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MerlinsByte · Feb 1, 2005, 03:06 am

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If you can't judge it by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

Starboy

Merlin replies ; mostof, be faithful to your beliefs. This is supposed to be a forum for DEBATING religion and philosophy. Unfortunately there are some here that cannot make a rational debate. And, when their "flawed belief system," and their true intents are exposed, they find themselves mentally naked, on a losing rant, and only have base insults and slurs to fall back on. I will do a spell for them. May your GOD bless you.

MB
p.s. ahhhhh, read on

If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

"someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them"
mb

Starboy · Feb 1, 2005, 10:40 am

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It's not a habit in my case, i don't know where you drew that from. You judge a religion by its scripts; and if it were fair to judge it by its people then no religion would be correct because people are not flawless. I also never said how good a religion makes you feel is a fair base to judge it upon...a lot of times you might believe that you're feeling good, but as time goes by and you look back at that feeling it looks much different.

Fine then. What criterion do you use to judge the writings of a religion?

Starboy

Starboy · Feb 1, 2005, 10:42 am

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Merlin replies ; mostof, be faithful to your beliefs. This is supposed to be a forum for DEBATING religion and philosophy. Unfortunately there are some here that cannot make a rational debate. And, when their "flawed belief system," and their true intents are exposed, they find themselves mentally naked, on a losing rant, and only have base insults and slurs to fall back on. I will do a spell for them. May your GOD bless you.

MB
p.s. ahhhhh, read on

If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

"someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them"
mb

Merlin, perhaps you should spend more time composing your posts. They are not very coherent.

Starboy

MerlinsByte · Feb 1, 2005, 11:05 am

Starboy writes Merlin, perhaps you should spend more time composing your posts. They are not very coherent.

Thanks for the input starboy! I will translate the below post for you in sound bytes.

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Merlin replies ; mostof, be faithful to your beliefs. This is supposed to be a forum for DEBATING religion and philosophy. Unfortunately there are some here that cannot make a rational debate. And, when their "flawed belief system," and their true intents are exposed, they find themselves mentally naked, on a losing rant, and only have base insults and slurs to fall back on. I will do a spell for them. May your GOD bless you.

MB
p.s. ahhhhh, read on

If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

"someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them"

point one; Personal attacks and slurs aren't productive, debate is.

Point two; I was asking mostof not to be bullied into silence.

Point three; When someone must use slurs and attacks, its obvious that they have already lost the debate.

If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

"someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them"
mb

and the above was just saying the tactics that you and others use to discredit a theory, can be used against your own reasoning.

understand?

mb

Starboy · Feb 1, 2005, 11:46 am

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point one; Personal attacks and slurs aren't productive, debate is.

Point two; I was asking mostof not to be bullied into silence.

Point three; When someone must use slurs and attacks, its obvious that they have already lost the debate.

mb

You are getting better. Perhaps you should copy/paste the quote into word and then compose your reply there. Then copy/paste it back into your browser and use the "Preview Post" to examine what you have. Repeat as needed.

1) I agree. But if people insult others intelligence by making dishonest or stupid posts then they have already broken the pact of civility. I usually let them get away with it once or twice and letting them know that they are being dishonest. If they persist well then they get as good as they give.

2) I read this as a request to not be bullied into silence. I have no power to stop you from posting. The only power I have is to comment on stupid or dishonest posts. There is nothing stopping you from making better posts. If your knowledge is questioned the best strategy is to start asking questions yourself. If you are right it will become clear and if you are wrong then you increase the odds or learning something. If you make claims to knowledge that you do not posses then that is dishonest. If it is clear that your dishonest claims are being questioned then there is a good chance that the person questioning them knows more than you. This could be your lucky day because it is very easy to turn the tables and force that person to give you a free education.

3) This is a dishonest argument. If a person uses only slurs and personal attacks then I agree with you. But if there is reasoned argument and deceptive practices are revealed and pointed out then this is not an attack. People can be dishonest and stupid but they have no right to think that they can continuously be dishonest and stupid in public and not hear about it. At some point someone has to call a liar a liar. Someone has to call a fraud a fraud and someone has to call stupidity stupid. The values of political correctness can be taken to extremes to where stupidity, lying and fraud are now correct. People who plead that their stupidities and lies not be pointed out are simply asking for the same recognition of lies and stupidities as honesty and intelligence. People are allowed to be stupid they are not allowed to pass that off as intelligence. People can be dishonest but they should not expect a free pass.

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If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit?

Hey, I don't care what you think about science. You can think it is a huge pile of dung. But I will have to point out to you that this would be a very dishonest thing to do while you are typing on the keyboard of a computer and having a discussion on the internet. Where do you think those things came from? Did Jesus shit them out his ass?

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"someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them"
mb

and the above was just saying the tactics that you and others use to discredit a theory, can be used against your own reasoning.

understand?

Do you think that I am not aware of this? I expect it. I do not want to be dishonest or stupid.

Starboy

MerlinsByte · Feb 1, 2005, 05:25 pm

starboy writes I read this as a request to not be bullied into silence. I have no power to stop you from posting.

Merlin writes First, and if you understand nothing else, try to understand this. Only the administrator will silence me here not you. Think of it as my charity to educate you.

Reread the post again and again and again, or as many times as necessary to understand the plain English. I was asking another member not to be bullied into silence. If you would read a post you might better understand it. Maybe you think that you can understand a post by osmosis? You must read... r-e-a-d... every word.

Now, before responding to a post that Y O U judge to be "stupid", r-e-a-d- i-t f-i-r-s-t. please. Actually, I consider it a plus when claim inability to read or understand my posts. Or consider them "stupid." Why? Your tactics are an admission that you have lost the debate and have resorted to insults, sound familiar?

Should I go over any of the above , a few more times for your so you can understand me starboy? Perhaps tattoo it on your hand, for quick reference? I look forward schooling you and request that you be a polite, good student.

MB

Starboy · Feb 1, 2005, 06:38 pm

Merlin, when I can't understand your posts I ask you to clarify. Now what is there about your post that you think that I do not understand? Or do you automatically assume that I have misunderstood you simply because I disagree with you?

Starboy

MerlinsByte · Feb 1, 2005, 08:26 pm

Merlin replies ;list which posts you don't understand. And I have no problem explaining my views to you. However when you disagree with a post, you resort to name calling and taunts. The debate then degenerates into a useless waste of time. I've related this to you multiple times.

(a) gods speed to you starboy

mb

Starboy · Feb 1, 2005, 08:36 pm

Like I said. When I don't understand a post of yours I already ask you to restate it.

Starboy

El_Diablo · Feb 3, 2005, 03:37 pm

My belief is that Religion was born from sciences inability to explain natural phenomenon,i.e. earthquakes, locust. I believe in my own ability to decide right and wrong and choose the best course of action for myself. As a child growing up Catholic, I knew there was a belief system that was realistic and true to itself. What I found.....believing in invisible people (spirits and angels) was not in my genetic makeup- my beliefs are based on fact, proven science and not be dictated. A single group of all knowing preachers and prophets, soliciting coins for a statue to prove their dedication? How does this make sense? My belief, is believe -in you, be true to yourself and act decently to those around you. I understand those devout individuals may need a higher power in order to navigate this world. I do not denounce you or your beliefs, I simply find it unbelievable. The times we live in are hard, war, famine and natural disaster exist and will contiue to exist. Not because it was willed, but because it is. I do not believe a higher power is "testing" us -events are naturally occuring and we as individuals can effect outcomes. Believe in you.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 3, 2005, 03:37 pm

Actually, science came after religion...

Starboy · Feb 3, 2005, 03:39 pm

And in spite of religion. Religion doesn't like science. Conflicting takes on reality.

Starboy

El_Diablo · Feb 3, 2005, 03:55 pm

Pooeypants, Precisely my point, no frame of refference existed to explain the unexplainable.

mostof · Feb 4, 2005, 09:04 am

Please take a look at this

MerlinsByte · Feb 8, 2005, 05:55 am

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by El Diablo... single group of all knowing preachers and prophets, soliciting coins for a statue to prove their dedication?

by Merlin........"single group of all knowing preachers and prophets"...and Scientists.....

mb

**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 11:04 am

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Please take a look at this

That’s very nice, but apparently you could have predicted 9/11 from the Bible.

Its funny how we could predicted all kinds of things from religious texts. Shame we need the benefit of hindsight to show us this. :rolleyes:

Starboy · Feb 8, 2005, 11:08 am

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That’s very nice, but apparently you could have predicted 9/11 from the Bible.

Its funny how we could predicted all kinds of things from religious texts. Shame we need the benefit of hindsight to show us this. :rolleyes:

It is not funny at all. In fact all supernatural religions are 100% correct on their predictions. Of course this only applies to predictions made after the fact. The fact that so many people find such a thing to be convincing evidence just goes to show how stupid people are in general.

Starboy

dev · Feb 16, 2005, 07:48 pm

I have absolutely no knowledge of atheism as an outcome of reasoning, still less as an event: with me it is obvious by instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too high spirited to rest content with a crude answer. God is a crude answer, a piece of indelicacy against us thinkers- fundamentally even a crude prohibition to us: you shall not think!

**Jack** · Feb 22, 2005, 03:18 pm

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God is a crude answer, a piece of indelicacy against us thinkers- fundamentally even a crude prohibition to us: you shall not think!

Very well put. There are those to whom life's most basic questions are frightening, and for them there is comfort in believing in the supernatural. Then there are those of us to whom the questions are a challenge, those of us who accept death as a natural end to living, life as a happy accident and every day as a unique event to be enjoyed as much as possible. We have no need to blame a supernatural devil for the things we perceive as bad, nor do we thank a supernatural being for those things we see as good. And we do not assign those things we do not yet understand the title of miracles. Humans are among the newest specie of animal on this planet. To think that we alone can define the rules for everything that happens here is both egotistic and foolish. Perhaps after we've been around as long as the dinosaurs were, we'll have a few more answers. But for me, the answer will never be "god".

FUDGE · Feb 22, 2005, 07:53 pm

i believe what buddhist believes in - afterlife, hell, god, etc

but i'm not a vegetarian
monk/nun cannot eat fish, egg, meat, or garlic (they believe garlic has life)

i have a belief, but i am not following all the strict rules set up in religious term

that's why i cannot understand why aribian women have 2 wear veil
people do good things, it does not mean they R not religous
perhaps they just do what they believe in

Feb 1, 2005, 11:05 am	#584 (permalink) (top)
MerlinsByte BANNED Posts: 1,267	Starboy writes Merlin, perhaps you should spend more time composing your posts. They are not very coherent. Thanks for the input starboy! I will translate the below post for you in sound bytes. Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin replies ; mostof, be faithful to your beliefs. This is supposed to be a forum for DEBATING religion and philosophy. Unfortunately there are some here that cannot make a rational debate. And, when their "flawed belief system," and their true intents are exposed, they find themselves mentally naked, on a losing rant, and only have base insults and slurs to fall back on. I will do a spell for them. May your GOD bless you. MB p.s. ahhhhh, read on If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit? "someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them" point one; Personal attacks and slurs aren't productive, debate is. Point two; I was asking mostof not to be bullied into silence. Point three; When someone must use slurs and attacks, its obvious that they have already lost the debate. If you can't judge SCIENCE (which reeks of fraudulent claims and people) by its people then what do you judge it by. How good it makes you feel? Or by it's "truth"? Or in your case is it just a matter of habit? "someone's own logic can be a weapon of suicide when handed to back to them" mb and the above was just saying the tactics that you and others use to discredit a theory, can be used against your own reasoning. understand? mb Last edited by MerlinsByte; Feb 1, 2005 at 11:09 am.

Feb 1, 2005, 05:25 pm	#586 (permalink) (top)
MerlinsByte BANNED Posts: 1,267	starboy writes I read this as a request to not be bullied into silence. I have no power to stop you from posting. Merlin writes First, and if you understand nothing else, try to understand this. Only the administrator will silence me here not you. Think of it as my charity to educate you. Reread the post again and again and again, or as many times as necessary to understand the plain English. I was asking another member not to be bullied into silence. If you would read a post you might better understand it. Maybe you think that you can understand a post by osmosis? You must read... r-e-a-d... every word. Now, before responding to a post that Y O U judge to be "stupid", r-e-a-d- i-t f-i-r-s-t. please. Actually, I consider it a plus when claim inability to read or understand my posts. Or consider them "stupid." Why? Your tactics are an admission that you have lost the debate and have resorted to insults, sound familiar? Should I go over any of the above , a few more times for your so you can understand me starboy? Perhaps tattoo it on your hand, for quick reference? I look forward schooling you and request that you be a polite, good student. MB Last edited by MerlinsByte; Feb 1, 2005 at 05:29 pm.

Feb 3, 2005, 03:37 pm	#591 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Actually, science came after religion... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 1, 2005, 06:38 pm	#587 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	Merlin, when I can't understand your posts I ask you to clarify. Now what is there about your post that you think that I do not understand? Or do you automatically assume that I have misunderstood you simply because I disagree with you? Starboy

Feb 1, 2005, 08:26 pm	#588 (permalink) (top)
MerlinsByte BANNED Posts: 1,267	Merlin replies ;list which posts you don't understand. And I have no problem explaining my views to you. However when you disagree with a post, you resort to name calling and taunts. The debate then degenerates into a useless waste of time. I've related this to you multiple times. (a) gods speed to you starboy mb

Feb 1, 2005, 08:36 pm	#589 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	Like I said. When I don't understand a post of yours I already ask you to restate it. Starboy

Feb 3, 2005, 03:37 pm	#590 (permalink) (top)
El_Diablo Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	My belief is that Religion was born from sciences inability to explain natural phenomenon,i.e. earthquakes, locust. I believe in my own ability to decide right and wrong and choose the best course of action for myself. As a child growing up Catholic, I knew there was a belief system that was realistic and true to itself. What I found.....believing in invisible people (spirits and angels) was not in my genetic makeup- my beliefs are based on fact, proven science and not be dictated. A single group of all knowing preachers and prophets, soliciting coins for a statue to prove their dedication? How does this make sense? My belief, is believe -in you, be true to yourself and act decently to those around you. I understand those devout individuals may need a higher power in order to navigate this world. I do not denounce you or your beliefs, I simply find it unbelievable. The times we live in are hard, war, famine and natural disaster exist and will contiue to exist. Not because it was willed, but because it is. I do not believe a higher power is "testing" us -events are naturally occuring and we as individuals can effect outcomes. Believe in you.

Feb 3, 2005, 03:39 pm	#592 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	And in spite of religion. Religion doesn't like science. Conflicting takes on reality. Starboy

Feb 3, 2005, 03:55 pm	#593 (permalink) (top)
El_Diablo Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	Pooeypants, Precisely my point, no frame of refference existed to explain the unexplainable.

Feb 4, 2005, 09:04 am	#594 (permalink) (top)
mostof Molten Ash Posts: 43	Please take a look at this

Feb 16, 2005, 07:48 pm	#598 (permalink) (top)
dev Écrasez l'infâme! Posts: 16	I have absolutely no knowledge of atheism as an outcome of reasoning, still less as an event: with me it is obvious by instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too high spirited to rest content with a crude answer. God is a crude answer, a piece of indelicacy against us thinkers- fundamentally even a crude prohibition to us: you shall not think!

Feb 22, 2005, 07:53 pm	#600 (permalink) (top)
FUDGE Sedimentary Rock Posts: 23	i believe what buddhist believes in - afterlife, hell, god, etc but i'm not a vegetarian monk/nun cannot eat fish, egg, meat, or garlic (they believe garlic has life) i have a belief, but i am not following all the strict rules set up in religious term that's why i cannot understand why aribian women have 2 wear veil people do good things, it does not mean they R not religous perhaps they just do what they believe in