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Numbnut247 · Sep 1, 2006, 12:50 am

No. I would never kill anyone for any amount of money. Call me close minded but I can't imagine any good reasons for hitmans to kill for money. Hitmans are hired so there are usually never any personal reasons to kill that other person. Is money that important that other people have to die for it? Are hitmans so incapable of making money in other ways that they have to use a gun and shot some person that usually has nothing to do with the hitman. So what if you have a million dollars after killing someone. How do you live with yourself knowing that the money was earned in exchange of a life.

PatrickHenry · Sep 1, 2006, 01:55 am

What if someone else's life means NOTHING to you, Numbnut247?

After all, why should you care about someone whom you have never met?

And if the payoff is big, why would you labor for a meager living when you can live high with very little effort?

Mia · Sep 1, 2006, 02:24 am

You're convincing me, Pat. I think a female would be quite effective - certainly less supicious.

I've been told the going rate is about $10K per person. So I need about 4 kills a year.

As for living high, I think you'd have to kill a LOT of people, or someone very powerful that goes for a huge amount.

Nah, I'll just stick to drug running ;-)

**Chris the Chees** · Sep 1, 2006, 06:57 am

Debi: You're a psychopath.
Marty: No, no. Psychopaths kill for no reason. I kill for *money*.

- Grosse Point Blank

And in answer to the question - probably not.

Osborn F Enready · Sep 1, 2006, 07:03 pm

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Mia said:
Nah, I'll just stick to drug running

I say:
ROFLMAO

Kuldeep · Sep 4, 2006, 04:07 am

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What if someone else's life means NOTHING to you, Numbnut247?

After all, why should you care about someone whom you have never met?

And if the payoff is big, why would you labor for a meager living when you can live high with very little effort?

Except few of your close relative lives of whole world's population means nothing to you!!! Does it mean, if killing others is not considered a crime by law and also nobody dare to challenge you in any way, you would kill the whole world??? It is worth thinking what you would do with all the assest of whole world??? Or, you are making somewhere some sort of limit to the extent of killings!!!!

My dear, NOOOOO!!!!!! After few regular/continuous killings, your conscious would curse you for your inhuman acts. It is inhuman, because you in the heart of heart do not want you should be killed by anybody else for the similar reason of money. How would you or your relatives, family and friends take it if somebody to whom your life means nothing, would kill you?????

I suggest to all those who think they could/would kill for money for very long, better change their that feeling. Even no living being (animals, birds or any species to my best of knowledge) are killing their own species for any reason what so ever. I do not know hunger might be a reason but, still I doubt that even.

Should I conclude, from your and others like minded person's state of minds that "Man is should not name itself worst living being as regads morality and eithics of living being's kingdom??????????????????????????????????? We should think it over and over again please before a final decision as regards killing for money, no matter how large !!!!!!!!:eek:

:rolleyes: :(

:confused:

sorry!!!!!:) ..........

Osborn F Enready · Sep 4, 2006, 01:49 pm

I agree Pat.

Critter · Sep 7, 2006, 12:58 am

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if killing others is not considered a crime by law

That right there is a very scary thought. If that were the case, what would stop Man's decent into savagery?

I could never kill another human being. Whether someone else lives or dies is not my decision to make. I don't care how much money I'd be getting, I'd rather be poor.

PatrickHenry · Sep 7, 2006, 01:20 am

What's interesting is that so far, three individuals have said they would kill another person for the right amount of money...out of a total of 21!

Money is a powerful motivator and elites all over the world use it to get rid of troublesome individuals.

Mia · Sep 7, 2006, 03:59 am

I think it's more common than people realize - if you've got 10K to spare and have no regard for human life, why not step on people like bugs who get in your way?

I'll spend money to exterminate my house from pests - I think there are many people who see it no different.

Kuldeep · Sep 7, 2006, 04:01 am

Pat, you did not reply my post!

Anyway, I would definitely use some part of my monetary tool to wipe out even those 3 out of 21 who are inhuman to kill others (own human speciey) for money. I wonder if I could some how make it 0 out of all the humen on the earth!!! I would like to degrade human in its thinking and make them equivalent to any common animal specie, who at least do not kill their own member even for hunger, what to speak for some possesive item.

Critter · Sep 7, 2006, 05:29 am

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Quote by: PatrickHenry

What's interesting is that so far, three individuals have said they would kill another person for the right amount of money...out of a total of 21!

Money is a powerful motivator and elites all over the world use it to get rid of troublesome individuals.

Money is power, and power corrupts.

Why people can't be happy with the simple things and leave well enough alone is beyond me.

Alive · Sep 8, 2006, 12:52 pm

Life is worth a certain amount of money--that is, there is a certain amount of money that could almost absolutely be used to save a life somwhere on this planet. With that in mind, from a utilitarian point of view, sure, if it is enough money kill the person and donate it immediately to some life-saving charity.

How could you not justify killing someone for a few billion dollars when those dollars, placed in the right hands, could save the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands of people? One life is not worh more than thousands.

PatrickHenry · Sep 8, 2006, 02:34 pm

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Life is worth a certain amount of money--that is, there is a certain amount of money that could almost absolutely be used to save a life somwhere on this planet. With that in mind, from a utilitarian point of view, sure, if it is enough money kill the person and donate it immediately to some life-saving charity.

How could you not justify killing someone for a few billion dollars when those dollars, placed in the right hands, could save the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands of people? One life is not worh more than thousands.

That's a new one! Sure! The philanthropist hitman!

Why didn't I think of that?

Milton Bradley · Sep 8, 2006, 04:45 pm

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That's a new one! Sure! The philanthropist hitman!

Why didn't I think of that?

LOL, indeed.

I guess we should learn from this thought experiment that hypotheticals are dangerous, and ought to be outlawed. It's the only answer.

Critter · Sep 9, 2006, 05:25 am

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Life is worth a certain amount of money--that is, there is a certain amount of money that could almost absolutely be used to save a life somwhere on this planet. With that in mind, from a utilitarian point of view, sure, if it is enough money kill the person and donate it immediately to some life-saving charity.

How could you not justify killing someone for a few billion dollars when those dollars, placed in the right hands, could save the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands of people? One life is not worh more than thousands.

Then, how do you decide whose life is worth less than those hundreds of thousands of people? Whose place is it to make that decision?

Kuldeep · Sep 11, 2006, 03:30 am

Well done Critter!!! Difficult proposition for Alive and his supporters. How one can value somebody's life less than other??????????????????????????

Alive · Sep 11, 2006, 02:37 pm

I'm not valuing one person's life less than another's. I'm valuing one person's life less than hundreds of thousands of others.

Critter · Sep 11, 2006, 11:57 pm

What if the actions of that one person you are killing to save the hundreds of thousands, by some twist of fate, was the person who, indirectly or directly, would have been responsible for saving MILLIONS?

Kuldeep · Sep 12, 2006, 01:19 am

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I'm not valuing one person's life less than another's. I'm valuing one person's life less than hundreds of thousands of others.

Leaving your arthematic aside, tell me who is going to offer you billions of dollers for killing somebody and why? Either he must be insane or would be getting trillions out of that deal. The person to be killed must also be very special carrying so much reward on his head. And then, a person who has intention of killing one person can never have a type of mind helping and saving others. He must definitely be only and only greedy person. Let me quote the sentence of Pat, the opener confirming this.

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" And if the payoff is big, why would you labor for a meager living when you can live high with very little effort?"

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Therefore, such a killer can never donate anything for some noble cause. Had he been really noble then he would not have killed even one person. When he is not saving one person how can he think of saving millions...not digestable proposition!!!!:eek:

I suppose whole of this hypothesis is a simple bull shit!!:(

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What if the actions of that one person you are killing to save the hundreds of thousands, by some twist of fate, was the person who, indirectly or directly, would have been responsible for saving MILLIONS?

Very correct, Critter! It could be like that. But my point is, a killer can never be a genuine doner. Even if he is donating a bit, it would be for show only so that he could earn more and more by further killing and killing.:)

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Sep 1, 2006, 01:55 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	What if someone else's life means NOTHING to you, Numbnut247? After all, why should you care about someone whom you have never met? And if the payoff is big, why would you labor for a meager living when you can live high with very little effort? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Sep 1, 2006, 02:24 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	You're convincing me, Pat. I think a female would be quite effective - certainly less supicious. I've been told the going rate is about $10K per person. So I need about 4 kills a year. As for living high, I think you'd have to kill a LOT of people, or someone very powerful that goes for a huge amount. Nah, I'll just stick to drug running ;-) "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Sep 1, 2006, 06:57 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,245	Debi: You're a psychopath. Marty: No, no. Psychopaths kill for no reason. I kill for money. - Grosse Point Blank And in answer to the question - probably not. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen

Sep 4, 2006, 01:49 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I agree Pat. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Sep 1, 2006, 12:50 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Numbnut247 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	No. I would never kill anyone for any amount of money. Call me close minded but I can't imagine any good reasons for hitmans to kill for money. Hitmans are hired so there are usually never any personal reasons to kill that other person. Is money that important that other people have to die for it? Are hitmans so incapable of making money in other ways that they have to use a gun and shot some person that usually has nothing to do with the hitman. So what if you have a million dollars after killing someone. How do you live with yourself knowing that the money was earned in exchange of a life.

Sep 7, 2006, 01:20 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	What's interesting is that so far, three individuals have said they would kill another person for the right amount of money...out of a total of 21! Money is a powerful motivator and elites all over the world use it to get rid of troublesome individuals. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Sep 7, 2006, 03:59 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I think it's more common than people realize - if you've got 10K to spare and have no regard for human life, why not step on people like bugs who get in your way? I'll spend money to exterminate my house from pests - I think there are many people who see it no different. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Sep 7, 2006, 04:01 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640	Pat, you did not reply my post! Anyway, I would definitely use some part of my monetary tool to wipe out even those 3 out of 21 who are inhuman to kill others (own human speciey) for money. I wonder if I could some how make it 0 out of all the humen on the earth!!! I would like to degrade human in its thinking and make them equivalent to any common animal specie, who at least do not kill their own member even for hunger, what to speak for some possesive item. Last edited by Kuldeep; Sep 7, 2006 at 04:11 am. Reason: correction

Sep 8, 2006, 12:52 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
Alive Human Posts: 679	Life is worth a certain amount of money--that is, there is a certain amount of money that could almost absolutely be used to save a life somwhere on this planet. With that in mind, from a utilitarian point of view, sure, if it is enough money kill the person and donate it immediately to some life-saving charity. How could you not justify killing someone for a few billion dollars when those dollars, placed in the right hands, could save the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands of people? One life is not worh more than thousands.

Sep 11, 2006, 03:30 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640	Well done Critter!!! Difficult proposition for Alive and his supporters. How one can value somebody's life less than other??????????????????????????

Sep 11, 2006, 02:37 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Alive Human Posts: 679	I'm not valuing one person's life less than another's. I'm valuing one person's life less than hundreds of thousands of others.

Sep 11, 2006, 11:57 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
Critter Bullets & Bracelets Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 658	What if the actions of that one person you are killing to save the hundreds of thousands, by some twist of fate, was the person who, indirectly or directly, would have been responsible for saving MILLIONS? Making people go, "WTF?!?!?" since 1979.