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**Jack** · Nov 19, 2006, 01:14 pm

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I'm not sure what I am a lot of people would call me a drug cultist though.

Not me, since I have no idea what that even is. Do you worship weed?

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 19, 2006, 02:03 pm

kind of. Psychedelics change how your brain works, and it's interesting to see what you come up with when you're reasoning in radically different ways. Nobody's sure how valuable of conclusions they produce, but it's worked for me and it sure is fun to try.

Scribbler1 · Nov 19, 2006, 02:19 pm

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ouch, my feelings... maybe that was none of your business

Then maybe you shouldn't post it on an open forum.

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 19, 2006, 02:27 pm

Nay, I was just introducing my viewpoint...

Scribbler1 · Nov 19, 2006, 02:32 pm

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Nay, I was just introducing my viewpoint...

And I was just making a smartass comment meant as a joke. Youll see a LOT of that around here.

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 19, 2006, 02:38 pm

Dammit. Apologies... I hate not being able to tell when people are joking on the internet. I'll keep my eyes peeled. And for the record my feelings are just fine. That, I guess, was one of those jokes you were talking about.

**Jack** · Nov 19, 2006, 03:52 pm

The times I tried acid all it did was give me a huge rush like cocaine and I wound up walking for miles around my neighborhood at 3am. Never did see colors, god or much of anything else weird.
Then again, I'm a control freak, so perhaps I restrained those visions.

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 19, 2006, 04:48 pm

That probably is why. Expectation and how much you let the experience take you are a big factor... I know it sounds like a cop-out but skeptics normally won't get these kinds of visions. And there are a lot of people who never get really valuable thoughts because they don't give a rat's ass, they just want to see colors and get fucked up. I don't know if you could say you see "god" on acid but you definitely see whatever it is that people have been calling god. This is why I think illegal psychedelics are such a crime, the research we do on these could scientifically explain what exactly is going on when people "see god." That would be pretty interesting now, wouldn't it?

Captain Chaos · Nov 20, 2006, 09:59 am

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That probably is why. Expectation and how much you let the experience take you are a big factor... I know it sounds like a cop-out but skeptics normally won't get these kinds of visions. And there are a lot of people who never get really valuable thoughts because they don't give a rat's ass, they just want to see colors and get fucked up. I don't know if you could say you see "god" on acid but you definitely see whatever it is that people have been calling god. This is why I think illegal psychedelics are such a crime, the research we do on these could scientifically explain what exactly is going on when people "see god." That would be pretty interesting now, wouldn't it?

Try IV ketamine, then tell me what you see.

(don't really do this, unless it is physician supervised)

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 20, 2006, 10:36 am

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Try IV ketamine, then tell me what you see.

(don't really do this, unless it is physician supervised)

Thanks for the disclaimer, I wasn't going to try it though. ketamine is one of the drugs I won't do. But I'm not sure what you're implying here. Does it work for those kinds of experiences or will it just confuse you or what?

Captain Chaos · Nov 20, 2006, 10:42 am

Ketamine can be used to indcue NDEs and cosmos-roaming experiences. If you check out the erowid archives, you can find a number of such descriptions.

Mr. Blue Sky · Nov 20, 2006, 12:26 pm

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Ketamine can be used to indcue NDEs and cosmos-roaming experiences. If you check out the erowid archives, you can find a number of such descriptions.

So I've heard... Never took it too seriously, I figured animal tranquilizers weren't much for cosmic experiences, but then again, I've never tried it. and erowid, great site, it's helped me a lot in the past.

Inlineskater · Nov 23, 2006, 01:39 pm

I am an athiest. I have been one my whole life and am proud of it. My number on pet peeve is when people say god bless you when I sneeze, assuming I am religious.

Scribbler1 · Nov 23, 2006, 02:24 pm

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I am an athiest. I have been one my whole life and am proud of it. My number on pet peeve is when people say god bless you when I sneeze, assuming I am religious.

Just assume they are saying that from THEIR religious perspective and don't worry about it.

It's not like they're trying to offend you.

pikatore · Nov 25, 2006, 04:00 pm

atheist and proud

samsara15 · Nov 27, 2006, 01:56 pm

Do we have to make a choice? What I am varies. From athiest to agnostic to Pantheist to Brahmansim.

Captain Chaos · Nov 27, 2006, 02:21 pm

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Do we have to make a choice? What I am varies. From athiest to agnostic to Pantheist to Brahmansim.

You should devote yourself to the Sky Gnomes.

What is really cool about them, is that you get to make up your own name for any particular one of them, as well as what aspect of life that particular Sky Gnome is responsible for overseeing.

Grolnorthognilok, the Sky Gnome of yellow gastric juices, is feeling especially underappreciated, I hear.

anak · Dec 3, 2006, 07:13 pm

DON'T BE ATHEIST, BE SATANIST!
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:eek:

**Jack** · Dec 3, 2006, 07:44 pm

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I am an athiest. I have been one my whole life and am proud of it. My number on pet peeve is when people say god bless you when I sneeze, assuming I am religious.

As Scribbler1 says, what they say to you is not important. But what do you find yourself saying when someone near you sneezes?
Coincidently, I blogged about this issue a while back. Read it here.

anak · Dec 4, 2006, 06:58 am

Johhny, a high-school student, is taking a survey for his Christian Ethics class. The survey concerns his friends' religious denominations. He first walks up to George as he takes a sip from the water fountain in the hallway. "So," asks Johnny, "what religion are you?" "Aye, I'm atheist," replies George in a Canadian accent. "Oh, that's cool. See you later," replies Johnny as he walks away, laughing under his breath. Johnny then goes up to Robert in front of locker #666 and asks him the same question. Robert answers, "I'm Satanic!" Johnny, without taking his eyes off little Bobby, slowly backs away, with his left eye slightly twitching. He is completely oblivious to the fact that he walks right into Sally and knocks her down. After ten seconds of unblinked staring, Johnny finally lets out a suppressed yell, turns 180 degrees, and darts in the opposite direction down the hall. As if intentionally egging on Johnny's over-reaction, Bobby calls after him, "Hey, I was gonna to ask you to come to my Satanic Bonfire tonight!" He hears Johnny yelp a second time and sees him pick up speed. Bobby averts his eyes from the hysterical Johnny, looking into his navy-blue locker, and chuckles to himself, "If only he knew what Satanism really was..."

Nov 19, 2006, 03:52 pm	#1047 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,741	The times I tried acid all it did was give me a huge rush like cocaine and I wound up walking for miles around my neighborhood at 3am. Never did see colors, god or much of anything else weird. Then again, I'm a control freak, so perhaps I restrained those visions. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Nov 19, 2006, 04:48 pm	#1048 (permalink) (top)
Mr. Blue Sky Molten Ash Posts: 73	That probably is why. Expectation and how much you let the experience take you are a big factor... I know it sounds like a cop-out but skeptics normally won't get these kinds of visions. And there are a lot of people who never get really valuable thoughts because they don't give a rat's ass, they just want to see colors and get fucked up. I don't know if you could say you see "god" on acid but you definitely see whatever it is that people have been calling god. This is why I think illegal psychedelics are such a crime, the research we do on these could scientifically explain what exactly is going on when people "see god." That would be pretty interesting now, wouldn't it? Alas! the forbidden fruits were eaten, And thereby the warm life of reason congealed. A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam, Like as the Dragon's tail dulls the brightness of the moon.

Nov 20, 2006, 10:42 am	#1051 (permalink) (top)
Captain Chaos Shifting Paradigms Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 3,102	Ketamine can be used to indcue NDEs and cosmos-roaming experiences. If you check out the erowid archives, you can find a number of such descriptions. Do all things with love.

Nov 23, 2006, 01:39 pm	#1053 (permalink) (top)
Inlineskater Molten Ash Posts: 28	Atheist I am an athiest. I have been one my whole life and am proud of it. My number on pet peeve is when people say god bless you when I sneeze, assuming I am religious.

Nov 27, 2006, 01:56 pm	#1056 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 I'm the camel Location: Maryland Posts: 657	Do we have to make a choice? What I am varies. From athiest to agnostic to Pantheist to Brahmansim. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97

Nov 19, 2006, 02:03 pm	#1042 (permalink) (top)
Mr. Blue Sky Molten Ash Posts: 73	kind of. Psychedelics change how your brain works, and it's interesting to see what you come up with when you're reasoning in radically different ways. Nobody's sure how valuable of conclusions they produce, but it's worked for me and it sure is fun to try.

Nov 19, 2006, 02:27 pm	#1044 (permalink) (top)
Mr. Blue Sky Molten Ash Posts: 73	Nay, I was just introducing my viewpoint...

Nov 19, 2006, 02:38 pm	#1046 (permalink) (top)
Mr. Blue Sky Molten Ash Posts: 73	Dammit. Apologies... I hate not being able to tell when people are joking on the internet. I'll keep my eyes peeled. And for the record my feelings are just fine. That, I guess, was one of those jokes you were talking about.

Nov 25, 2006, 04:00 pm	#1055 (permalink) (top)
pikatore A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,613	atheist and proud

Dec 3, 2006, 07:13 pm	#1058 (permalink) (top)
anak Molten Ash Posts: 56	DON'T BE ATHEIST, BE SATANIST! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Dec 4, 2006, 06:58 am	#1060 (permalink) (top)
anak Molten Ash Posts: 56	A Nice Little Story I just Madde up for Fun Johhny, a high-school student, is taking a survey for his Christian Ethics class. The survey concerns his friends' religious denominations. He first walks up to George as he takes a sip from the water fountain in the hallway. "So," asks Johnny, "what religion are you?" "Aye, I'm atheist," replies George in a Canadian accent. "Oh, that's cool. See you later," replies Johnny as he walks away, laughing under his breath. Johnny then goes up to Robert in front of locker #666 and asks him the same question. Robert answers, "I'm Satanic!" Johnny, without taking his eyes off little Bobby, slowly backs away, with his left eye slightly twitching. He is completely oblivious to the fact that he walks right into Sally and knocks her down. After ten seconds of unblinked staring, Johnny finally lets out a suppressed yell, turns 180 degrees, and darts in the opposite direction down the hall. As if intentionally egging on Johnny's over-reaction, Bobby calls after him, "Hey, I was gonna to ask you to come to my Satanic Bonfire tonight!" He hears Johnny yelp a second time and sees him pick up speed. Bobby averts his eyes from the hysterical Johnny, looking into his navy-blue locker, and chuckles to himself, "If only he knew what Satanism really was..."