Your Religion

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

You show great incompetance.

If this is not a personal attack, what do you call one? I have never stated that I do not attack back...

[greendeath]

I already wrote you...that I did not attack you personally, i made a truthful statement.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? Well obviously if you think I'm going on a personal-attacking-spree.

*rolls eyes*

[Dislogic]

greendeath, in either case, that so called "truthful" statement seems to me to be quite obviously a personal attack... not that it really matters, I mean as far as i knew personal attacks were not the subject of this arguement.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

I just can't wait for him to call me a "poopy head" or something along those lines...(lol)

[Pooeypants]

Hey, is anyone ready for Deus Ex Machina?

[greendeath]

GreatWyrm, as I said you show great incompentance, I said so because in my opinion it was well deserved. "You started it" by going after Fallen Angel.

If you think that I was stating a personal attack, I apologise if I had offended you. The statement was not mean't to offend anyone, rather expose the truth on the situation.

Now quit whining about it and get back to the subject at hand.

Religion = lies.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Let me get this straight, you are now claiming that you attacked me because I attacked another poster. When in fact I had "attacked" the other poster for attacking someone else.

Therefore you are complaining that I was doing exactly what you are doing right now!?!

I guess that is not surprising, since in your last attack you attacked me for responding to your personal attack with a personal attack.

Do you follow any of the rules you impose on other people?

[greendeath]

I not once claimed I "attacked" you, and I was not complaining about it.

I thought we were going to drop this pointless flame war and get on with the subject? I suppose some people are too ignorant to "follow any the rules".

[Dislogic]

yes please enough flaming... otherwise i will have delete all the flame posts or worse... lock this thread for good!

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Egad, I give up. The only difference between using logic against you, and beating my head against a tree is that I have no proof that the tree does not understand...

[Pooeypants]

Go Tull, lock it up for good!

[Down]

Both of you need to stop this incessant childlike bantering. And don't even come back with some attempt at a witty reply to this, I only care about the topic at hand, and it will only make you look more foolish. If you wish to continue, could you please take it to email or some other non-public medium? Nobody else cares.

Anyway.. I believe that Man created god in the likeness of himself, rather than the other way around. Even though I am not religious, and in some ways question the intelligence of those who are completely devout, I still think it is an absolute necessity for any society, including a modern one. Our modern laws are almost directly related to many religious oriented laws. Without religion, those laws may not be in place. By having a large part of a society being religious, those people are more likely to abide by those laws because they are imposed in two important parts of their lives. Non-religious people will also generally abide by these laws, of course. On top of the laws are morals and ethics. Morals and ethics are hugely affected by religion. In general, people who are religious are more moral and ethical than people who aren't. I am absolutely not saying that there aren't religious people who who are not at all moral. There are always exceptions to the rule. What I am saying is that in general, as a whole, religious people are a bit more moral. I believe that religion sort of acts to keep out society generally moral and ethical (at least more than what it would be like if religion was completely absent. In the future, there will likely eventually be a time where the average person is responsible enough to retain high moral and ethical standards without the fear of something greater looming above.

I personally consider myself to be a pretty moral and ethical person, and i have no religion. Im sure most of you also feel the same way, but seeing as how this is a debate board, I doubt that the people who post here could really be regarded as 'the average person'

[thrillofitall]

i suppose you could call my Agnostic, but when it comes to death, i just dont see how it could just end right there.. so some of my views clash. I think most religions are very silly, such as christianity. i just find it to be childish in my opinion. I'll try to dig up some stuff on why i think religion is a joke, that i posted on another board a long time ago.



quoted on 1:34pm on 10th Jun, [RS] Fatal Mistake U[m]- wrote:
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RGR. The problem comes when ppl forget its more of a relationship w/ ur Father in Heaven than it is a set of rules that bind u. It sets u free in actuality.

And yes, athiests r hypocrites. They claim they dont believe in religion, but they believe in evolution(some of them) or some thing that brought them into existance. BUT, that IS a religion as it explains how they and the world came about. It is a belief system. Yet they claim that all religions r false.

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mr. barber:

First off, i would just like to say that i think religion is one of the biggest evils in the world. Whatever good religions have is far out wieghed by the evil it causes.

There are tons of religious nut cases running around the world in the name of their god (Osama Bin Ladin, Suddam Hussein, George Bush, etc.)

I just dont see how any rational person could believe that there is some skinny dude with a long beard in the sky looking down on us all our lives. And when we die we go up into the clouds and visit him, and if we are bad we go down into hell.

It just is silly. It is childish if you ask me. I dont mean for this to be an attack on Christianity, and for the most part i have never personally met an "evil" Christian. I just using it as an example because it is whats around me. One of my best friends is a devout christian infact.

and Fatal Mistake, believing in evolution (science) has nothing to do with religion. They are too completely different things.

I completely agree with Base.

I also hate the way when you find something say the UNIVERSE, a religious person will automattically say, god created that. Its the same for all unexplainable things.

god created dinosaurs and all microscopic life? no he didnt! he put the bones in the Earth for us to find and play with!

It just seems totally childish and irational to me.

Also, i dont really care that god was mentioned in the Pledge of Allegiance, but on the same note, who cares if they take it out. If im not mistaken, it wasn't always there anyway.


God Did It? So What? - http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/juggler.html -- "A magic man in the sky made it all with magic."


a good atheist website http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/

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another:



and another thing is there is no doubt in my mind that there was a really great guy named Jesus who walked around a preached the good word for many years, and killed on a cross. that doesnt make me think that he created the universe and is watching over me, and satan is down below claiming anyone he can get his hands on. To me, the Bible just seems like a good story, that gives some good morals and thats about it.

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another:
um, dinosaurs tie into evolution. They evolved just like all other animals. They are closely related to birds and reptiles. They were just the dominant creature on the planet at the time mammals, reptiles, etc weren't very big. When the meteorite hit the Yukitan peninsula (assuming that theory is correct), it put large ammounts of dust into the air, blocking a great deal of sunlight, creating deserts, killing plants, etc. This was probably why the dinosaurs were killed off. There is tons of information supporting this theory. After the impact, large ammounts of iridium (a very rare element, found in space dust and on astroids) were deposited in the crust. We have done carbon dating tests, etc. on the rocks that the element was found on, which revealed it to be roughly around the estimated times of impact..... When the dinosaurs died off, the smaller mammals were able to take the place of the dinosaurs. They adapted and grew, since their main predators were gone.

and another thing
on 5:25pm on 13th Jun, [RS] BonZo wrote:a Day in Gods eyes could be completely different from a day in our eyes.



a day is a day. the earth has rotated around the sun at the same speed, for billions of years, besides from very slight changes. and where do you draw that conclusion from? just curious... is it just an assumption? some sort of denial? i obviously am not a follower of the bible... i wouldnt know if it is written in there somewhere.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Mother Down
We stopped arguing 4 days ago look at the dates...

[Down]

Haha, sorry. I just got back from a camping trip, most of those posts were new, and I didn't pay attention to the dates.

[Anarchist Patriot]

Originally posted by dotComa@08-29-2003 12:52 AM Hey, I'm new to the forums, and I think a good way to get things rolling here would be to ask something personal about you. What is your religious affiliation, why, and what conclusions have you come to about your own religion. Do you accept other ones? If not why... I myself was baptized catholic, but I find myself in a state of disbelief. I tend to keep an open mind, and believe that I do not know enough about my surroundings to judge them yet. I hold an attitude of "if there's a God I've been a good guy, but I'm not going to drink the Kool-Aide" if you get my drift. so...how about you?

I am Catholic and goddam proud of it!

I attend mass weekly. I love Jesus. I also respect all other faiths. I am also an anarchist and see no contradiction between being a Christian and an anarchist.

[Section 8]

Personally, I am Jewish, and I believe that if there was a G-D than Judaism is on target. According Judaism your actions speak louder than your beliefs. This, I believe, is different than most Judeo-Christian religions. (Christianity, Islam) In fact Israel means "struggle with G-D." The thing that I fail to see in Christianity is if G-D is so forgiving and merciful then why do people spend eternity in eternal damnation. Shouldn't G-D forgive them for there sins and allow them into heaven. I don't see how Hitler is in heaven and Albert Schweitzer is rotting in hell. If you're a Christian could you please explain.

Shalom

[xm.bundun]

there are many loopholes in all religions section 8, so to each his own.

[xm.bretton]

it is still widely debated if hell even exists, and if there is substantial proof from the bible of it.

the word used in the king james version (as well as in the catholic douay version and most older translations) to translate the hebrew she´ohl´ and the Greek hai´des. in the Douay version she´ohl´ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once." in the king james version the word she'ohl is translated into "grave" 31 times, and 3 times into "pit", and into "hell" 31 times also.

the bible clearly states: the wages sin pays is death. not eternal torment.

just a side note :)

[xm.bretton]

Originally posted by Anarchist Patriot@09-16-2003 02:11 PM I am Catholic and goddam proud of it! I attend mass weekly. I love Jesus. I also respect all other faiths. I am also an anarchist and see no contradiction between being a Christian and an anarchist.

“Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1, 7)