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Section 8 · Sep 28, 2003, 12:47 pm

While browsing the web for some information on Buddhism I came across a very interesting website. After reading it I realised that Buddhism may be on to something. It made alot of sense, especially the fact that it was not based on dogmatic beliefs, and no fanaticism, which is commonplace in the major religions. Without further ado I present you the website.

http://www.fundamentalbuddhism.com/buddhism.htm

Hope you enjoy it!

Have Fun
Shalom

Sep 29, 2003, 10:18 pm

Thanks for the site. I've found myself closer to Buddhism than any other religion.

uitmokum · Sep 30, 2003, 05:20 am

Quote:

"Kindness towards all things is the true religion." - Buddha

This is my all time favourite quote.

G. Adams · Oct 1, 2003, 04:37 pm

I thought of myself as Buddhist for a few years, and meditated and kept to the ethics (except the not drinking part). Then I realised that I wanted a revolution. Which isn't exactley none-violent. I guess I'll get back to it when I'm older and more apathetic and cynical.

Anarchist Patriot · Oct 1, 2003, 10:13 pm

I do like Buddism. I do find it odd that most buddist societies have poor human rights records. Even Japan, which is very advanced economically has a terrible justice system where 99% of those accused are found guilty and where the death penelty is rigorously enforced.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 1, 2003, 10:16 pm

It has always resembled a pacifist warrior code to me, an interesting contradiction.

Section 8 · Oct 2, 2003, 12:34 am

Has it ever occured to you that maybe all the followers of Buddhism are effecting the legal system. Just because they follow a religion, doesn't mean that the religion is the governing body of society. For Example the US has killed around 6000 civilians in the war in Iraq, and that doesn't adhere to Christian principles.

People aren't expendably, government is
Shalom

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 2, 2003, 12:42 am

Who are you talking to? If it is me, I am not Christian. BTW: I am trying to figure out what you mean by "expendably", I would normally assume you meant expendable, but that makes no sense in that concept, an abstract concept cannot be expended since it has no life.

Section 8 · Oct 2, 2003, 12:48 am

GWB, when I said Christian, I meant that the US is predominantely Christian. And yes I did mean expendable (its late) and I dont see why it doesn't make sense. It means that people are a higher priority than government.

People aren't expendable, government is
Shalom

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 2, 2003, 01:03 am

Actually the USA is a lot less Christian than people think it is. Only trouble is, that it has not filtered into the places of power enough for them to stop pretending to be something that we no longer are. If that makes any sense.

Government is the system by which people do not kill each other, if you 'expend' government people start to kill each other and are therefore 'expended' just as surely as the government. But luckily, government is immortal as long as more than one person exists. The only way to 'expend' government is to kill everyone on the planet, that is why I say it makes no sense...

Section 8 · Oct 2, 2003, 11:03 am

GWB, I think we should stop arguing about the expendable thing, because it ads useless shit to a normally very good discussion. The US is predominantly Christian and Catholic.

G. Adams · Oct 3, 2003, 06:27 am

Japan is not purely buddhist, it is a blend of it indigenous shinto beliefs and buddhism, as well as traditional japanese values. The only country you can point at to highlight a buddhist society is Tibet, and that has now been changed by the Chinese.

How do you mean pacifist warrior, GWB? Are you talking about the Shaolin or similar monastaries? They came about originally when an Indian monk came to China and found that the monks did so little exercise that they were dangerously frail. So he taught them fighting exercises, because he was from the indian warrior caste.

The correlation between pacifism and fighting is that you can only be truely pacifist if you can be truelly destructive, yet still choose none violence.

G. Adams · Oct 3, 2003, 06:30 am

Quote:

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@10-02-2003 01:03 AM
Actually the USA is a lot less Christian than people think it is. Only trouble is, that it has not filtered into the places of power enough for them to stop pretending to be something that we no longer are. If that makes any sense.

Government is the system by which people do not kill each other, if you 'expend' government people start to kill each other and are therefore 'expended' just as surely as the government. But luckily, government is immortal as long as more than one person exists. The only way to 'expend' government is to kill everyone on the planet, that is why I say it makes no sense...

I've read figures in the Guardian saying how more Americans believe in the Devil than they do in the theory of evolution. Kinda scary to have such idiots running the world.

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 01:33 am

You don't live here. The shit that goes on is amazing. 1 in 6 children are born into indiginent homes, while over 100 billion will be spent on killing. Amazing.

castille · Oct 16, 2003, 09:16 am

Section 8, according to Buddhism, you must respect and accept the beliefs of others, and not attempt to enforce your beliefs onto them.

So since you want to be a Buddhist, you're not supposed to criticise capitalism, you are supposed to accept it, and do your part to alleviate suffering.

G. Adams · Oct 16, 2003, 11:09 am

But by getting rid of capitalism and replacing it with communism, he would be alleviating suffering.

And while buddhism respects the 'beliefs' of others, as in their spirituality, it doesn't argue that you should sit by and watch people starve just because you respect the beliefs of capitalists. You should argue with the capitalism for compassion in what they do, effectively converting them to socialism/communism, if you were succesful in making them compassionate that is. Which is exactley what Sec8 has been trying to do, persuade people on this board, and outside I assume, to socialism/communism/anarchism.

xm.bretton · Oct 16, 2003, 09:41 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
I've read figures in the Guardian saying how more Americans believe in the Devil than they do in the theory of evolution. Kinda scary to have such idiots running the world.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>I dont believe in evolution; are you saying I'm an idiot?

RebelWithanAK · Oct 17, 2003, 12:32 am

*holds his tongue*

G. Adams · Oct 17, 2003, 09:46 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (xm.bretton,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
I've read figures in the Guardian saying how more Americans believe in the Devil than they do in the theory of evolution. Kinda scary to have such idiots running the world.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>I dont believe in evolution; are you saying I'm an idiot?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I knew that comment would bite me on the ass as soon as I posted. Time to backtrack... My comment was not regarding individuals, I didn't mean to call everyone who fell into the position of believing in the devil and don't believe in evolution an idiot. Rather, that it was worrying that the majority of a society that has the most power at its behest ignores a well qualified theory yet believes that an intangible, invisible and very likely none existant being, actually exists and is corrupting the world to this day. THAT, is what I find idiotic and terrifying.

xm.bretton · Oct 17, 2003, 04:22 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
I knew that comment would bite me on the ass as soon as I posted. Time to backtrack... My comment was not regarding individuals, I didn't mean to call everyone who fell into the position of believing in the devil and don't believe in evolution an idiot. Rather, that it was worrying that the majority of a society that has the most power at its behest ignores a well qualified theory yet believes that an intangible, invisible and very likely none existant being, actually exists and is corrupting the world to this day. THAT, is what I find idiotic and terrifying.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>well put, haha.

I can say I dont believe in evolution... but this is not a blind decision for any religious reasons. I have done my research and came to my conclusion.

evolution is still a theory... and the existence of god (or the devil) is still held as theory. I chose which seemed more logical to me.

Oct 1, 2003, 04:37 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	I thought of myself as Buddhist for a few years, and meditated and kept to the ethics (except the not drinking part). Then I realised that I wanted a revolution. Which isn't exactley none-violent. I guess I'll get back to it when I'm older and more apathetic and cynical. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 2, 2003, 01:03 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Actually the USA is a lot less Christian than people think it is. Only trouble is, that it has not filtered into the places of power enough for them to stop pretending to be something that we no longer are. If that makes any sense. Government is the system by which people do not kill each other, if you 'expend' government people start to kill each other and are therefore 'expended' just as surely as the government. But luckily, government is immortal as long as more than one person exists. The only way to 'expend' government is to kill everyone on the planet, that is why I say it makes no sense... Logical Fallicies Link

Oct 3, 2003, 06:27 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Japan is not purely buddhist, it is a blend of it indigenous shinto beliefs and buddhism, as well as traditional japanese values. The only country you can point at to highlight a buddhist society is Tibet, and that has now been changed by the Chinese. How do you mean pacifist warrior, GWB? Are you talking about the Shaolin or similar monastaries? They came about originally when an Indian monk came to China and found that the monks did so little exercise that they were dangerously frail. So he taught them fighting exercises, because he was from the indian warrior caste. The correlation between pacifism and fighting is that you can only be truely pacifist if you can be truelly destructive, yet still choose none violence. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 16, 2003, 09:16 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Section 8, according to Buddhism, you must respect and accept the beliefs of others, and not attempt to enforce your beliefs onto them. So since you want to be a Buddhist, you're not supposed to criticise capitalism, you are supposed to accept it, and do your part to alleviate suffering. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 16, 2003, 11:09 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	But by getting rid of capitalism and replacing it with communism, he would be alleviating suffering. And while buddhism respects the 'beliefs' of others, as in their spirituality, it doesn't argue that you should sit by and watch people starve just because you respect the beliefs of capitalists. You should argue with the capitalism for compassion in what they do, effectively converting them to socialism/communism, if you were succesful in making them compassionate that is. Which is exactley what Sec8 has been trying to do, persuade people on this board, and outside I assume, to socialism/communism/anarchism. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Sep 28, 2003, 12:47 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	While browsing the web for some information on Buddhism I came across a very interesting website. After reading it I realised that Buddhism may be on to something. It made alot of sense, especially the fact that it was not based on dogmatic beliefs, and no fanaticism, which is commonplace in the major religions. Without further ado I present you the website. http://www.fundamentalbuddhism.com/buddhism.htm Hope you enjoy it! Have Fun Shalom

Sep 29, 2003, 10:18 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Earth To Mary Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for the site. I've found myself closer to Buddhism than any other religion.

Oct 1, 2003, 10:13 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	I do like Buddism. I do find it odd that most buddist societies have poor human rights records. Even Japan, which is very advanced economically has a terrible justice system where 99% of those accused are found guilty and where the death penelty is rigorously enforced.

Oct 1, 2003, 10:16 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	It has always resembled a pacifist warrior code to me, an interesting contradiction.

Oct 2, 2003, 12:34 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Has it ever occured to you that maybe all the followers of Buddhism are effecting the legal system. Just because they follow a religion, doesn't mean that the religion is the governing body of society. For Example the US has killed around 6000 civilians in the war in Iraq, and that doesn't adhere to Christian principles. People aren't expendably, government is Shalom

Oct 2, 2003, 12:42 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Who are you talking to? If it is me, I am not Christian. BTW: I am trying to figure out what you mean by "expendably", I would normally assume you meant expendable, but that makes no sense in that concept, an abstract concept cannot be expended since it has no life.

Oct 2, 2003, 12:48 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	GWB, when I said Christian, I meant that the US is predominantely Christian. And yes I did mean expendable (its late) and I dont see why it doesn't make sense. It means that people are a higher priority than government. People aren't expendable, government is Shalom

Oct 2, 2003, 11:03 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	GWB, I think we should stop arguing about the expendable thing, because it ads useless shit to a normally very good discussion. The US is predominantly Christian and Catholic.

Oct 9, 2003, 01:33 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	You don't live here. The shit that goes on is amazing. 1 in 6 children are born into indiginent homes, while over 100 billion will be spent on killing. Amazing.

Oct 16, 2003, 09:41 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) I've read figures in the Guardian saying how more Americans believe in the Devil than they do in the theory of evolution. Kinda scary to have such idiots running the world.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>I dont believe in evolution; are you saying I'm an idiot? xm.bretton xhalation.com

Oct 17, 2003, 12:32 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	holds his tongue . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 17, 2003, 09:46 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (xm.bretton,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) I've read figures in the Guardian saying how more Americans believe in the Devil than they do in the theory of evolution. Kinda scary to have such idiots running the world.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>I dont believe in evolution; are you saying I'm an idiot?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I knew that comment would bite me on the ass as soon as I posted. Time to backtrack... My comment was not regarding individuals, I didn't mean to call everyone who fell into the position of believing in the devil and don't believe in evolution an idiot. Rather, that it was worrying that the majority of a society that has the most power at its behest ignores a well qualified theory yet believes that an intangible, invisible and very likely none existant being, actually exists and is corrupting the world to this day. THAT, is what I find idiotic and terrifying. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 17, 2003, 04:22 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) I knew that comment would bite me on the ass as soon as I posted. Time to backtrack... My comment was not regarding individuals, I didn't mean to call everyone who fell into the position of believing in the devil and don't believe in evolution an idiot. Rather, that it was worrying that the majority of a society that has the most power at its behest ignores a well qualified theory yet believes that an intangible, invisible and very likely none existant being, actually exists and is corrupting the world to this day. THAT, is what I find idiotic and terrifying.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>well put, haha. I can say I dont believe in evolution... but this is not a blind decision for any religious reasons. I have done my research and came to my conclusion. evolution is still a theory... and the existence of god (or the devil) is still held as theory. I chose which seemed more logical to me. xm.bretton xhalation.com