Your Religion

[Praxius]

Believe, live and worship whatever you so desire, so long as it does not infringe on other's lives..... that's how I live.

Gays can marry and do whatever they feel, so long as it doesn't affect my life in anyway.... ie: trying to marry me..... ain't happening.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Praxius Believe, live and worship whatever you so desire, so long as it does not infringe on other's lives..... that's how I live. Gays can marry and do whatever they feel, so long as it doesn't affect my life in anyway.... ie: trying to marry me..... ain't happening.

Denial is always the first sign...

[namguy69]

Quote by: Captain Chaos I believe the system should be designed to allow all people a fair degree of self determination, and also to allow all people the chance to learn and grow throughout eternity - meaning no eternal damnation. Am I entitled to this?

You know, I have my own beliefs as does everyone else, all I can do is share my beliefs with others, futhermore I don't believe in criticizing what anyone else says. So from my own beliefs which come from KJV Bible if one doesn't accept Christ as Lord and personal Savior one indeed, unless Saved by the Blood of the Lamb will indeed will suffer enternal damnation, according to the Bible. It's supposed to be the Word of the Lord so that's what I go by.

On this forum one has to very careful of one says. I've been cited for what they call ' in fractions,' I don't feel I committed any.....however. That's the main reason I've stayed away from forums and at times I don't even know why I'm on this one. One day I'll leave this one also, too ' stiff.'

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Praxius I'm on this planet as I see it and I'm gonna live my life the way it makes sense to me.... I see no logic in following a book that in theory, has rules made by God, when actually it has been revised by so many different humans over the centuries, who can tell if it was God who said it, or someone with their own personal agenda?

The bible is supposed to be the word of God, so anything written, or revised would have God's hand in it. The bible requires faith that God can do all these things, and has. Takes a whole lotta faith. Most of us don't have the ability to believe in something that we can't see.

I'm gonna live my life as I see fit, and if in the end I'm face to face with God and he tells me I sinned and I can't goto heaven, then I'm just gonna tell him he can shove his self-riotous ways right up his godly ass and twist...... he was never around to help, nor guide me, so if I'm on my own, he can blow.

If He exists He gave you a lot, there's no doubt about, but if He doesn't we'll never know.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe If He exists He gave you a lot, there's no doubt about, but if He doesn't we'll never know.

But he really didn't... even if he did exist.

One thing I always hated as music award shows and such, is when the winner says "I'd like to thank God....." ~ Why? He didn't get you to where you are..... your parents, the record labels and yourself got you where you are today.... you did it all on your own..... take some friggin credit.

One thing I noticed is people use God as a blanket to avoid responsibility for their own actions.... good or bad.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe The bible is supposed to be the word of God, so anything written, or revised would have God's hand in it. The bible requires faith that God can do all these things, and has. Takes a whole lotta faith. Most of us don't have the ability to believe in something that we can't see. If He exists He gave you a lot, there's no doubt about, but if He doesn't we'll never know.

Believe in what you wish.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Praxius But he really didn't... even if he did exist. One thing I always hated as music award shows and such, is when the winner says "I'd like to thank God....." ~ Why? He didn't get you to where you are..... your parents, the record labels and yourself got you where you are today.... you did it all on your own..... take some friggin credit. One thing I noticed is people use God as a blanket to avoid responsibility for their own actions.... good or bad.

Opinions vary.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: namguy69 You know, I have my own beliefs as does everyone else, all I can do is share my beliefs with others, futhermore I don't believe in criticizing what anyone else says. So from my own beliefs which come from KJV Bible if one doesn't accept Christ as Lord and personal Savior one indeed, unless Saved by the Blood of the Lamb will indeed will suffer enternal damnation, according to the Bible. It's supposed to be the Word of the Lord so that's what I go by. On this forum one has to very careful of one says. I've been cited for what they call ' in fractions,' I don't feel I committed any.....however. That's the main reason I've stayed away from forums and at times I don't even know why I'm on this one. One day I'll leave this one also, too ' stiff.'

Believe in what you wish.

[Praxius]

Quote by: namguy69 Opinions vary.

That they do.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Praxius But he really didn't... even if he did exist.

If He created the world, and gave us the ability to think, it's a lot. You are looking at your little space with all of it's problems, but you would have no problems if He didn't create this world. You'd have no abilities. He could have given you heaven, and that would have been nice, but that wasn't the plan. Apparently for His purpose, He wanted this group to live here, and have what we have. It could be a huge experiment.

One thing I always hated as music award shows and such, is when the winner says "I'd like to thank God....." ~ Why? He didn't get you to where you are..... your parents, the record labels and yourself got you where you are today.... you did it all on your own..... take some friggin credit.

If he created the world then He did give you this opportunity, so all the other opportunities came from it.

One thing I noticed is people use God as a blanket to avoid responsibility for their own actions.... good or bad.

Could be they do, but it's possible it's a way to keep people more loving towards each other. I've never lived in a godless world, but something deep down makes me think it would be worse than this is, and this isn't all that great. Could you imagine how the people with lower intelligence would be? The ones that are cooks at McDonald's, and that's all they'll ever be? We should be grateful for "God" I think.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe If He created the world, and gave us the ability to think, it's a lot. You are looking at your little space with all of it's problems, but you would have no problems if He didn't create this world. You'd have no abilities. He could have given you heaven, and that would have been nice, but that wasn't the plan. Apparently for His purpose, He wanted this group to live here, and have what we have. It could be a huge experiment. If he created the world then He did give you this opportunity, so all the other opportunities came from it.

Ok, lets up the ante here a bit...... If we're supposed to be thankful towards the God for what he has given us..... who created him and who does he thank for giving him existence? Everything has to derive from something and God just couldn't have popped out of nowhere and started making things without building up his knowledge.... if we're built in his image, then he'd have to do much the same things as us to evolve to being a God. If we are built in his image, then he should lead by example and be thanking something or someone, wouldn't you think?

Back on track a bit:

So you say I should thank God for creating everything around me and to getting where I am today, when actually I asked him for years for guidance and help here and there.... yet I ended up doing everything all on my own, fighting my own fights and living my life as I see fit, without any input from God at all?

So I should also continue to thank the doctor who helped me in my birth?

So I should thank God for doing absolutely nothing during my lifetime?

Too many questions, not enough answers... except my own.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Praxius Ok, lets up the ante here a bit...... If we're supposed to be thankful towards the God for what he has given us..... who created him and who does he thank for giving him existence? Everything has to derive from something and God just couldn't have popped out of nowhere and started making things without building up his knowledge.... if we're built in his image, then he'd have to do much the same things as us to evolve to being a God. If we are built in his image, then he should lead by example and be thanking something or someone, wouldn't you think? Back on track a bit: So you say I should thank God for creating everything around me and to getting where I am today, when actually I asked him for years for guidance and help here and there.... yet I ended up doing everything all on my own, fighting my own fights and living my life as I see fit, without any input from God at all? So I should also continue to thank the doctor who helped me in my birth? So I should thank God for doing absolutely nothing during my lifetime? Too many questions, not enough answers... except my own.

So you did everything on your own, interesting. Never had a break, never received any help from any source? Your humble enough to credit the doctor for bringing you into this world, gosh, from the way you talk I would have to trhink you didn't need anyone, why didn't you do it youself? Come on, you could have done that by yourself, you didn't need a doctor. Fighting your own fights, I would certainly hope so. Did everything on your own, you know your my hero.

Let me ask you a few things tough guy. Have ever been in a place where you didn't if it was Monday or Friday, if it was June or January? Ever experenced that? Have you ever maned a forward position in a combat zone, have you ever been a point man, have you ever been in the military in a war, well have you been tough guy? Have you ever had to run for cover to save your ass, have you tough guy? Did you ever have the feeling this might be your last day tough guy, your last moment? Have you ever drank water that had to have purification pills in it before you drank it, have you tough guy? Have you ever had to depend on fellow commarade to watch your back? And you have the stupidity to say the Lord doesn't exist. You have a hell of a lot to learn and you don't have the time to learn it.

[Jack]

Have you ever maned a forward position in a combat zone, have you ever been a point man, have you ever been in the military in a war, well have you been tough guy? Have you ever had to run for cover to save your ass, have you tough guy? Did you ever have the feeling this might be your last day tough guy, your last moment? Have you ever drank water that had to have purification pills in it before you drank it, have you tough guy? Have you ever had to depend on fellow commarade to watch your back? And you have the stupidity to say the Lord doesn't exist. You have a hell of a lot to learn and you don't have the time to learn it.

Yes. And the guy who covered my ass was a human with a rifle, not an imaginary being needing my worship.

[PatrickHenry]

God "needs" nothing. He is pre-existing, the originator of all. No one has a more all encompassing explanation for reality than the existence of God.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Praxius Ok, lets up the ante here a bit...... If we're supposed to be thankful towards the God for what he has given us..... who created him and who does he thank for giving him existence? Everything has to derive from something and God just couldn't have popped out of nowhere and started making things without building up his knowledge.... if we're built in his image, then he'd have to do much the same things as us to evolve to being a God. If we are built in his image, then he should lead by example and be thanking something or someone, wouldn't you think?

What you think about God everyone has thought.

Maybe He does thank someone, excruciatingly. How would we know?

The way it is stated in the Bible, or somewhere for reference, "He always was, and always will be", so in thinking of our solar system as where He came from may not be accurate.

I think it's a mystery, and if you think about it too much you won't believe. That's just how religion is, it's tough to believe.

Back on track a bit: So you say I should thank God for creating everything around me and to getting where I am today, when actually I asked him for years for guidance and help here and there.... yet I ended up doing everything all on my own, fighting my own fights and living my life as I see fit, without any input from God at all? So I should also continue to thank the doctor who helped me in my birth? So I should thank God for doing absolutely nothing during my lifetime? Too many questions, not enough answers... except my own.

You and everybody else. This is life. This is what it is. I'd say you have to look at the beauty of it all, and forget about the harshness. I've seen kids in wheelchairs that can't talk, walk, do anything, and they believe in God. Then you'll have an able-bodied person, no huge defects, whining about how God never helps him. It's all a state of mind. God may be more of an inspiration to the kid in the wheelchair.

I have all the same doubts you have. I'm not a big believer. I'm just giving you some different thoughts on it. Somehow though believing helps me when I'm down, it may make me more down, I don't know, but I always try to hold onto a tiny thread of belief just for safekeeping.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: PatrickHenry God "needs" nothing.

I fully agree

He is pre-existing, the originator of all. No one has a more all encompassing explanation for reality than the existence of God.

All thos things are just to be presumed. How and why of these are the main points of debate! None of the statements are easily digesting.

[Praxius]

Quote by: namguy69 So you did everything on your own, interesting. Never had a break, never received any help from any source? Your humble enough to credit the doctor for bringing you into this world, gosh, from the way you talk I would have to trhink you didn't need anyone, why didn't you do it youself? Come on, you could have done that by yourself, you didn't need a doctor. Fighting your own fights, I would certainly hope so. Did everything on your own, you know your my hero.

Ok there smart-ass, let me elaborate some more to make it clear for you. I thank humans, nature and their assistance for getting me where I am today, along with my own judgment and reasoning. The doctor was an example, pull your head out of your arse and stop thinking I'm so 2 dimensional in thinking I did it all on my own.

I don't thank God, even if he does exist, because he's done less for me, then then the umbrella I use to block rain.... this is why I have no thanks towards a god who has done nothing for me in my life.

You can worship him all you want, good on ya.... but for me, this is where I stand.

Let me ask you a few things tough guy. Have ever been in a place where you didn't if it was Monday or Friday, if it was June or January? Ever experenced that?

Uh, yeah.... it's called time and me moving my feet to get to that location. Your question makes no sense.

Have you ever maned a forward position in a combat zone, have you ever been a point man, have you ever been in the military in a war, well have you been tough guy?

Let me guess.... you're the prick of the forums arn't you? I've got more military background then you apparently know of...... what's your point in this question? Does God help me when I'm in a combat zone? What are you trying to get at..... tough guy?

Have you ever had to run for cover to save your ass, have you tough guy?

Yes I did..... why? you did too? So you're a tough guy too I see..... :rolleyes:

Did you ever have the feeling this might be your last day tough guy, your last moment? Have you ever drank water that had to have purification pills in it before you drank it, have you tough guy? Have you ever had to depend on fellow commarade to watch your back? And you have the stupidity to say the Lord doesn't exist. You have a hell of a lot to learn and you don't have the time to learn it.

That's the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while..... sorry, I usually just reply with questions and comments in a respectful manner, but you threw that out the window...... Did I ever have to depend on a fellow commarade? Yes I did..... was that commarade God?

Was those chances of almost being killed but not, an act of God, or is it just your luck and being in the right place at the right time, because you used your brains, survival instincts and depending on your fellow man?

I was talking about giving credit to those who deserve it.....

So with that logic, God must have thrown you into the battlefield, put you at risk, killed your friends and comrades, etc..... yeah.... ok.... you thank god for that..... have a nice day.... I'll stick to my ways.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe What you think about God everyone has thought. Maybe He does thank someone, excruciatingly. How would we know? The way it is stated in the Bible, or somewhere for reference, "He always was, and always will be", so in thinking of our solar system as where He came from may not be accurate. I think it's a mystery, and if you think about it too much you won't believe. That's just how religion is, it's tough to believe.

If you think about it too much, you won't believe? I understand, but with that logic, we wouldn't have ever progressed past a flat earth.

Why does the sun come up?
Because God made it so.... try not to think too much about it.....
ok.

Why did my parent die?
Because God decided on the time.... try not to think about it too much.....
.... ok, so it wasn't Cancer?
No..... God....
.....ok.

(BTW: I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm just asking questions.)

You and everybody else. This is life. This is what it is. I'd say you have to look at the beauty of it all, and forget about the harshness. I've seen kids in wheelchairs that can't talk, walk, do anything, and they believe in God. Then you'll have an able-bodied person, no huge defects, whining about how God never helps him. It's all a state of mind. God may be more of an inspiration to the kid in the wheelchair.

Granted, but it's also what's been fed into the mind by parents and those around them.

I hardly ever look at the bad in the world.... I'm actually quite at peace with the way the world is going.... I'm not worried about a rapture, or the end of times..... sure there's gonna be another World War......

I do believe in an afterlife, and I do believe there is a reason for everything, but the whole God thing is way off the mark in my opinion.

Your's differs, so be it..... whatever get's us all though the day.

I have all the same doubts you have. I'm not a big believer. I'm just giving you some different thoughts on it. Somehow though believing helps me when I'm down, it may make me more down, I don't know, but I always try to hold onto a tiny thread of belief just for safekeeping.

Makes sense and I thank you, but I'm not a down person most of the time.... My life is how I see it. It's not the same as anybody else's, nor is anybody else's the same as mine..... that's what's unique.

I have an acceptance of death, in which I mean, if it's going to happen, so be it, but I'm not going without a fight..... But I have my own personal understanding of what all is going on, and one God or religion, doesn't hold all the answers as what I believe does.

What I believe isn't solid either, but for me, it answers a lot more, and therefore I am at a nice peace in my life.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Isherwood Yes. And the guy who covered my ass was a human with a rifle, not an imaginary being needing my worship.

So you've learned nothing just like so many others. You know, don't bother me anymore with bull shit. Besides you never gave me enough information on your experence, hell you could be a big bull shiter.

[Praxius]

Yes. And the guy who covered my ass was a human with a rifle, not an imaginary being needing my worship.

So you've learned nothing just like so many others. You know, don't bother me anymore with bull shit. Besides you never gave me enough information on your experence, hell you could be a big bull shiter.

Sounded like a valid response to me.