End of Time - Dec. 2012 - what is that all about?

[Technosoul]

A super intellient race of people lived on earth once - a long long time ago. The crystal skull post (elsewhere in this forum) and the Pyramid post (elsewhere posted in this forum) is just some of the evidence to support that fact. The Myan calendar is another example that demonstrates their vast knowledge of our solar system. The 2300 year calendar ends on Dec of 2012 (a few years away from today). Why did it end on that date? Here is one webpage link that offers a researched answer.

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html

The information is not an easy read so I post it for the few of you who might actually like to learn new things.

The webpage raises its own questions for debate purposes.

A related topic about sun spots in 2012

http://arstechnica.com/journals/scie.../2006/3/7/3086

And here is one of the more important web sites about the end date of 2012

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/McKenna/TZandL.html

Read first - make comments or give opinons. ( I am expecting zero replies after saything that - ------- what, me read?)

[Kite]

There are many theories as to when time will end, and they come from many different sources. Why would this projected 'end of time' be more credible than any other? For all we know, gamma blasters from a distant star collapsing could turn this planet into a barren wasteland 10 minutes from now. Also, what exaclty do they mean by 'end of time'? Do they mean our time on this planet, the time that our race is dominant over others, or time itself? What makes us think that we have the ability to predict when time will end when the majority of people on earth really don't KNOW what time is, other than an abstraction that we use to keep some order in our chaotic lives? Answer me THAT.

[phoenix_fire]

And according to Bang theories, time won't end: it'll just keep resetting itself in a cyclical pattern. If one wants to take this idea to its extremes, one could assume that each time the universe resets, should it progress once again in precisely the same way, we could be living our lives over and over again in an endless loop.

[rcne]

The Mayan and Aztec long count calls for the end of an age in 2012. They called it the end of times, though its actually the end of one age and the beginning of another.

Then there is the Eastern philosophy which also has its transition from one time of man to the next occurs around this time also.

But my bet is on the return of Nibiru. Look to Jupiter for the approach of planet of crossing.

Brought to you by your local ANUist..

[Autolykos]

My personal interpretation, which has relatively little to do with the Mayan calendar and cosmology, is that, on or near December 2012, the initial breakthrough in manufacturing nanotechnology will occur. This development will ultimately transform human civilization beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

- Rob

[Zhavric]

Quote by: phoenix_fire And according to Bang theories,

You leave World Leader Pretend out of this.

Technosoul...

A super intellient race of people lived on earth once - a long long time ago. The crystal skull post (elsewhere in this forum) and the Pyramid post (elsewhere posted in this forum) is just some of the evidence to support that fact.

This is what I call the "stolen evidence" fallacy. You've taken evidence of SOMETHING and declared it to be evidence of your claim which does not directly relate to the evidence you're touting.

It's the logical equivalent of stating:

There is a cake on the table. Therefor, a cake was baked in the kitchen.

This is fallacious logic because there are other plausible explanations for the origin of the cake which have not been eliminated.

You must establish a causal link. That's CAUSE-al, not "casual". Without causal links the following "evidence" becomes valid: Global warming is caused by the reduction of pirates in the world as "evidneced" by this chart:

[Kite]

Very well put zhavric. Also, I don't understand what a super intellegent race of people has to do with the mayans allegedly predicting the end of time. What exactly is the connection?

[Zhavric]

The connection is that it sounds cool. Most fiction sounds cool.

As an aside, what is your avatar from?

[phoenix_fire]

Dude. It's totally Evangelion. Props. Great taste. Was your old one Jin?

[Matt W]

This isn't a chat room....stay on-topic. You want to talk avatars, there's a thread in General.

Do not respond to me within this thread. PM myself or Sean with any questions.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: rcne The Mayan and Aztec long count calls for the end of an age in 2012. They called it the end of times, though its actually the end of one age and the beginning of another. Then there is the Eastern philosophy which also has its transition from one time of man to the next occurs around this time also. But my bet is on the return of Nibiru. Look to Jupiter for the approach of planet of crossing. Brought to you by your local ANUist..

I think you have the correct interpretation - it could the the 12 planet event - but also could be some other unexpected happening such as noted in the post about some sort of new technology being invented or put into use - basically causing the "end of a historical period" rather then the end of time (as it would be debatable if time can end at all - being that it is mainly a concept that we use mainly here on earth to measure stuff - however without any calendars - watches - or sundials - that concept could vanish from useage). That would mean that for some reason we would no longer need to keep track of time - as we now do for a number of purposes.

McKenna pointed out that he does not think it is a "doomsday" prediction. But a time of transformation to another "period or era".

Then again - we got pre-history (before the written word documented happenings) and then history and so we could have a post-history (when words become obsolete for documenting events) - as we would use images instead of words - films and so forth. One idea of many.

Films and voice books - and the like - as our mode of communication.

The mind was designed for images not words - we dream in images - and the old pyramids used images instead of written texts. That might be the wave of the future "times". The return of the "image" and the re-appearence of "visions" - which visionary ablities would allow us to even communicate with animals and plants. The omega of the "Word".

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Zhavric Quote by: phoenix_fire And according to Bang theories, You leave World Leader Pretend out of this. Technosoul... A super intellient race of people lived on earth once - a long long time ago. The crystal skull post (elsewhere in this forum) and the Pyramid post (elsewhere posted in this forum) is just some of the evidence to support that fact. This is what I call the "stolen evidence" fallacy. You've taken evidence of SOMETHING and declared it to be evidence of your claim which does not directly relate to the evidence you're touting. It's the logical equivalent of stating: There is a cake on the table. Therefor, a cake was baked in the kitchen. This is fallacious logic because there are other plausible explanations for the origin of the cake which have not been eliminated. You must establish a causal link. That's CAUSE-al, not "casual". Without causal links the following "evidence" becomes valid: Global warming is caused by the reduction of pirates in the world as "evidneced" by this chart:

Your logic is correct about the cake anology - and hey! You found the pirate chart. But was I really tying to demosrate a cause and effect theory? I stated that there were some super intelligent people on earth - I did not make any claim about how they got to be so smart. The evidence would likewise suggest that is correct.

If you do not think they were super intelligent then go build me a pyramid like they did, or create a crystal skull just like the ones found and researched. Or at least build me a UFO that works.

But I also agree with the cake and pirate anology - I could take a Q and Q poll of everyone who has cancer and find out they all watch at least three hours of TV everyday and then state that watching TV causes cancer (just like they did for cigarettes). But that is not "real science" - as you already know.

Also - I submit (just to be nice) that I was not making absolute factual claims but was projecting a reasonable claim as being a "educated guess". For all I know the pyramids could have been built by prehistoric monkeys who used dinosaurs to move the rocks - and then the monkeys devolved or vanished.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kite Very well put zhavric. Also, I don't understand what a super intellegent race of people has to do with the mayans allegedly predicting the end of time. What exactly is the connection?

It was named the Myan Calendar - but as the artical in the link posted relates - another unknown culture or race might have made it. There is not a lot of evidence that the current population of Myan indians are really related to the people of that older culture - just because they inhabited that location when Spain came over here.

When the Spanish arrived the local indians did not know how the monuments were made or who made them - which I recall was documented by early Spanish pioneers (military personel).

[Technosoul]

Now the biggest debate is about the fact that the calendar in question is based on a 10 month year instead of the ones we use which have 12 months per year. So skeptics claim that if we used the 10 month calendar then the year 2012 has already been here and gone bye bye.

Gee - I thought one of you all would have brought that up by now.

There is a counter-debate for that also (but I forgot what is was).

[Matt W]

Gee - I thought one of you all would have brought that up by now.

Perhaps it shows just how many people actually pay attention to doomsayers of a long-dead race. It's just yet another prophecy, to be ranked with the Moonies, Genesis, Nostradamus et al as speculations of some truly bizarre imaginations....

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Matt W Gee - I thought one of you all would have brought that up by now. Perhaps it shows just how many people actually pay attention to doomsayers of a long-dead race. It's just yet another prophecy, to be ranked with the Moonies, Genesis, Nostradamus et al as speculations of some truly bizarre imaginations....

The calendar was not really a prophecy made long ago, the calendar was made about 2300 years ago and the last day on that calendar was Dec of 2012. No one honestly knows why it was made so that it goes so far into the (their) future. But the calendar makers did not make a prediction that something would happen in 2012. The ideas that the calendar might indicate a doomsday prophecy was a concept that modern people "thought up" after the dates on the calendar were interpreted. Perhaps post 1950s.

Most of the "end-times" ideas about the calendar started to surface during the 1970s and used to support the new ager ideas about a global transformation.

Another modern folks have linked the circular calendar with crop circles and then came up with the idea that someone like Jesus would arrive in a gaint UFO mothership - to bring peace, knowledge, and so forth to the "earthlings".

And yet, we have this object from the past - a map of atrogolical events - created by skywatchers long long ago. And so one can wish to know - who were these intelligent people - not just cavemen walking around with clubs - but a very "advanced culture" even by todays terms.

[dreamer]

2012 the year of the new age.The year stars line up, the earth stops its wobble and earth lines back up with the stars.
Read that this lining up of the stars happens every 25,000 years as anybody else herd of this happening.
This could be why where having such bad weather.?

[Technosoul]

[quote=dreamer] 2012 the year of the new age.The year stars line up, the earth stops its wobble and earth lines back up with the stars.
Read that this lining up of the stars happens every 25,000 years as anybody else herd of this happening.
This could be why where having such bad weather.?
[/QUOTE}

Here are some web sites devoted to some the what you are asking about - first I will post this one as it links in with the topic at hand -

http://www.indigosun.com/april98/harmony.htm

But one of the best web sites is this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Convergence

It talks about a event that took place based on the Calendar and on alinments of the planets in our solar system - and how the event resulted in the reformation of Russia and the removal of the Berlin Wall.

(historical facts not often aired over the media in America).

Another interesting one - starting off with "Menes"

http://www.tortuga.com/archives/harmonic.html

And here is one more devoted to the planets that were said to line up - remember Jose used the 10 month calendar for his harmonic "spiritual" event back in 1987.

[Technosoul]

Errored and hit "post reply" before posting last web site

http://home.att.net/~ag2kh/HarmConv.htm

See above posting for more webpages - and see your internet for many more sites with related information. hope that helps.

[Technosoul]

As a side note I personally took part in the first harmonic convergence day - one radio station here in the USA covered the day-long event "live" and people from all over the globe called in to report what was happening in their countries. The idea was to "pray, meditate, or think about - world peace and oneness with nature". The whole thing was done as a grass roots movement using the internet to coordinate activites. John Denver and others went to Moscow of the then USSR and got permission to hold a event there, to our surprise Gorbie was very interested and they aired the event all day long over the government run TV stations there. (as it turns out Gorbies wife was a big "environmentalist" and "birdwatcher"). Later when Gorbie came to Ameirca after the USSR became "democratic" .... (sort of) he asked to see Yoko Ono and thanked her for the Beatles song "give peace a chance" which he said was a "turning point" in his way of thinking.

Millions of people took part and the idea was that if enough people concentrated all at the same time about peace and so forth that this would "put it into what is called the collective consciousness" and then that would seed events later on that would help to bring about peace and harmony with nature.

There was some debate if the planets really lined up in a perfect row or not.

For a while peace was happening everyplace but then Bush Sr. bombed Panama for his war on drugs and so we got pushed back a notch or so because people started thinking about wars again.

And of course the Iran Contra mess - a Reagan Bush fowl-up.