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Samildanach · Jun 7, 2006, 05:08 am

Yes but no life is based on those isotopes as far as I am aware.

phoenix_fire · Jun 7, 2006, 05:20 am

So what? Saying that the subatomic structure of carbon indicates something evil is about as far fetched as saying that the world should have ended yesterday. Most organic molecules also have hydrogen. Does the fact that hydrogen has 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron indicate the verity of monotheism? The Trinity perhaps? Is anyone seriously going to make that argument? As both a Christian and a chemistry student, I find the carbon argument extraneous at best.

Samildanach · Jun 7, 2006, 06:06 am

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Saying that the subatomic structure of carbon indicates something evil is about as far fetched as saying that the world should have ended yesterday

Its about as far fetched as anything else in the bible including the notion of God.

phoenix_fire · Jun 7, 2006, 06:08 am

That's vague, trite and frankly unfair.

ItsDarts · Jun 7, 2006, 06:26 am

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So what? Saying that the subatomic structure of carbon indicates something evil is about as far fetched as saying that the world should have ended yesterday. Most organic molecules also have hydrogen. Does the fact that hydrogen has 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron indicate the verity of monotheism? The Trinity perhaps? Is anyone seriously going to make that argument? As both a Christian and a chemistry student, I find the carbon argument extraneous at best.

Saying burning bushes that talk, don't consume the bush and can write 10 commandments on stone tablets is more rational than 666 and carbon? Bhahahahaha

Funny how theists will believe what they want to believe, but are so willing to dismiss other things that are far more rational. I'm not saying that 666 and carbon have anything to do with evil, but it is ironic. :-)

phoenix_fire · Jun 7, 2006, 07:08 am

:rolleyes: Not really. Just because you find all of the above equally incredible does not mean that they are in fact equal. Just because I believe something does not mean I should believe everything. You were, it seems, simply taking the opportunity for a cheap shot. Do try to be fair in the future.

Samildanach · Jun 7, 2006, 07:16 am

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That's vague, trite and frankly unfair

I dont really see the difference to be honest. One unlikely concept is just as equal as another unlikely concept on the scale of likelihood.

phoenix_fire · Jun 7, 2006, 07:24 am

I addressed that earlier, but I will address it again.

Example:

I would say that it is pretty highly unlikely that the guy I like will ever reciprocate the feelings I have for him. I would also say that it is unlikely that I will win the lottery. I would say, too, that it is pretty unlikely that I will sprout wings and fly south for the winter. All three of these things are unlikely concepts, but their likelihood is expressed as:

A>B>>C

Therefore, all unlikely things are not equal.

ItsDarts · Jun 7, 2006, 07:36 am

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:rolleyes: Not really. Just because you find all of the above equally incredible does not mean that they are in fact equal. Just because I believe something does not mean I should believe everything. You were, it seems, simply taking the opportunity for a cheap shot. Do try to be fair in the future.

No cheap shot at all, and my apologies if you took it that way. So you do believe that a bush can burn without consumption and it can write in rock?

Rive · Jun 7, 2006, 07:44 am

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I did break the big spoon at work today. It seems like that was pretty unlikely. And I work at Starbucks #6666. Coincidence? I dunno ....

The "big spoon?"

scary...

phoenix_fire · Jun 7, 2006, 08:15 am

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No cheap shot at all, and my apologies if you took it that way. So you do believe that a bush can burn without consumption and it can write in rock?

I think my signature would be somewhat different if I didn't.

Samildanach · Jun 7, 2006, 08:56 am

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I would say that it is pretty highly unlikely that the guy I like will ever reciprocate the feelings I have for him. I would also say that it is unlikely that I will win the lottery. I would say, too, that it is pretty unlikely that I will sprout wings and fly south for the winter. All three of these things are unlikely concepts, but their likelihood is expressed as:

A>B>>C

Sure agreed, but I can generalise probability based on experience that..c is least likely to happen, b is second least likely and a is the most probable in the above example.

Likewise I can say that the concept of God when compared with 666 carbon being evil have about equal likellihood.

Samildanach · Jun 7, 2006, 08:57 am

That is to say both are remote probabilities....so remote as to be not even worth considering....but yet here we are.

BWRoberts221 · Jun 7, 2006, 01:11 pm

Real life is so boring. Once again, another oportunity to be afraid has come and gone and .... nothing happened. I'm starting to think <gasp> that maybe the world isn't coming to an end afterall. My God, it can't be! Surely all these natural disasters, unique to our segment of time, meant something. The Tsunami must have been caused by the anger of God ... right? The floods in New Orleans, punishment for the heathens with their devil-music and voodoo. It couldn't be as simple as a hurricane creating too much water pressure and overflowing structures unable to withstand it. No ... it had to be an Act of God. All the conflict in the Middle East must be a "sign" that God's wrath is about to destroy us all. Not that some people disagree over their religious beliefs and want to kill each other for it. It's only recently that people have started fighting over religion, so it MUST be a sign. But ... I'm starting to have doubts. What if the world isn't about to end? We've been waiting patiently for angels to rip open the sky and play their trumpets for us, heralding the end of days. You would think a date as convenient as 6/6/6 would be the spark they've been waiting for. Really, it would be nice if they did something to break the monotony of reality. At least send us one locust with fangs or a rain-drop made of fire. Please! The last thing we want is for all them preachers to be wrong ... again.

Zhavric · Jun 7, 2006, 01:50 pm

Christians doing something silly?

Rive · Jun 7, 2006, 01:57 pm

XD that picture is classic

Saint Vern · Jun 7, 2006, 05:10 pm

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hey i'm celebrating today

i'm listening to nothing but satanic metal all day. Everything from Mercyful Fate, Iron Maiden's "number of the beast"

"Two minutes to midnight" and "the trooper" are my favorite Maiden tunes. Rock on, dude!

Jesus loves you all.

:-)

Saint Vern · Jun 7, 2006, 05:23 pm

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The floods in New Orleans, punishment for the heathens with their devil-music and voodoo.

In reality Katrina developed, strengthened, and then devastated the coast in response to, and simultaneous to, Israel being forced to leave its land under pressure from DC. This has been going on for years, and efforts to screw Israel inevitably result in destruction here.

JERUSALEM While most religious authorities seem to agree one cannot discern the intentions of God, there has been talk in some circles here and on the Internet that the storm that turned parts of the Gulf Coast into a disaster zone, prompting hundreds of thousands to evacuate their homes and possibly causing upwards of 10,000 deaths, was thrust upon the U.S. for its support of the Gaza evacuation.

"Katrina is a consequence of the destruction of [Gaza's] Gush Katif [slate of Jewish communities] with America's urging and encouragement," Rabbi Avraham Shmuel Lewin, executive director of the Rabbinic Congress for Peace, told WND. "The U.S. should have discouraged Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from implementing the Gaza evacuation rather than pushing for it and pressuring Israel into concessions."

Billye Brim, a Christian prayer leader and founder of Billye Brim Ministries who had visited Gush Katif weeks before its evacuation, noted on her website: "Is there a connection between [Katrina and Gush Katif]? I believe so. Is this judgment? I believe so. And I must say it. Outright! Many won't like to hear it. Many won't agree. But I believe America is in danger and something has to be done. America needs to repent. From Bush, Rice and the State Department on down. America must repent for actively opposing God's plan for Israel as revealed in His Word."

Saint Vern · Jun 7, 2006, 05:32 pm

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Its about as far fetched as anything else in the bible including the notion of God.

Not the existence of life in mere chemicals...which proves God's existence and His goodness.

:-)

rez · Jun 7, 2006, 05:55 pm

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Not the existence of life in mere chemicals...which proves God's existence and His goodness.

:-)

how ignorant and foolish to prove an all powerful god's existence in one sentence without any tests or evidence to back up your assertion. Is this how you treat all academic subjects?

Jun 7, 2006, 05:08 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Yes but no life is based on those isotopes as far as I am aware. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jun 7, 2006, 05:20 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	So what? Saying that the subatomic structure of carbon indicates something evil is about as far fetched as saying that the world should have ended yesterday. Most organic molecules also have hydrogen. Does the fact that hydrogen has 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron indicate the verity of monotheism? The Trinity perhaps? Is anyone seriously going to make that argument? As both a Christian and a chemistry student, I find the carbon argument extraneous at best. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Jun 7, 2006, 06:08 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	That's vague, trite and frankly unfair. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Jun 7, 2006, 07:08 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	:rolleyes: Not really. Just because you find all of the above equally incredible does not mean that they are in fact equal. Just because I believe something does not mean I should believe everything. You were, it seems, simply taking the opportunity for a cheap shot. Do try to be fair in the future. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Jun 7, 2006, 07:24 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	I addressed that earlier, but I will address it again. Example: I would say that it is pretty highly unlikely that the guy I like will ever reciprocate the feelings I have for him. I would also say that it is unlikely that I will win the lottery. I would say, too, that it is pretty unlikely that I will sprout wings and fly south for the winter. All three of these things are unlikely concepts, but their likelihood is expressed as: A>B>>C Therefore, all unlikely things are not equal. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Jun 7, 2006, 08:57 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	That is to say both are remote probabilities....so remote as to be not even worth considering....but yet here we are. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jun 7, 2006, 01:11 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
BWRoberts221 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 23	Real life is so boring. Once again, another oportunity to be afraid has come and gone and .... nothing happened. I'm starting to think <gasp> that maybe the world isn't coming to an end afterall. My God, it can't be! Surely all these natural disasters, unique to our segment of time, meant something. The Tsunami must have been caused by the anger of God ... right? The floods in New Orleans, punishment for the heathens with their devil-music and voodoo. It couldn't be as simple as a hurricane creating too much water pressure and overflowing structures unable to withstand it. No ... it had to be an Act of God. All the conflict in the Middle East must be a "sign" that God's wrath is about to destroy us all. Not that some people disagree over their religious beliefs and want to kill each other for it. It's only recently that people have started fighting over religion, so it MUST be a sign. But ... I'm starting to have doubts. What if the world isn't about to end? We've been waiting patiently for angels to rip open the sky and play their trumpets for us, heralding the end of days. You would think a date as convenient as 6/6/6 would be the spark they've been waiting for. Really, it would be nice if they did something to break the monotony of reality. At least send us one locust with fangs or a rain-drop made of fire. Please! The last thing we want is for all them preachers to be wrong ... again. Last edited by BWRoberts221; Jun 7, 2006 at 01:16 pm.

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Zhavric Made of pure win. Posts: 3,704	Christians doing something silly? Theists: supplying volconvo with lose since 2004.

Jun 7, 2006, 01:57 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Rive little light of mine Location: In the shadows Posts: 127	XD that picture is classic what are they gonna do when the lights go down? Without you to guide them all to Zion? What are they gonna do when the rivers overrun? Other than tremble incessantly