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rez · Oct 2, 2006, 03:34 pm

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According to the stories, the means of death appears to be very important. Those who suffered violent and/or tragic death seem unwilling or unable to "cross-over" (to where ever one crosses over to.)

Or perhaps violent or tragic death just make better stories.

Who determines whether the death is violent or tragic? Death is death, there is not much to it. Humans just find creative ways of achieving the same result of death (jumping off a tall building, abandoning children in a deep well etc). Would you agree that there is no difference between dying of old age and committing suicide at a young age, other then the latter being a more captivating story to tell?

Captain Chaos · Oct 2, 2006, 04:23 pm

Ghosts can sometimes be explained by powerful geoelectric fields - electric fields produced by geological forces.

ItsDarts · Oct 2, 2006, 06:39 pm

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Ghosts can sometimes be explained by powerful geoelectric fields - electric fields produced by geological forces.

Then why call them ghosts? Why not call them geoelectric fields? Do GEF's have "personalities? If not, then why call them ghosts? Ghost in the popular vernacular, means spirit with personalities, human like apparitions. These questions are necessarily directed at you, but to anyone. It seems that when "ghosts" are "seen" by some people, it would be something in the head, since not all people have seen them. It would seem that they are all in the mind, not in reality. If I were to see "something", my first skeptical reaction would be to go see a doctor, not think I saw a "ghost".:eek:

Captain Chaos · Oct 2, 2006, 06:54 pm

These electric fields can cause hallucinations that cause people to see and sense ghosts.

Sorry, I should have explained that further:

Galvanizing ghosts: geomagnetic fields may be the culprit - Anomalous Experience - Brief Article Psychology Today - Find Articles

samsara15 · Oct 5, 2006, 03:14 pm

Reality may all be in the mind as well, but there has to be a mind to house it. I have lived in what, at the time, I thought was a haunted house, when I was a young teen, but now attribute what I experienced to an over-active imagination and sleep apnea (which often causes illusions). I tned to think all things must have a material explanation. Even magic, or the supernatural, if such exists.

The Architect · Oct 5, 2006, 04:56 pm

I have heard of this and that may be the case, but i believe that there is another plain of existence( Ive watched Ghost Hunters for hours on end) were spirits go. Im not relgious but i do beleive that there are demons around, maybe not as ghosts maybe as a inner demon inside someone, i think we all have inner demons in use, look at the insane serial killers they say they did it b/c they enjoyed it. i think that is a great example of inner demons that could not be supressed and used in a other way.
Please discuss.

Captain Chaos · Oct 5, 2006, 06:03 pm

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Like a psychological disorder? No, that wasn't what I meant. I can even consider the possibility of auras as long as we look at them as a natural occurance. We know the body produces electomagnetic energy. And as you mentioned, we know we cannot, without specialized equipment, detect radio waves or certain wavelenghts of light with our 5 senses alone. So perhaps some people are able to "see" the electric field around a person's body. That possibility doesn't violate natural law.
Now when it comes to applying attributes to what's observed (Oh, your aura's blue, you must be...) we may well be crossing into pseudoscience.

I can see auras.

I can also teach you to see auras if you wish, starting with your own.

I am not even remotely convinced that it is anything other than a brain/perceptual thing. I believe that attemps at independently confirming auric sight have been less than impressive.

Captain Chaos · Oct 5, 2006, 06:06 pm

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I have heard of this and that may be the case, but i believe that there is another plain of existence( Ive watched Ghost Hunters for hours on end) were spirits go. Im not relgious but i do beleive that there are demons around, maybe not as ghosts maybe as a inner demon inside someone, i think we all have inner demons in use, look at the insane serial killers they say they did it b/c they enjoyed it. i think that is a great example of inner demons that could not be supressed and used in a other way.
Please discuss.

I used to take lots of pain killers (not recreationally, for very real pain) and they made me hallucinate all sorts of fucked up demonic encounters, with voices and semi-visible shapes trying to possess me. I mean, it was really really scary.

Eventually I figured out that I could influenze them. That is, if I thought in the right direction I could control what the voices would say. This proved to me that they were figments of my drugged up imagination (which I mostly believed anyway). Proving this was a significant relief for me.

Demons, even the imaginary kind, suck.

RickSp · Oct 6, 2006, 12:20 pm

Here is somewhat more detailed account of the research. Interesting stuff.

Out-of-Body Experience? Your Brain Is to Blame

samsara15 · Oct 6, 2006, 12:47 pm

The may be other planes of existence, but since there is no way of proving or disproving this idea, find it hard to say more about the subject other than it cannot be entirely ruled out.

If 90% of the mass in the universes is Dark Matter or Dark Energy, both undetectable here on Earth, that tells me that there must be a lot we don't know about the universe we live in.

The Architect · Oct 6, 2006, 04:57 pm

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I used to take lots of pain killers (not recreationally, for very real pain) and they made me hallucinate all sorts of fucked up demonic encounters, with voices and semi-visible shapes trying to possess me. I mean, it was really really scary.

Eventually I figured out that I could influenze them. That is, if I thought in the right direction I could control what the voices would say. This proved to me that they were figments of my drugged up imagination (which I mostly believed anyway). Proving this was a significant relief for me.

Demons, even the imaginary kind, suck.

I guess that drugs of anykind in excessive amounts can cause ghostly images and halucinations, but how do you explain all the other reported encounters that were not infulenced by drugs. Ghost Hunters is a good show but you cant beleive everything you see on TV, i my self have never experinced any kind of ghostly encounter I think i would have to in order to truely beleive in ghosts.

ItsDarts · Oct 6, 2006, 07:31 pm

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I guess that drugs of anykind in excessive amounts can cause ghostly images and halucinations, but how do you explain all the other reported encounters that were not infulenced by drugs. Ghost Hunters is a good show but you cant beleive everything you see on TV, i my self have never experinced any kind of ghostly encounter I think i would have to in order to truely beleive in ghosts.

If you read the link posted a couple of posts up, you can see that this can be contributed to electrical currents acting on certain spots of the brain. In the article, a doctor was applying current to a portion of the brain, inducing out of body type experiences and the feeling of "some shadowy" figures next to the test subject. Epilepsy is also a known cause of extreme visions of grandure. It is also thought that Paul (from the bible) had epilepsy and this is what caused his vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus. If you read Revelations, you can read about some pretty wild "visions" John had... I read Rev. today and immediately thought, this guy was on some serious drugs or was having an epileptic attack. I'm suprprised no one has done a movie based on the fantasies in revelations.

dreamer · Oct 10, 2006, 01:07 pm

Ghosts seen one of them very cloudy subject people think your going mad staying away from this debate on ghosts.Chilled me to the bone when one passed threw me.You would only belive if you was there at that time so i cannot make you belive so i will stop with there "Real"

Dreamer

Captain Chaos · Oct 10, 2006, 01:45 pm

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I guess that drugs of anykind in excessive amounts can cause ghostly images and halucinations, but how do you explain all the other reported encounters that were not infulenced by drugs. Ghost Hunters is a good show but you cant beleive everything you see on TV, i my self have never experinced any kind of ghostly encounter I think i would have to in order to truely beleive in ghosts.

I have experienced a ghostly encounter (of sorts) a few times.

I leave the idea open, but cannot really say I believe.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Oct 14, 2006, 02:17 pm

Is their a ghost of a chance they are real , perhaps , even our misguided reality!

Nathan Struth · Oct 15, 2006, 03:22 am

Sorry to be closeminded....No There are no such things as ghosts, what is this scooby doo? I've had some very convincing experiences, one even about 3 months ago. The first experience was as a child hearing things without any medication; seeing auras (at age 6 I realized it was the light around someone), seeing things. At age 5 in my bedroom I heard a chainsaw (my dad doesn't have one) I had never heard that sound in my life! and I saw a shadow move across the room; it was going "shhhh...sshhhh" Scared me shitless. Made me a believer; from that point on I HAD to keep the light on and the radio as a distraction simultaneously until I reached age 12 ! I had to, I was so paranoid; at sleepaway camp I was only able to because of the people I slept near at the bunks. I finally logically deduced what it probably was. I remember an evergreen tree right near my window (caused the shadows), I also remember my neighbor had a chainsaw. ANd the shhh was a voice stimulated by my head most likely.

My second Experice:
The darkness always creeped me out, I would run sometimes but never scream to get passed it. But then while I was camping out with one of my friends on a boy scout campout, I heard large footsteps on the ground. Me, Will, and Mitchell were in an A-Frame. Mitchell was asleep. This happened at age 14. Will heard it as well and we were getting really scared, we thought it wasn't a bear as there were no bears in Irvington woods. But as we thought of possobility, we started to believe! He had to piss so me and my scared head thought if it was a bear we may have a chance of self-defense with our pocket knives (retarded?). I was a good friend and stood gaurd while he pissed. We got back in the tent, and kept hearing the creature get closer and closer. We thought it was supernatural; next a bear. We eventually went back to sleep as the being passed. TO this day we still think it's a bear.

third experience: As I woke up in the early morning I heard a large bass sound and thought it was a ghost talking....I'm really scared and then I go back to sleep. Wake up again and hear it again and find that it's a truck...wow....how stupid.

#4 Please explain your definition of soul and life force. In my opinion, tehre is no soul, but mind. No life force, but energy.

Ghosts Do not exist. The only thing that exists are people who can't think of logical explanations for the various phenomena that they're witnessing. I can't even believe the history channel does stuff on ghosts and alien sightings. It regards them as "unseen forces". I officially discredit the history channel as a factual source now. It's more like a broad set of definitions if anything.

People who hear things exist, people who see things that aren't there exist, people who make up things exist. What doesn't exist is ghosts or "spirits".

If you disagree please say so with any point I've made.

A_micheal · Oct 15, 2006, 02:45 pm

Ghosts are demons. Im sure many of you will call me a religious fanatic, but oh well. They are evil spirits that are trying to confuse and mislead. Thats not to say that experiences arent often the result of lack of sleep or a brain disorder. But the ones that actually happened (and their are too many reports to deny that something happened to many of those people) are demons. Plain and simple.

Nathan Struth · Oct 15, 2006, 11:00 pm

Most of people are hysteric. We have flaws you know, every one of us Michael. And please define "spirit" I don't understand. And how is this a confirmed fact? Demons? Are these biiological in any way??? Please explain Michael

Captain Chaos · Oct 16, 2006, 10:06 am

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Ghosts are demons. Im sure many of you will call me a religious fanatic, but oh well. They are evil spirits that are trying to confuse and mislead. Thats not to say that experiences arent often the result of lack of sleep or a brain disorder. But the ones that actually happened (and their are too many reports to deny that something happened to many of those people) are demons. Plain and simple.

Do you have any sort of evidence at all to support this claim?

Nathan Struth · Oct 19, 2006, 09:26 pm

SHield? Respond or be a coward it's your choice....

Oct 2, 2006, 04:23 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Captain Chaos Shifting Paradigms Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 3,102	Ghosts can sometimes be explained by powerful geoelectric fields - electric fields produced by geological forces. Do all things with love.

Oct 2, 2006, 06:54 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Captain Chaos Shifting Paradigms Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 3,102	These electric fields can cause hallucinations that cause people to see and sense ghosts. Sorry, I should have explained that further: Galvanizing ghosts: geomagnetic fields may be the culprit - Anomalous Experience - Brief Article Psychology Today - Find Articles Do all things with love.

Oct 6, 2006, 12:20 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	Here is somewhat more detailed account of the research. Interesting stuff. Out-of-Body Experience? Your Brain Is to Blame Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

Oct 15, 2006, 03:22 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	Sorry to be closeminded....No There are no such things as ghosts, what is this scooby doo? I've had some very convincing experiences, one even about 3 months ago. The first experience was as a child hearing things without any medication; seeing auras (at age 6 I realized it was the light around someone), seeing things. At age 5 in my bedroom I heard a chainsaw (my dad doesn't have one) I had never heard that sound in my life! and I saw a shadow move across the room; it was going "shhhh...sshhhh" Scared me shitless. Made me a believer; from that point on I HAD to keep the light on and the radio as a distraction simultaneously until I reached age 12 ! I had to, I was so paranoid; at sleepaway camp I was only able to because of the people I slept near at the bunks. I finally logically deduced what it probably was. I remember an evergreen tree right near my window (caused the shadows), I also remember my neighbor had a chainsaw. ANd the shhh was a voice stimulated by my head most likely. My second Experice: The darkness always creeped me out, I would run sometimes but never scream to get passed it. But then while I was camping out with one of my friends on a boy scout campout, I heard large footsteps on the ground. Me, Will, and Mitchell were in an A-Frame. Mitchell was asleep. This happened at age 14. Will heard it as well and we were getting really scared, we thought it wasn't a bear as there were no bears in Irvington woods. But as we thought of possobility, we started to believe! He had to piss so me and my scared head thought if it was a bear we may have a chance of self-defense with our pocket knives (retarded?). I was a good friend and stood gaurd while he pissed. We got back in the tent, and kept hearing the creature get closer and closer. We thought it was supernatural; next a bear. We eventually went back to sleep as the being passed. TO this day we still think it's a bear. third experience: As I woke up in the early morning I heard a large bass sound and thought it was a ghost talking....I'm really scared and then I go back to sleep. Wake up again and hear it again and find that it's a truck...wow....how stupid. #4 Please explain your definition of soul and life force. In my opinion, tehre is no soul, but mind. No life force, but energy. Ghosts Do not exist. The only thing that exists are people who can't think of logical explanations for the various phenomena that they're witnessing. I can't even believe the history channel does stuff on ghosts and alien sightings. It regards them as "unseen forces". I officially discredit the history channel as a factual source now. It's more like a broad set of definitions if anything. People who hear things exist, people who see things that aren't there exist, people who make up things exist. What doesn't exist is ghosts or "spirits". If you disagree please say so with any point I've made. I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Oct 15, 2006, 11:00 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	Most of people are hysteric. We have flaws you know, every one of us Michael. And please define "spirit" I don't understand. And how is this a confirmed fact? Demons? Are these biiological in any way??? Please explain Michael I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.

Oct 5, 2006, 03:14 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 Ch Latour 61 Location: Maryland Posts: 638	Reality may all be in the mind as well, but there has to be a mind to house it. I have lived in what, at the time, I thought was a haunted house, when I was a young teen, but now attribute what I experienced to an over-active imagination and sleep apnea (which often causes illusions). I tned to think all things must have a material explanation. Even magic, or the supernatural, if such exists.

Oct 5, 2006, 04:56 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
The Architect Agnostic, Cynic Location: New York Posts: 285	I have heard of this and that may be the case, but i believe that there is another plain of existence( Ive watched Ghost Hunters for hours on end) were spirits go. Im not relgious but i do beleive that there are demons around, maybe not as ghosts maybe as a inner demon inside someone, i think we all have inner demons in use, look at the insane serial killers they say they did it b/c they enjoyed it. i think that is a great example of inner demons that could not be supressed and used in a other way. Please discuss.

Oct 6, 2006, 12:47 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 Ch Latour 61 Location: Maryland Posts: 638	The may be other planes of existence, but since there is no way of proving or disproving this idea, find it hard to say more about the subject other than it cannot be entirely ruled out. If 90% of the mass in the universes is Dark Matter or Dark Energy, both undetectable here on Earth, that tells me that there must be a lot we don't know about the universe we live in.

Oct 10, 2006, 01:07 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
dreamer Igneous Magma Posts: 674	Ghosts seen one of them very cloudy subject people think your going mad staying away from this debate on ghosts.Chilled me to the bone when one passed threw me.You would only belive if you was there at that time so i cannot make you belive so i will stop with there "Real" Dreamer

Oct 14, 2006, 02:17 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,124	Is their a ghost of a chance they are real , perhaps , even our misguided reality!

Oct 15, 2006, 02:45 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
A_micheal Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	Ghosts are demons. Im sure many of you will call me a religious fanatic, but oh well. They are evil spirits that are trying to confuse and mislead. Thats not to say that experiences arent often the result of lack of sleep or a brain disorder. But the ones that actually happened (and their are too many reports to deny that something happened to many of those people) are demons. Plain and simple.

Oct 19, 2006, 09:26 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
Nathan Struth don't care Location: NY Posts: 267	SHield? Respond or be a coward it's your choice.... I'm just a fool caught in the rat race of life (Nathan Struth) please help me solve world hunger, It's hard to do it alone.