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spongecola · Aug 17, 2006, 04:22 am

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

I stand for pro-life. The babies must not carry the burden of the mother, they should be granted of living in this world. I know it will be hard for the young moms to be a mother at an early age but the babies can be adopted right. If they will insist into having an abortion, they will just commit double homicide.

CoffeeSaint · Aug 17, 2006, 10:50 am

Try this thread:
Does life begin at conception? I think it does.

Or this one:
If you are against Abortion, why are there......

Enjoy.

Technosoul · Aug 17, 2006, 11:01 am

Yes, this has been debate in great depth in the postings linsted above.

Not having sex is the original form of abortion because you have aborted the natual processes of the sex drive to generate a larger population.

**Jack** · Aug 17, 2006, 11:08 am

The only reason to think that we should never allow abortion is that you feel humans are somehow better, more valuable, than any other species, I don't. We put down unwanted puppies on a daily basis with little debate on the matter. Why is there only concern when it comes to human babies? If you say it's because humans have a soul or were special creations of god, then you're admitting this is a religious position more than a strictly legal one.
I propose the only person who should have a say in an abortion is the woman who is carrying the child. The father only contrIbuted sperm and has no further contribution to the birth of the child. Even the law acknowledges the unique relationship between the mother and child by generally awarding custody to her in a divorce unless there are extenuating circumstances involving her being unfit.
Abortion is a personal decision. Giving birth to an unwanted or severely disabled child creates a burden on society, a burden you'd think they'd be pleased to avoid by allowing the mother to decide on her own about aborting the fetus.

Lullaby Chainer · Aug 17, 2006, 12:55 pm

Honestly, who cares? I think the issue is terribly over pampered. Religious injected significance on abortion is not needed.

If you don’t support abortion because of your religious dogma, then do everyone a favor and toss this “I have to make the righteous decision for all” mind-set. It’s highly annoying.

If you believe abortion is murder, explain to me why removing a fetus from a woman’s body is so terribly wrong. Use cold raw reasons. “Everyone deserves a chance to live” is not acceptable. Back it up with WHY. If the reason WHY is religious, then see the second paragraph.

TehNinja · Aug 17, 2006, 01:16 pm

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Quote by: Isherwood

The only reason to think that we should never allow abortion is that you feel humans are somehow better, more valuable, than any other species, I don't. We put down unwanted puppies on a daily basis with little debate on the matter. Why is there only concern when it comes to human babies? If you say it's because humans have a soul or were special creations of god, then you're admitting this is a religious position more than a strictly legal one.
I propose the only person who should have a say in an abortion is the woman who is carrying the child. The father only contrIbuted sperm and has no further contribution to the birth of the child. Even the law acknowledges the unique relationship between the mother and child by generally awarding custody to her in a divorce unless there are extenuating circumstances involving her being unfit.
Abortion is a personal decision. Giving birth to an unwanted or severely disabled child creates a burden on society, a burden you'd think they'd be pleased to avoid by allowing the mother to decide on her own about aborting the fetus.

You do not feel that humans are somehow better, more valuable, than any other species??? How can you feel that way? And you can't excuse murder as population control.

Rooney/ManUtd · Aug 17, 2006, 01:27 pm

Quote:

The only reason to think that we should never allow abortion is that you feel humans are somehow better, more valuable, than any other species, I don't. We put down unwanted puppies on a daily basis with little debate on the matter.

So by saying that humans are no more valuable than any other species are you saying that a human life is no more valuable than a roach's life or a fly's? If you see a roach running around your house are you gonna kill it or let it go? I know this is a loaded question but so was the quoted comment.

Also, we hit animals in our cars regularly. Are you saying that running over a squirrel is just as bad as hitting a child chasing a ball across the street?

**Jack** · Aug 17, 2006, 01:51 pm

I'm saying that all life is equally worthy of respect. I'm not saying killing is wrong. I am saying it must be done with respect and consideration of the circumstances. At times it's necessary, at other times it's unjustifiable.
I do not believe there's anything unique about humans other than that I are one (personal bias). :)

**Matt W** · Aug 17, 2006, 02:20 pm

This has been discussed/is being discussed in stupid amounts of detail in other threads - try the top of Philosophy & Religion - 'Does life begin at conception?'.

Closing thread.

Aug 17, 2006, 04:22 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
spongecola Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	Abortion Are you pro-life or pro-choice? I stand for pro-life. The babies must not carry the burden of the mother, they should be granted of living in this world. I know it will be hard for the young moms to be a mother at an early age but the babies can be adopted right. If they will insist into having an abortion, they will just commit double homicide.

Aug 17, 2006, 10:50 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	Try this thread: Does life begin at conception? I think it does. Or this one: If you are against Abortion, why are there...... Enjoy. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy."

Aug 17, 2006, 11:08 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,870	The only reason to think that we should never allow abortion is that you feel humans are somehow better, more valuable, than any other species, I don't. We put down unwanted puppies on a daily basis with little debate on the matter. Why is there only concern when it comes to human babies? If you say it's because humans have a soul or were special creations of god, then you're admitting this is a religious position more than a strictly legal one. I propose the only person who should have a say in an abortion is the woman who is carrying the child. The father only contrIbuted sperm and has no further contribution to the birth of the child. Even the law acknowledges the unique relationship between the mother and child by generally awarding custody to her in a divorce unless there are extenuating circumstances involving her being unfit. Abortion is a personal decision. Giving birth to an unwanted or severely disabled child creates a burden on society, a burden you'd think they'd be pleased to avoid by allowing the mother to decide on her own about aborting the fetus. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Aug 17, 2006, 12:55 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Lullaby Chainer Digital Witchcraft Posts: 3,020	Honestly, who cares? I think the issue is terribly over pampered. Religious injected significance on abortion is not needed. If you don’t support abortion because of your religious dogma, then do everyone a favor and toss this “I have to make the righteous decision for all” mind-set. It’s highly annoying. If you believe abortion is murder, explain to me why removing a fetus from a woman’s body is so terribly wrong. Use cold raw reasons. “Everyone deserves a chance to live” is not acceptable. Back it up with WHY. If the reason WHY is religious, then see the second paragraph. *Powerful.. magical.. e-e-e-eevil..*

Aug 17, 2006, 01:51 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,870	I'm saying that all life is equally worthy of respect. I'm not saying killing is wrong. I am saying it must be done with respect and consideration of the circumstances. At times it's necessary, at other times it's unjustifiable. I do not believe there's anything unique about humans other than that I are one (personal bias). :) The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Aug 17, 2006, 11:01 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,665	Yes, this has been debate in great depth in the postings linsted above. Not having sex is the original form of abortion because you have aborted the natual processes of the sex drive to generate a larger population.

Aug 17, 2006, 02:20 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,104	This has been discussed/is being discussed in stupid amounts of detail in other threads - try the top of Philosophy & Religion - 'Does life begin at conception?'. Closing thread. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.