alter my beliefs. that's the great part about my religion, it's dynamic.

Talk about dynamics: " I am the pilot of-evolvong life-often mistakenly called Terrible Death. I am thy brother, friend-unloader of thy gross burden of body troubles. I come to fetch thee away from the valley of broken dreams to a wondrous highland of light, to which the poison vapors of sorrow cannot climb." - Paramahansa Yoggananda

namguy69 · Jan 22, 2007, 10:23 pm

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You don't really follow a religion, you are just open minded - good for you.

Exactly...thanks!

namguy69 · Jan 25, 2007, 12:33 am

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I am Roman Catholic, I was born one and so I will die one.
Religon doesn't own me ,I own it because I choose to believe.

What do you know about your religion?

Gods_Mercenary · Jan 25, 2007, 04:44 pm

What wouldn't he know about it? I doubt he can put everything he knows about RC into a post.

namguy69 · Jan 26, 2007, 12:01 am

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What wouldn't he know about it? I doubt he can put everything he knows about RC into a post.

Maybe he doesn't know anything about it.

Jan 21, 2007, 10:26 am	#1185 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,361	I suppose if you believe in a God that would be vengeful and gloss over history to justify his own anger, than yes, it could be what God wants. If you, like me, don't believe in a God like this, than you must say that the Bible has been tainted by human error. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Jan 25, 2007, 04:44 pm	#1199 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,361	What wouldn't he know about it? I doubt he can put everything he knows about RC into a post. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

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Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	My Religion is my own, set by my own individual set of beliefs, I believe in no afterlife, reincarnation, or holy Diety. I believe only in the real world that is for sure, and if something comes up that convinces me of any other world, then perhaps I will alter my beliefs. that's the great part about my religion, it's dynamic.