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Old Jan 8, 2007, 09:48 am   #1121 (permalink) (top)
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In answer to the Question ref to Mormons

It's a bit dull reading/hearing the same question all the time. No, I don't have many wives.......... I am straight female. But even if I were male, there would be but one partner. True Mormons don't take on multiple wives. You might hear of Fundlementalists that have broke away from the Mormon Church and started their own religion.They might have many wives/children.
I respect everyones right to believe in their own personal God.
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Old Jan 8, 2007, 09:51 am   #1122 (permalink) (top)
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In answer to the Question ref to Mormons

It's a bit dull reading/hearing the same question all the time. No, I don't have many wives.......... I am straight female. But even if I were male, there would be but one partner. True Mormons don't take on multiple wives. You might hear of Fundlementalists that have broke away from the Mormon Church and started their own religion.They might have many wives/children.
I respect everyones right to believe in their own personal God.
Yet you still believe in your one. That makes you sligthly selfish, right?
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Old Jan 8, 2007, 08:07 pm   #1123 (permalink) (top)
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Believe in my one what?
Do you mean God or partner?
I believe in one God........ He might be known as many different God's to many people. But nevertheless, there is one God.
I believe in one partner. It is hard enough to forfill a perfect union to one partnership.
I respect the Mormon religion. It preaches love for God's children< and we all are God's children> and teaches family unity,
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Old Jan 8, 2007, 08:19 pm   #1124 (permalink) (top)
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Hi!
I'm a born catholic, and a peace-loving anti-war activist. Oxymoron you say??Not at all. I have sought out people who think as I do, both inside and outside my religion and it has been very rewarding. I'm a member of PaxChristi (Peace of Christ) in NY, which is an international peace organization. Religion is faith and spiritual guidance...if you are needing that. If not, then do good..in whatever way you can. The US freedom of religion NEEDS to be just that...not people trying to impose their relgious beliefs on others! Just my 2 cents! Thanks.
Not an Oximoron at all, the Church of today speaks out against most wars (including Iraq) and encurages followers to vote for peaceful candidates Perhaps not strongly enough, though. It's a shame that the Churc has to be divided between two parties because one is hawkish but more conservative socially and one is dovish but liberal socially,. we need to fix the party system so that a person with ideas from both parties actually has a chance.


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Old Jan 8, 2007, 11:35 pm   #1125 (permalink) (top)
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Hey,

I'm new to the forums, and I think a good way to get things rolling here would be to ask something personal about you.

What is your religious affiliation, why, and what conclusions have you come to about your own religion. Do you accept other ones? If not why...

so...how about you?

first of all u r welcome eventhou iam new here 2 .
religion : muslim elhamduliallah ( sunna)
accepting other religions : yes i do .i believe in both chris. n jew. , concerning other beliefs , well although i dun believe in them yet i believe in the freedom of beliefs .
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 05:14 am   #1126 (permalink) (top)
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Believe in my one what?
Do you mean God or partner?
I believe in one God........ He might be known as many different God's to many people. But nevertheless, there is one God.
I believe in one partner. It is hard enough to forfill a perfect union to one partnership.
I respect the Mormon religion. It preaches love for God's children< and we all are God's children> and teaches family unity,
Your god.

You say you completely respect other's religions, but because you follow you particular sect of Christianity, you are implicitly taking the position that everyone else who believes their particular religion is wrong. That comes with the package of believing in A, but not believing in B or C.

Do you have total respect for Muslims and what they choose to believe? But do you still think they are misguided?

I'm just curious, not having a go at you.
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 01:47 pm   #1127 (permalink) (top)
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Hey,

I'm new to the forums, and I think a good way to get things rolling here would be to ask something personal about you.

What is your religious affiliation, why, and what conclusions have you come to about your own religion. Do you accept other ones? If not why...


I myself was baptized catholic, but I find myself in a state of disbelief. I tend to keep an open mind, and believe that I do not know enough about my surroundings to judge them yet. I hold an attitude of "if there's a God I've been a good guy, but I'm not going to drink the Kool-Aide" if you get my drift.


so...how about you?

I also was Baptized a Catholic, I'm no longer a Catholic and haven't been in a number of years. Meaning no disrespect to you or any other fine Catholics here, but I found their doctrine to be contracting and they tend to make rules and regulations as they go along to suite, few to none of which are found in the Bible. Do you know how the Catholic Religion was started? It was started by the Roman Consintine (spelling ?) the Great. Now there are people that will disagree with me on this but never the less it's true, it's a historical fact. Let's jump about 2,000 years now, Pope Pious ( once again spelling) the XII, I believe it was consorted with the Germans in Berlin either in 1936 - 1939. Yes they backed Germany during WWII! Fact. It wasn't 'till around 1943 when they saw that Gremany wasn't going to win the war they jumped ship and came over to the USA's side. Fact.

One's good works does not get one to Heaven. All this is way too deep to explain on this format if it were different I'd go one but...

Take care.
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 09:20 pm   #1128 (permalink) (top)
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5. The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;
6. And the herbs and the trees-both (alike) bow in adoration.
7. And the Firmament has He raised high and He has set up the balance (of Justice)
8. In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.
9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
10. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
11. Therein is fruit and date-palms producing spathes (enclosing dates):
12. Also corn with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder and sweet-smelling plants.
13. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
14. He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery.
15. And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
16. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
17. (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:
18. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
19. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water meeting together:
20. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
21. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
22. Out of them come Pearls and Coral:
23. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
24. And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas lofty as mountains:
25. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
26. All that is on earth will perish;
27. But will abide (forever) the Face of thy Lord full of Majesty Bounty and Honor.
28. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
29. Of Him seeks (its needs) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendor doth He (shine)!
30. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?

I am a Muslim and because i can't deny none of that... Thats me and i believe every words of the Quran and faith is getting stronger everyday, seeing all scientific evidence and many other things said that will happen before the last hour is really happening.

Surah Rahman Quran Recitation Video Syed Sadaqat Ali - Google Video

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Old Jan 9, 2007, 09:23 pm   #1129 (permalink) (top)
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You believe that that's litteraly what happened, not symbolism?


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Old Jan 9, 2007, 09:45 pm   #1130 (permalink) (top)
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You believe that that's litteraly what happened, not symbolism?
I talking about the favors of Allah (god) that I can't deny. We did not make water, vegetables, who gives rain, etc and no it didn't happen by chance... this is 21st centaury and if things happened by chance at that time then now more modern things should happen by chance! Like people flying like super man but no... Since the creation of earth everything now happening by chance is we are getting close to loosing every natural creation and that is also in the Quran.

about symbolism, Quran is not a book of science but a guide and Allah has explained what he expects from his creation and here he has described something’s which at that time it was impossible to say by any humans.

If you are indicating I am just trying to justify Islam is the right religion then no, The Quran confirms Christianity and Judaism but only problem is both religion now is man made and changed from what it should.

I kind of get mixed up, when we go to work we follow all company rules including the things we like doing we can’t, but when it comes to our creator who provide us with everything, we say that is against our freedom.
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 10:06 pm   #1131 (permalink) (top)
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I have none because if you listen to anyone long enough they are bound to be wrong. I have no problem with people being wrong (I am many times). I have problems when they push thier beliefs on me. They forget they are just that "thier beliefs".
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 10:50 pm   #1132 (permalink) (top)
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5. The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;
6. And the herbs and the trees-both (alike) bow in adoration.
7. And the Firmament has He raised high and He has set up the balance (of Justice)
8. In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.
9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
10. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
11. Therein is fruit and date-palms producing spathes (enclosing dates):
12. Also corn with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder and sweet-smelling plants.
13. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
14. He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery.
15. And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
16. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
17. (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:
18. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
19. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water meeting together:
20. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
21. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
22. Out of them come Pearls and Coral:
23. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
24. And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas lofty as mountains:
25. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
26. All that is on earth will perish;
27. But will abide (forever) the Face of thy Lord full of Majesty Bounty and Honor.
28. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
29. Of Him seeks (its needs) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendor doth He (shine)!
30. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?

I am a Muslim and because i can't deny none of that... Thats me and i believe every words of the Quran and faith is getting stronger everyday, seeing all scientific evidence and many other things said that will happen before the last hour is really happening.

Surah Rahman Quran Recitation Video Syed Sadaqat Ali - Google Video
oh brother , iam muslim 2 elhamdulelah and i like this sura soooo much , subhana allah , how can some ppl deny the existence of god ??!!!!!!!!
jazaka allaho khayran brother .
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Old Jan 9, 2007, 10:54 pm   #1133 (permalink) (top)
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how can some ppl deny the existence of god ??!!!!!!!!
It's really easy. Quit trying to hard to believe in the existence of god. :)


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Old Jan 10, 2007, 01:42 am   #1134 (permalink) (top)
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'...I found their doctrine to be contracting...'
This sentence simply doesn't make sense contracting? What on Earth do you mean?

'[T]hey tend to make rules and regulations as they go along to suite, few to none of which are found in the Bible.'
If you intend to make a good argument, you really ought to gove proof of this - i.e. examples from the Catholic Church which are not found in the bible.

'Do you know how the Catholic Religion was started? It was started by the Roman Consintine (spelling ?) the Great. Now there are people that will disagree with me on this but never the less it's true, it's a historical fact.'
If it's such a historical fact, how come you didn't provide us with any evidence to support your claim? The Catholic Church has stood for 2000 years. Constantine simply made Christianity (at that time all Christianity was what we would now call 'Catholic') legal (obviously before then Christians got fed to the lions, etc.) and made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.

'Let's jump about 2,000 years now'
Wow, I'm surprised you didn't make some comment about the Reformation here, there's really a lot in between...

'Pope Pious ( once again spelling) the XII, I believe it was consorted with the Germans in Berlin either in 1936 - 1939. Yes they backed Germany during WWII! Fact.'
Pope Pius may or may not have 'consorted' with the Germans 1936-'39, but -a minor point - WWII didn't start until 1939. Genius. Anyway, the concordat between the Vatican (Catholic Church) and Germany basically said 'If you don't kill our priests, we won't slag you off...' Not the most dastardly agreement in the world, eh? Also, throughout WWII thousands of Jews were hidden inside Vatican City and/or given false baptism papers By the Catholic Church to protect them from the Nazis..

'It wasn't 'till around 1943 when they saw that Gremany wasn't going to win the war they jumped ship and came over to the USA's side. Fact.'
Fact, eh? You're thinking of ITALY. NOT The Catholic Church. Vatican City was NEVER on Germany's side, and you will not find a shred of convincing evidence that says they were. Italy was on the axis powers' side until it got bad for Germany and Co., but Italy and Vatican City are TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Since the Lateran Treaty of 1929, Vatican City has been a state completely independent of Italy. So, no, The Catholic Church did not 'jump ship' during WWII. The Church does not generally take sides in international politics, and certainly did not side with Germany during WWII.

Hi. If you didn't guess, I'm a Catholic.

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Old Jan 10, 2007, 02:45 pm   #1135 (permalink) (top)
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5. The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;
6. And the herbs and the trees-both (alike) bow in adoration.
7. And the Firmament has He raised high and He has set up the balance (of Justice)
8. In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.
9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
10. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
11. Therein is fruit and date-palms producing spathes (enclosing dates):
12. Also corn with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder and sweet-smelling plants.
13. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
14. He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery.
15. And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
16. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
17. (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:
18. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
19. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water meeting together:
20. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
21. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
22. Out of them come Pearls and Coral:
23. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
24. And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas lofty as mountains:
25. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
26. All that is on earth will perish;
27. But will abide (forever) the Face of thy Lord full of Majesty Bounty and Honor.
28. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
29. Of Him seeks (its needs) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendor doth He (shine)!
30. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?

I am a Muslim and because i can't deny none of that... Thats me and i believe every words of the Quran and faith is getting stronger everyday, seeing all scientific evidence and many other things said that will happen before the last hour is really happening.

Surah Rahman Quran Recitation Video Syed Sadaqat Ali - Google Video
I appreciate your input but I was addressing the Catholic Religion.
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Old Jan 10, 2007, 05:04 pm   #1136 (permalink) (top)
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I believe everyone has the right to their own beliefs. I will not claim anyones religion as wrong. I judge not and hope not to be judged. For me, the Mormon religion is what best satisfy's my needs.
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Old Jan 10, 2007, 05:27 pm   #1137 (permalink) (top)
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I believe everyone has the right to their own beliefs. I will not claim anyones religion as wrong. I judge not and hope not to be judged. For me, the Mormon religion is what best satisfy's my needs.
I ask you, who has the last word, The Book Mormon or the KJV? Please exclude the word ' but ' in your reply.
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Old Jan 10, 2007, 07:33 pm   #1138 (permalink) (top)
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I also was Baptized a Catholic, I'm no longer a Catholic and haven't been in a number of years. Meaning no disrespect to you or any other fine Catholics here, but I found their doctrine to be contracting and they tend to make rules and regulations as they go along to suite, few to none of which are found in the Bible. Do you know how the Catholic Religion was started? It was started by the Roman Consintine (spelling ?) the Great. Now there are people that will disagree with me on this but never the less it's true, it's a historical fact. Let's jump about 2,000 years now, Pope Pious ( once again spelling) the XII, I believe it was consorted with the Germans in Berlin either in 1936 - 1939. Yes they backed Germany during WWII! Fact. It wasn't 'till around 1943 when they saw that Gremany wasn't going to win the war they jumped ship and came over to the USA's side. Fact.

One's good works does not get one to Heaven. All this is way too deep to explain on this format if it were different I'd go one but...

Take care.
The Catholic Church goes extra Bible because the bible is insufficient in many areas to properly adress many issues, which is why we have the hierarchy to adress issues as they come up. By the way, Jesus didn't say that the Bible is the only source of Guidance for Christians, considering the Bible didn't exist at the time.

Constantine started the organized Christianity, it then became Roman Catholicism when the other Christians broke off, so Catholicism is the earliest still existing form of Christianity. And Pope pius did do some things with hitler, he was in a Facist occupied Italy, after all, still, it's a shameful period of the Papacy, among many others,

May I ask what religion you are?


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Old Jan 10, 2007, 10:35 pm   #1139 (permalink) (top)
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I keep the KJV and book of Mormon on my table. As far as I am concern the book of Mormon is a addition to my reading.
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Old Jan 10, 2007, 11:57 pm   #1140 (permalink) (top)
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The Catholic Church goes extra Bible because the bible is insufficient in many areas to properly adress many issues, which is why we have the hierarchy to adress issues as they come up. By the way, Jesus didn't say that the Bible is the only source of Guidance for Christians, considering the Bible didn't exist at the time.

Constantine started the organized Christianity, it then became Roman Catholicism when the other Christians broke off, so Catholicism is the earliest still existing form of Christianity. And Pope pius did do some things with hitler, he was in a Facist occupied Italy, after all, still, it's a shameful period of the Papacy, among many others,

May I ask what religion you are?
You have been misinformed, Constantine decreed that all must be Catholic at the time and if one wasn't one was then executed. Constantine after this so called vision he had, changed all the pagan statues and declaired them, changed them to be figurines of he considered saints, which he declaired who was and who wasn't. He made figures of Mary, even Jesus Himself and countless others some of which didn't ever exist. Constantine was nothing more than a pagan and a murderer. Christianity came, long, long before Constantine.
The Bible was inspired by The Lord Jesus Christ if there was something more we needed to know I feel certain Christ would have let us know, so as for the Bible not being complete, maybe so, but all we need to know and believe is what is written.

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