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Cobain · Sep 22, 2003, 03:59 am

I am a baptist.

Anarchist Patriot · Sep 23, 2003, 07:05 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by xm.bretton@09-22-2003 03:10 AM
“Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1, 7)

Ahhhhhhhh....

a quote from Saul of Tharsus I see.
I have nothing against Paul but don't forget that his words were the words of an ordinary man. These were not the words of Jesus who said that his kingdom was not of this world.

Remember also that Paul and his followers did find it necessary to abide by the laws of the empire for their own survival. Paul was speaking to an audience that existed 2000 years ago. The world has changed considerably since then.

xm.bretton · Sep 23, 2003, 08:26 pm

Quote:

These were not the words of Jesus who said that his kingdom was not of this world.

I do believe Jesus was refering to remaining neutral with political affairs of his time, as we would now.

but opposing the current governments installed by man, this would go against what Jesus directly said.

recall when the jews asked Jesus if a man should pay his taxes (taxes are involved in subjection to the local authorities). he said they should pay caesars things to caesar, but gods things to god. (mark 12:17)

the rest of my earlier quote is also good to note: romans 13:1 "...the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God"

anyways... its pretty clear. but you are aloud to pick and choose your beliefs from the bible. I choose to accept it all. :)

Paul · Apr 18, 2004, 01:56 pm

My religion? CHRISTIANITY? Examine the history of christianity. Well, my religion is LOVE.

WHERE LOVE RULES:
--- RIGHTEOUSNESS RULES ALSO, because LOVE without righteoussness bears no good fruits . ( righteoussness ---> just, good, honest, ethical, honorable, trustworthy, reputable, moral, etc.)
--- kindness and compassion rules also.
--- usery and exploitation, sexual or otherwise would not be
--- NO ONE would knowingly take part in behaviours that causes suffering to oneself and/or to others, including the unborn
--- A RELIGION of one kind or another kind CANNOT RULE, because it shuts the door to the kingdom of God where LOVE RULES. " For ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." ( Matt. 23:1-39 )
--- mankind would become stewards (caretakers) of the planet earth so its ecosytem can be healed.
--- Women and men would be of equal important, and women do not live in fear of men.
--- ALL children will be LOVED, and they will no longer be abused and neglected.
--- the children will no longer suffer from hunger and thirst
--- People would LOVE their neighbours as they LOVE themselves.
--- racism would not be
--- corruption, deception, and secrecy would not be.
.--- mankind would learn of WAR no more. The hardware and software from the ALL Weapons of WAR will be disabled and transformed for peaceful uses for the betterment of the world.
--- all the knowledges (soft and hard sciences, math and physics etc., art and music, athletics, etc. ) that mankind has been given, will be taught for the well being of the whole world.
--- people will not laugh, cheer, or rejoice at or about the misfortunes and/or demise of others.
--- ( etc. >------------------ . )
Can you imagine what the world would be like, WHERE LOVE RULES in every aspect of the human community?

ASK A LITTLE CHILD, if he or she would want to live in a world where LOVE RULED in every aspect of the human community? " --- forbid them not --- " (Matt. 19:14 ).

Where LOVE DOES NOT RULE there is NO PEACE. Where there is PEACE, LOVE RULES. FREEDOM and DEMOCARY can NOT bring about PEACE when LOVE DOES NOT RULE. WORLD PEACE can be achieved only when LOVE RULES in all nations.

This is the religion that was given to me which I also accept as my religion.

Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 18, 2004, 02:16 pm

I'm atheist, and I find all that love talk from Paul is laughable. Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. I would not listen to a religion that condemns homosexuality.

dotcoma · Apr 18, 2004, 02:28 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Incorrect, people that have claimed to be Christians are the ones with the "dark history." Christianity is not a person. It cannot be deceptive or commit atrocities.

Apr 18, 2004, 02:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Incorrect, people that have claimed to be Christians are the ones with the "dark history." Christianity is not a person. It cannot be deceptive or commit atrocities.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

How do I have a dark history?

Never said Christianity is a person. I said the religion itself has a dark history, and those behind it have committed atrocities in the name of Christianity. So you are incorrect again.

Paul · Apr 18, 2004, 02:53 pm

Hello Giancarlo,

Let me know what religion I belong to?

You find my LOVE talk laughable, well that's a much better response than I get from the religious people.

Explain what's laughable.

Peace be with you, Paul

dotcoma · Apr 18, 2004, 02:57 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)

How do I have a dark history?

<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Never said you did.

Apr 18, 2004, 03:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paul,)
Hello Giancarlo,

Let me know what religion I belong to?

You find my LOVE talk laughable, well that's a much better response than I get from the religious people.

Explain what's laughable.

Peace be with you, Paul<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I don't belong to any religion. I'm not theist.

Paul · Apr 18, 2004, 03:18 pm

CHRISTIANTY? --- A belief system, and christians are the people within that system that are divided against each other. The foundation of this belief system is not LOVE.

Peace be with you, Paul

Impenitent · Apr 18, 2004, 03:49 pm

KLAN LOVES THE KLAN

Paul · Apr 18, 2004, 10:37 pm

To Christians;

--- " why call me LORD, LORD, and do not the things which I say?- ( Luke 6:46)

---"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you ---" ( Matt.5:43-48 )

---"Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you ---" ( Luke 6:27-38 )

--- "love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again: and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." ( Luke 6:27-38 )

Where are the christians that believe in these words?

Peace be with you, Paul

shunyadragon · Apr 19, 2004, 08:53 am

I am a Baha'i, because it is a modern religion that realizes the time and place for all religions and provides modern guidance for a safe jourmey into the future. As to the older religions I prefer Buddhism and Taoism for their undefined view of God and their open view of the nature of the journey and reality.

Judism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and other older religions are out of date and cannot relate to the modern world. Besides they are too busy making war on each other and trying to prove they are the only religion.

The primal religions are okay, but suffer dearly at the hands of the fundimentalists and militants.

PatrickHenry · Apr 19, 2004, 12:32 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul,
To Christians;

--- " why call me LORD, LORD, and do not the things which I say?- ( Luke 6:46)

---"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you ---" ( Matt.5:43-48 )

---"Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you ---" ( Luke 6:27-38 )

--- "love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again: and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." ( Luke 6:27-38 )

Where are the christians that believe in these words?

Peace be with you, Paul

Ahem...(tentatively raises hand)

dotcoma · Apr 19, 2004, 12:53 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Giancarlo,
I'm atheist, and I find all that love talk from Paul is laughable. Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. I would not listen to a religion that condemns homosexuality.

Speaking of things that are laughable....

Apr 19, 2004, 01:58 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (roxdog,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Giancarlo,
I'm atheist, and I find all that love talk from Paul is laughable. Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. I would not listen to a religion that condemns homosexuality.

Speaking of things that are laughable....[/b][/quote]

What is so laughable about my lack of beliefs? Can you disprove my atheism? No you can't. Get off my case.

dotcoma · Apr 19, 2004, 02:22 pm

No, it's acually your beliefs themselves that are laughable. I don't give a sh!t that you reject God. That's your problem.

Apr 19, 2004, 02:25 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,
No, it's acually your beliefs themselves that are laughable. I don't give a sh!t that you reject God. That's your problem.

You can't prove god. Why the hell are my beliefs laughable? How so? Explain.

Apr 19, 2004, 11:03 pm

I don't have any "beliefs" either. I try to live by the golden rule of treating others as I would have them treat me. OR there's the silver rule of don't treat others as you would not want them to treat you. Confucious.

Apr 18, 2004, 02:28 pm	#66 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Incorrect, people that have claimed to be Christians are the ones with the "dark history." Christianity is not a person. It cannot be deceptive or commit atrocities.

Apr 18, 2004, 02:29 pm	#67 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Incorrect, people that have claimed to be Christians are the ones with the "dark history." Christianity is not a person. It cannot be deceptive or commit atrocities.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> How do I have a dark history? Never said Christianity is a person. I said the religion itself has a dark history, and those behind it have committed atrocities in the name of Christianity. So you are incorrect again.

Apr 18, 2004, 02:57 pm	#69 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) How do I have a dark history? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Never said you did.

Apr 18, 2004, 03:05 pm	#70 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paul,) Hello Giancarlo, Let me know what religion I belong to? You find my LOVE talk laughable, well that's a much better response than I get from the religious people. Explain what's laughable. Peace be with you, Paul<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I don't belong to any religion. I'm not theist.

Apr 18, 2004, 03:49 pm	#72 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	KLAN LOVES THE KLAN "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Sep 22, 2003, 03:59 am	#61 (permalink) (top)
Cobain Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	I am a baptist.

Apr 18, 2004, 01:56 pm	#64 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	My religion? CHRISTIANITY? Examine the history of christianity. Well, my religion is LOVE. WHERE LOVE RULES: --- RIGHTEOUSNESS RULES ALSO, because LOVE without righteoussness bears no good fruits . ( righteoussness ---> just, good, honest, ethical, honorable, trustworthy, reputable, moral, etc.) --- kindness and compassion rules also. --- usery and exploitation, sexual or otherwise would not be --- NO ONE would knowingly take part in behaviours that causes suffering to oneself and/or to others, including the unborn --- A RELIGION of one kind or another kind CANNOT RULE, because it shuts the door to the kingdom of God where LOVE RULES. " For ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." ( Matt. 23:1-39 ) --- mankind would become stewards (caretakers) of the planet earth so its ecosytem can be healed. --- Women and men would be of equal important, and women do not live in fear of men. --- ALL children will be LOVED, and they will no longer be abused and neglected. --- the children will no longer suffer from hunger and thirst --- People would LOVE their neighbours as they LOVE themselves. --- racism would not be --- corruption, deception, and secrecy would not be. .--- mankind would learn of WAR no more. The hardware and software from the ALL Weapons of WAR will be disabled and transformed for peaceful uses for the betterment of the world. --- all the knowledges (soft and hard sciences, math and physics etc., art and music, athletics, etc. ) that mankind has been given, will be taught for the well being of the whole world. --- people will not laugh, cheer, or rejoice at or about the misfortunes and/or demise of others. --- ( etc. >------------------ . ) Can you imagine what the world would be like, WHERE LOVE RULES in every aspect of the human community? ASK A LITTLE CHILD, if he or she would want to live in a world where LOVE RULED in every aspect of the human community? " --- forbid them not --- " (Matt. 19:14 ). Where LOVE DOES NOT RULE there is NO PEACE. Where there is PEACE, LOVE RULES. FREEDOM and DEMOCARY can NOT bring about PEACE when LOVE DOES NOT RULE. WORLD PEACE can be achieved only when LOVE RULES in all nations. This is the religion that was given to me which I also accept as my religion. Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 18, 2004, 02:16 pm	#65 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	I'm atheist, and I find all that love talk from Paul is laughable. Christianity has a dark history of deception and atrocities. I would not listen to a religion that condemns homosexuality.

Apr 18, 2004, 02:53 pm	#68 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	Hello Giancarlo, Let me know what religion I belong to? You find my LOVE talk laughable, well that's a much better response than I get from the religious people. Explain what's laughable. Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 18, 2004, 03:18 pm	#71 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	CHRISTIANTY? --- A belief system, and christians are the people within that system that are divided against each other. The foundation of this belief system is not LOVE. Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 18, 2004, 10:37 pm	#73 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	To Christians; --- " why call me LORD, LORD, and do not the things which I say?- ( Luke 6:46) ---"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you ---" ( Matt.5:43-48 ) ---"Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you ---" ( Luke 6:27-38 ) --- "love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again: and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." ( Luke 6:27-38 ) Where are the christians that believe in these words? Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 19, 2004, 08:53 am	#74 (permalink) (top)
shunyadragon Hot Lava Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 940	I am a Baha'i, because it is a modern religion that realizes the time and place for all religions and provides modern guidance for a safe jourmey into the future. As to the older religions I prefer Buddhism and Taoism for their undefined view of God and their open view of the nature of the journey and reality. Judism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and other older religions are out of date and cannot relate to the modern world. Besides they are too busy making war on each other and trying to prove they are the only religion. The primal religions are okay, but suffer dearly at the hands of the fundimentalists and militants. The empty cup contains the most Frank A Doonan Turn weapons into peace and friendship with gifts of jade-silk www.shunyadragon.com I do not know, therefore I think . . .

Apr 19, 2004, 02:22 pm	#78 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	No, it's acually your beliefs themselves that are laughable. I don't give a sh!t that you reject God. That's your problem.

Apr 19, 2004, 11:03 pm	#80 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	I don't have any "beliefs" either. I try to live by the golden rule of treating others as I would have them treat me. OR there's the silver rule of don't treat others as you would not want them to treat you. Confucious.