Your Religion

[shield772]

I was raised Southern Baptist, I am now a Evangelical Christian. and I there is only one religion I give credence to and that is Judeaism (Jewish).

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shield772 I was raised Southern Baptist, I am now a Evangelical Christian. and I there is only one religion I give credence to and that is Judeaism (Jewish).

I guess I don't get it. Are you Jewish or Christian?

I was raised Baptist, turned hedonist at eighteen and then became a spirit-filled Christian 23 years ago. My son is a Jewish convert.

[shield772]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I guess I don't get it. Are you Jewish or Christian? I was raised Baptist, turned hedonist at eighteen and then became a spirit-filled Christian 23 years ago. My son is a Jewish convert.

Ok I see where you became confused, I am Christian but the Jews are also correct, except the part about Christ, they missed that one.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: shield772 Ok I see where you became confused, I am Christian but the Jews are also correct, except the part about Christ, they missed that one.

I have to say I was confused too. You said, "and I there is only one religion I give credence to and that is Judeaism (Jewish)" which would indicate you ARE Christian but you don't BELIEVE Christianity. That is what caused the confusion. Most people have one religion and have nothing to do with others. You seem to be more broadminded than that.

[Zealot]

[quote=Athena]I have seen some people who seem comfortable, detached observers of life. This line of thought is pressing an uneasiness on me, and I am tickled by this awareness. I do not chose to be as the observers of life, whom I admire. I

Would you go to hell for your father, or your children's father? Jesus died to save His family, would you?

Zealot

[shield772]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I have to say I was confused too. You said, "and I there is only one religion I give credence to and that is Judeaism (Jewish)" which would indicate you ARE Christian but you don't BELIEVE Christianity. That is what caused the confusion. Most people have one religion and have nothing to do with others. You seem to be more broadminded than that.

I do consider myself broadminded, Thank You.

[CoffeeSaint]

You want broad minded? I just know you goan dig this.

I am an infinitist. I believe that the universe is truly infinite, that it goes on without end, without beginning, in at least one dimension (time), and most likely in all dimensions. But one will do for the discussion here.
If we accept the universe as infinite, that means that every possibility becomes a certainty: if you could flip a coin an infinite number of times, then every possible outcome would happen at least once. Not only would it land heads up, and tails up, and on its edge; it would also land on both heads and tails at once, it would not land at all, and it would spontaneously become a ladybug and bite your finger. That is infinity; it encompasses, literally, EVERYTHING.
So what does that mean for religion? It means that somewhere, sometime in this infinite universe, everything is true. There is a place where Jesus Christ was born the son of god, and died for all of our sins. There is a place where Moses led his people out of bondage, and Jesus was nothing more than a human prophet. There is a place where Allah is the one true god, and Mohammed is his Prophet. There is a place where Zeus rules on Mount Olympus, and there is one where God is shaped like a giant Spork. Somewhere, the Matrix is true; and somewhere, there is no God, and never has been.
You're all right. All of you, and everyone else. So why fight?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint So why fight?

You mean like, argue? or like KILL each other?

Well, either one doesn't belong on this thread 'cause this is just a "gettin' to know you" riff. But I like your common sense about seeing the other guy's position. Bravo!

Quote by: CoffeeSaint I just know you goan dig this

I can dig it...

[Locutus]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint If we accept the universe as infinite, that means that every possibility becomes a certainty: if you could flip a coin an infinite number of times, then every possible outcome would happen at least once. Not only would it land heads up, and tails up, and on its edge; it would also land on both heads and tails at once, it would not land at all, and it would spontaneously become a ladybug and bite your finger. That is infinity; it encompasses, literally, EVERYTHING. So what does that mean for religion? It means that somewhere, sometime in this infinite universe, everything is true.

Sorry to keep the off thread thing happening but a question ?
I too am inclined to beleive the universe is Infinite, but even so why does this automatically mean that there is an infiite number of possibilities. is that actually something that somehow mathematically must go hand in hand with an infinite universe, or is it an assumption.
I mean to make a silly example, if i had hold of a rope that was infiite in length, doesn't your theory maen that with an infinite number of possibilities the rope at some point must turn in to a sperm whale or a washing machine. I know that is a tad nonsensicle but isn't that what the infinite possibility thing implies.
Cheers
Lo
btw///
I am asking not arguing on this one :)

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: Locutus Sorry to keep the off thread thing happening but a question ? I too am inclined to beleive the universe is Infinite, but even so why does this automatically mean that there is an infiite number of possibilities. is that actually something that somehow mathematically must go hand in hand with an infinite universe, or is it an assumption. I mean to make a silly example, if i had hold of a rope that was infiite in length, doesn't your theory maen that with an infinite number of possibilities the rope at some point must turn in to a sperm whale or a washing machine. I know that is a tad nonsensicle but isn't that what the infinite possibility thing implies. Cheers Lo btw/// I am asking not arguing on this one :)

Well, actually, yeah, it does mean that. Anything that is at all possible becomes a certainty, given an infinite number of opportunities. I suppose we could argue about what's impossible, but I prefer to think of it in the most open way I can; that nothing is impossible, given enough time, and enough chances to occur.
If that's too loosey-goosey an answer, think of it like this: the universe is infinite in time, forwards and backwards. The elements/molecules/quarks that make up your infinite rope will, given enough time, break off and become part of a washing machine and a sperm whale; or, they may have been part of a sperm whale and a washing machine before becoming part of the rope.
Or how about this: is it possible that two madly spinning atoms, part of, say, a rope molecule, could hit each other with enough force that they would explode, setting off a rope-y chain reaction; the ensuing nuclear holocaust would make the rope disintegrate, perhaps even mutate, and the other atoms and quarks and such would shift into new and different forms -- Lo! a washing machine and a sperm whale are born.
That answer it?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Nicole I got into a United Pentecostal church when I was 8 years old and suffered therein for 8 more years. I quit when I was 16 and no longer have a religion. I'm a very moral person with strict beliefs on how one should live their life, but I have yet to find a church that reflects my beliefs. In the UPC organization, I believe they've lost the true meaning behind Christianity. They are totally caught up in appearance and acquiring power. They've forgotten that what is on the inside is most important. In fact, I was ridiculed and picked on to an unbearable degree while in that religion. When I was just a little girl, adults and kids alike would gang up on me and bring me to tears with absolutely no remorse. I was taught that I could not associate with 'sinners' and had no friends in school either. I think I was better for the experience and it taught me that I should never say hurtful things to another person because of the damage it could cause. But at the same time, I feel like I'm better off without 'religion.' I can be a good person without an organization to fall back on. I do believe in God and believe that there are guidelines one must follow, found in the Bible. I hope to someday find a church to attend.

Forget religion. Put your faith in your relationship with Christ. Calvary Chapel is a nice place to join others in worship and study the word. But God is in you, not a building,

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Apeman81 Forget religion. Put your faith in your relationship with Christ. Calvary Chapel is a nice place to join others in worship and study the word. But God is in you, not a building,

Then you might be the one to answer this question, and that is why Christians always scream bloddy murder about "taking God out of schools" if he resides within the person?

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint Well, actually, yeah, it does mean that.

You mean that but have not understood infinite universe properly. Infinite universe means infinite number of objects and their properties, but not one object (rope getting converted to washing machine). Logically impossibility can not be a part of infinite universe. Universe is infinite from properties point of view only. Details, I have given in my explanation of conception of God and universe on some other thread. You may refer!!!


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[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: Kuldeep You mean that but have not understood infinite universe properly. Infinite universe means infinite number of objects and their properties, but not one object (rope getting converted to washing machine). Logically impossibility can not be a part of infinite universe. Universe is infinite from properties point of view only. Details, I have given in my explanation of conception of God and universe on some other thread. You may refer!!! ]

Actually, I don't believe that we can define the infinite universe; to define it would be to limit it, and that would make it finite -- which it isn't. So, I see no reason why the universe cannot defy its own laws, as those laws are also limits on an infinite universe, and therefore paradoxical.
I think laws/properties/logic are only true locally; in other places/times/dimensions of the universe, they are no longer true, or no longer the same.
Where's your description of god and the universe? I'd love to read it.

[whydoumockme]

Quote by: greendeath I believe religion is a load of garbage. A bunch of lies carried on for ages is bound to make someone believe in them.

Wow.....you know your very right.....funny thing is how do you know that the images sent back to us from space are real?....ever been there?......how do we know that where not the aliens?......Why did only a few of the monkeys decide to stand up-right and become man?.......where we little revolutionist? Did we want a world of up-right walking and real speach?......Is this really earth?......Could the matrix be real?.......i am 100% christian and i laugh at all these people who belive that some way, some how we just decided to walk up right or some unexplained boom happened and the galaxy was created.....that sounds more like crap than believing that God crated us, you may not be able to prove it but it explains a whole lot......I don't belive christanity is a religon but a way of life........The reason for churches is for fellowship and no one said you had to go......but i think it would be easier to get help from people if you knew a few of them who belived in what you did and had the same values....you know i'm just saying...... so greendeath i'm just saying everything we ever thought to be true could be some old dead guys idea of a joke......so i would advise you to be careful with your choice of words

[rez]

Quote by: whydoumockme .i am 100% christian and i laugh at all these people who belive that some way, some how we just decided to walk up right or some unexplained boom happened and the galaxy was created.....

So what you are saying is that your religion is based on ignorance? The fact that you can think no further then "monkeys just decided to walk up right" means you dont think the process of evolution is not complicated at all. Do you think everything is as cut and dry? When you study History homework do you carry the same attitude? Another scientific theory you brought up sounds cut and dry too - "unexplained boom". I dont know about you, but why should I trust anything you say when you dont critically think about ANYTHING. Most likely you voted for Bush and feel his policies are wonderful - I mean hes an average man, just like you. However, your standards of average, to me, are below average.


Please keep your backwards thinking in the south, where it flurishes.

[intel295]

Well, my 2c:

I belive there would be no great ruler, who would differenciate between people. I don't know why a greater being-god-would say "this guys will be good, this guy-bad". Well, you could say humans ate from the tree of knowledge. But if god created us, so he should know what we can and can't do. He or she is powerless if that being can't control us. Also, what great ruler won't accept all people into heaven, and grant all people repayment for their sins?

But, then again, I believe, religion does keep people from commiting bad things. I'm serious. Statistic show religious people are less likely to get involved in that stuff. I also don't belive in paying, because what great ruler would like to be adulated upon?

[Walmas]

Quote by: intel295 But, then again, I believe, religion does keep people from commiting bad things. I'm serious. Statistic show religious people are less likely to get involved in that stuff. I also don't belive in paying, because what great ruler would like to be adulated upon?

Good job you have just found the only good purpose of relgion.

[rez]

Quote by: intel295 But, then again, I believe, religion does keep people from commiting bad things. I'm serious. Statistic show religious people are less likely to get involved in that stuff. I also don't belive in paying, because what great ruler would like to be adulated upon?

What do you mean "bad stuff"?

Did you know when the Puritans and the Quackers were discriminated in England they moved to America and named their settlement New England. Once the Puritans and Quakers were settled in New England the Puritans were mad at the Quakers beliefs. The Puritans were fundalmentalist whereas the Quakers were less strict (they didnt have a minister to preaching at church). The Puritans did not like this so they started design laws, laws that were aimed at stoping Quakers from practicing their type of religion. For instance, Puritans did not like how Quakers did not take off their hats when meeting someone. As time went on the Puritans kept piling and piling Quakers in jail and guess what? These laws were not stoping Quakers from practicing their beliefs. Puritans got so mad they even started KILLING these Quakers.

As time went on these Quakers packed the jails Puritans had constructed. The funny thing was, the really bad people were actually geting away with their crimes!

The moral of the story? Puritans are the start of the Baptist Christians or any other fundalmentlist Christians.

These people have something wrong with them. Dogma has stoped any type of critical thought for them. They can read a book from the Bronze Age and feel satisfied without having any question in mind.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: rez ...Quackers...

I take it your describing the heretical sect of ducks who fled persecution.