End of Time - Dec. 2012 - what is that all about?

[youbetyourwrasse]

'When the Moon
Is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter
Aligns with Mars
Then Peace
Will Guide the Planets
And Love will Rule [the Dawn??] This is the Dawning of the
Age of Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius. Aquarius? Aquarius!'

The Ones are coming. Get ready. Move to cave and have plenty of what you'll need. Is there a reason for this topic?

YBYW

[dreamer]

science 2012 point of view http://2012.antville.org/topics/Earth/ just adding somthing to the table.

dreamer

[Technosoul]

I am not sure what causes alterations in the magnetic fields - or if they conducted other research to confirm that a rise in the magentic readings occured before more then just one earthquake.

The Aquarius book - based loosely on astrogy and science - was one of first theorys that attempted to give reasons for the quickening that was taking place - in mass - within the collective consciousness of humanity, with the hippy happenings and at a time when bookstores were flooded with translations of ancient books and infromation about other religions - and the microchip technology started to happen. The massive surge in new technologies and the awakening of our minds from the stuper of the '40s and '50s.

Not sure why you would move to a cave to hide from the "ones" (whatever that is????) or why you must prepare with food stocks to survive an era of "peace and love" that the theory of Aquarius was indicating. Not sure if putting an "s" on the word "one" makes sense - why not use the word "They"? But perhaps with ones like the poster Wrasse arriving here - we might have proof of such "warnings" (which were biblical and which has nothing at all to do with that Calendar in Mexico. As far as I can tell - but on the other hand lots of people are in fact coming here from Mexico and points south of the boarder - but the only one who moved to a cave was Bin Laden - while other bible buffs perfer to stick it out in their comfortable apartments and homes - apparently).

Now if you are into Peter Rabbit then you would run into a hole to hide - while flashing your wras-asses ( bunny tails) as a warning sign. hop hop hop hip hop - boom box boogie on down - but that takes us off topic - as anyone can tell. But at least I attempted a reply - and it is a safe bet that I would do so - 'cause that is what I do here.

[dreamer]

What does Aquarius actually mean ? anybody

[Technosoul]

"as above - so below" - on earth as in the heavens.

A connection between an oderly universe and then the application of that order here on earth - relative to human activity. The "fixed stars" - and the wanderers (planets and moons). And via skywatching the development of a science about certain groupings that occur duing those orbiting cycles. And then what that would mean when translated to the "collective personality" wave of humanity - mentally. Which takes a lot of complex "note taking" in order to come with a useable theory that might (but seldom is) of any pratical usage. As I recall the "groupings" are called "houses".

Aguarius is also related to the oceans or sea life. AKA - fish tank.

http://www.adishakti.org/age_of_aquarius.htm

http://www.arberton.com/

http://www.greatdreams.com/aquarius.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/p-art...f-aquarius.php

What Carl Jung wrote - http://astrology.about.com/od/predic...aquarius_2.htm

I Ching discussion about topic (and 2012) - http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Chi...tml?1133394033

Also you can find information in Christian book stores about the dark side of astrology and how that is demonic. As well - you can read the book of revelations where the "seals are opened and "ages" are poured out upon mankind - which John based on those astrology theories (pehaps? or debatable?).

Something is happening!

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Technosoul Your logic is correct about the cake anology - and hey! You found the pirate chart. But was I really tying to demosrate a cause and effect theory? I stated that there were some super intelligent people on earth - I did not make any claim about how they got to be so smart. The evidence would likewise suggest that is correct. If you do not think they were super intelligent then go build me a pyramid like they did, or create a crystal skull just like the ones found and researched. Or at least build me a UFO that works. But I also agree with the cake and pirate anology - I could take a Q and Q poll of everyone who has cancer and find out they all watch at least three hours of TV everyday and then state that watching TV causes cancer (just like they did for cigarettes). But that is not "real science" - as you already know. Also - I submit (just to be nice) that I was not making absolute factual claims but was projecting a reasonable claim as being a "educated guess". For all I know the pyramids could have been built by prehistoric monkeys who used dinosaurs to move the rocks - and then the monkeys devolved or vanished.

Ah, I get it. You really didn't want to debate. You just wanted to post some whacky what-ifs.

That's cool.

For the record, building massive stone things really isn't all that tough. Just ask Ed.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Zhavric Quote by: Technosoul Your logic is correct about the cake anology - and hey! You found the pirate chart. But was I really tying to demosrate a cause and effect theory? I stated that there were some super intelligent people on earth - I did not make any claim about how they got to be so smart. The evidence would likewise suggest that is correct. If you do not think they were super intelligent then go build me a pyramid like they did, or create a crystal skull just like the ones found and researched. Or at least build me a UFO that works. But I also agree with the cake and pirate anology - I could take a Q and Q poll of everyone who has cancer and find out they all watch at least three hours of TV everyday and then state that watching TV causes cancer (just like they did for cigarettes). But that is not "real science" - as you already know. Also - I submit (just to be nice) that I was not making absolute factual claims but was projecting a reasonable claim as being a "educated guess". For all I know the pyramids could have been built by prehistoric monkeys who used dinosaurs to move the rocks - and then the monkeys devolved or vanished. Ah, I get it. You really didn't want to debate. You just wanted to post some whacky what-ifs. That's cool. For the record, building massive stone things really isn't all that tough. Just ask Ed.

Well, you did not build me a pyramind but at least you posted a website about Coral Castle - another rock monument made by someone recently - yet it is a mytery how he did it, but he did it anyway. And we got a lot more "wacky what ifs" about how he built his rock castle.

One problem with those places like the pyraminds, and even stone henge, is that they rocks weigh a lot and so how did they move them from one place to another. What if they had already had sail boats and so they knew about wind-power and so they created large kites to lift the stones off the ground and on real windy days the kites could lift the rocks while others held onto ropes to direct the rocks into place? Another speculation is they rolled them on logs or that they used "mind power".
Mind power seems wacky - but every now and then someone gets trapped under a heavy car and some "weak people" rush over and lift the car off the person - with a kind of "rush" that comes over them in that moment. Later on they do not know how they suddenly got the physical power to lift the car off the person and they cannot repeat the feat. What if people really did have domestic dinosaurs to help move the rocks?

However I would debate that I am not just posting "wacky" what ifs here just because they are cool.
I post them for another reason all together. To encourage alternative thinking.

Nearly all the posts here are about Christian beliefs (which I guess are not wacky?) and the physolophy of science. My main interest is about what I call "concept construction" - how and where concepts came from - one way to do that is to research some of the newest things such as found in the "new ager" movement and so forth.

But why is "wacky-ism" important? because it is the "key" to change and evolution.

Hever is a link for proof about it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_Theory

What do you think about this theory?

[Zhavric]

Where is your evidence of so-called "mind powers"? You see, in my book you're worse than a fundamentalist evangelical bush-voting "christian". They at least have some semblance of rules that guide their worldview. People who just pull stuff like "mind powers" down from the ether and want me to consider them without evidence... well, the evangelicals call the bible evidence... even though it's not at least they HAVE something to point at.

[Kite]

Zhavric:My ava is Adam from Evangelion, a series which everyone should be required to watch, in school
Phoenix:Yes the old one was jin, I took a picture of my tv screen. I liked that one.

Mind powers? I think not. On the internet, you can 'prove' just about anything you want. You can claim your 'proof' is acreddited and certified and street legal till you're blue in the face, but nowadays unless you hear it directly from the persons mouth that they endorse the information, it could be the ramblings of a 12 year old or the ideas of a crazed cult of 30 year olds that live in basements. You just cant be sure, however I'm pretty sure 'Mind-powers' is out of contention for the title of feasible.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Zhavric Where is your evidence of so-called "mind powers"? You see, in my book you're worse than a fundamentalist evangelical bush-voting "christian". They at least have some semblance of rules that guide their worldview. People who just pull stuff like "mind powers" down from the ether and want me to consider them without evidence... well, the evangelicals call the bible evidence... even though it's not at least they HAVE something to point at.

Well the mind is what we normally believe is in control of the body - although there is a circular network of commuication happening between the brain and the cells in the body parts.

So you never did hear any news stories about someone who lifted a heavy car off of someone trapped under it? In the case I pointed out the person was not controlling his lifting powers by using his brian to "think those powers into action". And so I cannot suggest that in the newspaper account of that paranormal incident a person can use "mind powers" to lift heavy rocks. But the news story would suggest that "somehow" the brain can generate the chemicals or whatever is needed "in an emergency" to lift cars off of trapped people - on very rare occations. Come on now - you must have heard at least one of those news stories at some point in your life? I am not sure what key words to use to locate such a news story via google or other search engines - in order to provide the "evidence" for my speculative opinions. But if such lifting abilites are possible for unknown reasons then if someone discovered the reason he might be able to do it via knowing why it happens - and he might use that knowledge to build a rock castle. He did build it, it did not just fall into place from "out of the blue" - now did it? None the less some inventive ideas might come to a persons mind from out of the blue if they devote time for meditative searches and seeking. The guy that came up with the "theory of relativity" said that is how he got his ideas - from the "Other-ness". But he was a bit of a wacko - as we Henry Ford in his day and age.

Now I put up links to people like Carl Jung and other "great thinkers" and you tell me they are just wacky people of "what if-isms". Indeed, phychology, philosophy, science theory, and even religion is all about the human trend to ask the "what if" questions that make us of a different intellect then other primates and animals. The basic result of having "free time" on our hands. The dismise of "occupied time" and the dawning of "free time" theory. Ever hear about that one before?

Also - this is fun stuff - not stuff we gotta get all bogged down with and entangled in like as if it were some spiders web matrix of entrapment. Cool eh? Being cool and hep - and getting away with it in a world that demands serious conformity - now that should be worth "something" for our poor brains.

Free you mind and your ass will follow - motto.

Jesus remarked about those of little faith and said that by faith we could move a mountian - so if faith is mind power then we should be able to use it to move a few rocks to build a pyramid. If we really had the faith we claim to be able to obtain. Why would he say such a thing? Is faith a big mystery or something easy to employ?

Speaking of which I will be seldom seen here for a while as I am moving to another house, if only I had the mind powers to move all this furniture and boxes - but alas - will have to do it the hard way - as a person of humble faith. But it would be nice if I could sit back and use my finger as a remote control and just zap all this stuff onto the moving truck. I will be back when I get some more free time on my hands. Later dudes and dudecheses.

[Kite]

The 'chemicals or whatever' that people use to lift cars off of people...I believe you are reffering to what we in the biz like to call 'Adrenaline'. It is produced by a gland in your body, and in emergency situations(ie. 'Fight or flight') it enables your body to do some crazy things physically. Unless these rocks were about to fall on this guy and in his adrenaline-fuled frenzy he somehow built a castle, I think your mind powers have been debunked.

[rcne]

Baalbeck's temples were built on an ancient tell that goes back at least to the end of the third millennium B.C. Little is known about the site during this period, but there is evidence that in the course of the 1rst millennium B.C. an enclosed court was built on the ancient tell. An altar was set in the center of this court in the tradition of the biblical Semitic high places. .... The Podium is built with some of the largest stone blocks ever hewn. On the west side of the podium is the "Trilithon", a celebrated group of three enormous stones weighing about 800 tons each.

I've been to Ed's place,cutting and moving those coral blocks was impressive, but they don't compare to 800 tons and good seams.

[Technosoul]

[quote=Kite] The 'chemicals or whatever' that people use to lift cars off of people...I believe you are reffering to what we in the biz like to call 'Adrenaline'. It is produced by a gland in your body, and in emergency situations(ie. 'Fight or flight') it enables your body to do some crazy things physically. Unless these rocks were about to fall on this guy and in his adrenaline-fuled frenzy he somehow built a castle, I think your mind powers have been debunked.
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But what if someone could figure out how to make the gland produce the adrinaline by will power instead of due to fear or because we got mad or "super stemulated" in some way - but an event.

Few people in this generation know how to operate their own brains, but perhaps people long ago did. However I personally do not advocate that will power or mind power was the real reason they were able to build the pyramids or other such monuments. Not even sure if humans built them.

[another day]

Lol...oh please, the pyramids were built through sheer force, simple but elegant engineering, and SLAVE LABOR. Lots of it. Oh and time too. Lots of that. It's really nothing THAT amazing as to suggest aliens built it, knowing the position of the pharoah at the time who was basically thought to be a god.

I agree with zhav, your beliefs are all over the place...you believe in every single conspiracy in existance, or at least give overdue credit to them. It's somewhat silly.

[Technosoul]

[quote=rcne]

Baalbeck's temples were built on an ancient tell that goes back at least to the end of the third millennium B.C. Little is known about the site during this period, but there is evidence that in the course of the 1rst millennium B.C. an enclosed court was built on the ancient tell. An altar was set in the center of this court in the tradition of the biblical Semitic high places. .... The Podium is built with some of the largest stone blocks ever hewn. On the west side of the podium is the "Trilithon", a celebrated group of three enormous stones weighing about 800 tons each.

I've been to Ed's place,cutting and moving those coral blocks was impressive, but they don't compare to 800 tons and good seams.
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Now our modern constructon industry has stated they could not do it, even with all our big yellow machines, or with the knowledge we now have about leverage.

I do not think that mere people could do it without some sort of "outside" help of some kind. Keep in mind that people back then were how tall - four of five feet high. Now the Bible does speak about gaints - and through there are debates about the Hebrew meaning that became translated into English as "gaint". But we could suggest that as a possible - the employment of a race of very gigantic people - but we have no fossil evidence of such a race so that would be unexpected.
Hmm - domesticated herd of the famous Big Foot? Nay...

One logical answer would be that they had help from UFOs - spacecraft that could lift the stones by some technological power (unknown to us .. so far). Some claim that evidence is mounting to support that theory - but as of right now we do not have any really great proof for that possiblity.

Dinosaurs were big enough - but no proof that they were around at the time when the monuments were constucted. Another theory is that they could have floated the rocks if the water was high enough to boat them to the location used. But the hard part would be to dig them up from out of ground before they were transported to the location used (and they selected a point in the very center of the land).

Being that we do not know for sure we cannot likewise produce any proof to support any of the specuations that might be possible.;

If we knew for sure - then we would have no theories to debate. Everything would just be knowledge and nothing but knowledge. But such is not the case, and so if they knew - how come we do not know and what is missing today that was there yesterday to make such a feat possible?

In addition to the seemingly impossible feat of constructing the great monuments they were also monster "calendars" and so "how come". Why all the attention given to timekeeping which was really about a lot of attention given to skywatching - with great details about the sun, planets, and stars. Hmm, a lot of graveyard shifts for the science department back then.

[Kite]

Quote by: Technosoul But what if someone could figure out how to make the gland produce the adrinaline by will power instead of due to fear or because we got mad or "super stemulated" in some way - but an event.

I think that they have adrenaline shots, as in an injection, used for surguries and other things, but it would not be a good idea to be able to control your adrenaline leves at will. After an adrenaline rush most people end up being completly spent. Adrenaline is basically the bodies last ditch effort to help you survive whatever situation you are in. I am fairly certain that if you were in this state too much you could seriously damage your body tissues and organs.

Few people in this generation know how to operate their own brains, but perhaps people long ago did.

Not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that people in this generation don't think as much in general, as in we indulge too much in mindless activities such as watching TV sitcoms? Or do you mean that people in our time arent as able to tap into these 'powers' you spoke of? Please clarify this.

However I personally do not advocate that will power or mind power was the real reason they were able to build the pyramids or other such monuments. Not even sure if humans built them.

IE. Aliens built the pyramids. That is VERY doubtful as the decorations and adornments inside the pyramids match those of artifacts found outside of them from the same time period. Also, there are many theories as to the methods humans would use to build the pyramids at that stage in civilization, and most of them are quite feasible.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: another day Lol...oh please, the pyramids were built through sheer force, simple but elegant engineering, and SLAVE LABOR. Lots of it. Oh and time too. Lots of that. It's really nothing THAT amazing as to suggest aliens built it, knowing the position of the pharoah at the time who was basically thought to be a god. I agree with zhav, your beliefs are all over the place...you believe in every single conspiracy in existance, or at least give overdue credit to them. It's somewhat silly.

Yes, that is the standard or mainstream explanation for how they were constructed. And it is the "official" beleif in Egypt - only they claim they did not use slave labor but a willing work force.

Thousands of people pulling on those rocks with super strong ropes and then using logs to "roll away the stones". Perhaps adding an ox or so to help pull the rocks. Most of our history books have illustrations about that massive group effort. It is already a well established theory about how the pyramids could have been built and so I saw no need to list what is already commonly thought to be the case.

In their version of history the poor people had smaller "mounds" or they were placed in natual caves when they died, where as the rich and more important kings and queens would get the grand pyramids for their "tombstone" grave site.

As far as I know no one in our modern generations has ever hired a few thousand people to attempt to demonstrate that theory of massive manpower by pulling a giant rock - as a scientific or historical experiment for gaining proof - they just believe it on faith. I guess they think it would be a wacky idea to prove their theory.

Many of the Pharoahs were just teenagers when they died. Not yet 18 years of age. They were not a bunch of "wise old men" relative to today's standards (age wise). I think that 30 would be "old" back then and age 40 would be extremly old. And so from age 12 to age 25 would be the majority of the people. So they must have got real smart real fast like - unlike some of our modern teenagers.
With little time to organize their major projects.

The ancient cultures of Eqypt are one of the most documented cultures of the past - their teachings about math, colors, art, music, and articles of war - have been found and interpreted by the truck loads (more of less) - with scores of illustrated relics, stone carvings, and so forth. However we have yet to locate any documents about the actual building of the pyramids - "how to do it" data was not documented as were the wars and other activities of the culture (we know about). Why?

The only data recorded was that the Pharoah would seclect the site and 'walk a pace' to provide the measurments for the monument - so we can envision some 15 year old kid who was a Pharoah doing that. The measurements had to be correctly done to insure the tiny opening would be astrologically perfect so the sun would shine into it (in the future) for the "dawning" of a certain "new age". In conformity with with solar alienments of the planets. Why?

It is true that I am "all over the place" with information about some of the amazing things in history, but at least I am not all over the place repeating the same Christian ideas or the same "skeptical - where is your proof via science" counter cultualism nay-saying types of evangelism.

What is wrong with that?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kite Quote by: Technosoul But what if someone could figure out how to make the gland produce the adrinaline by will power instead of due to fear or because we got mad or "super stemulated" in some way - but an event. I think that they have adrenaline shots, as in an injection, used for surguries and other things, but it would not be a good idea to be able to control your adrenaline leves at will. After an adrenaline rush most people end up being completly spent. Adrenaline is basically the bodies last ditch effort to help you survive whatever situation you are in. I am fairly certain that if you were in this state too much you could seriously damage your body tissues and organs. Few people in this generation know how to operate their own brains, but perhaps people long ago did. Not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that people in this generation don't think as much in general, as in we indulge too much in mindless activities such as watching TV sitcoms? Or do you mean that people in our time arent as able to tap into these 'powers' you spoke of? Please clarify this. However I personally do not advocate that will power or mind power was the real reason they were able to build the pyramids or other such monuments. Not even sure if humans built them. IE. Aliens built the pyramids. That is VERY doubtful as the decorations and adornments inside the pyramids match those of artifacts found outside of them from the same time period. Also, there are many theories as to the methods humans would use to build the pyramids at that stage in civilization, and most of them are quite feasible.

Okay then lets look at those decorations - here is one that looks like a space ship - how about that?

http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html

Why would they illustrate a pyramid with images of a hellicoper, a spaceship, and and other things that appear to be of very modern vintage?

Here is a data about how the rocks were put into place on the pyramids according to the most exceptable theory that has the support of the mainstream opinion among the experts devoted to that research. It shows how ramps were used and so forth.....

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestor...ramidlifts.htm

Here are some illustrations of other interesting pictures that have to do with the pyramids and some feel can support the alien theory.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm

Researchers on new dig in Bosnia that they believe is another pyramid like those found in Eqypt and at other locations around the globe.

http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_expertsfind.html

Hmm, it is starting to look like pyramid building was like a "global outreach" program to spead some sort of "gospel" ... eh?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Technosoul Quote by: Kite Quote by: Technosoul But what if someone could figure out how to make the gland produce the adrinaline by will power instead of due to fear or because we got mad or "super stemulated" in some way - but an event. I think that they have adrenaline shots, as in an injection, used for surguries and other things, but it would not be a good idea to be able to control your adrenaline leves at will. After an adrenaline rush most people end up being completly spent. Adrenaline is basically the bodies last ditch effort to help you survive whatever situation you are in. I am fairly certain that if you were in this state too much you could seriously damage your body tissues and organs. Few people in this generation know how to operate their own brains, but perhaps people long ago did. Not exactly sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that people in this generation don't think as much in general, as in we indulge too much in mindless activities such as watching TV sitcoms? Or do you mean that people in our time arent as able to tap into these 'powers' you spoke of? Please clarify this. However I personally do not advocate that will power or mind power was the real reason they were able to build the pyramids or other such monuments. Not even sure if humans built them. IE. Aliens built the pyramids. That is VERY doubtful as the decorations and adornments inside the pyramids match those of artifacts found outside of them from the same time period. Also, there are many theories as to the methods humans would use to build the pyramids at that stage in civilization, and most of them are quite feasible. Okay then lets look at those decorations - here is one that looks like a space ship - how about that? http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html Why would they illustrate a pyramid with images of a hellicoper, a spaceship, and and other things that appear to be of very modern vintage? Here is a data about how the rocks were put into place on the pyramids according to the most exceptable theory that has the support of the mainstream opinion among the experts devoted to that research. It shows how ramps were used and so forth..... http://www.touregypt.net/featurestor...ramidlifts.htm Here are some illustrations of other interesting pictures that have to do with the pyramids and some feel can support the alien theory. http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicegypt.htm Researchers on new dig in Bosnia that they believe is another pyramid like those found in Eqypt and at other locations around the globe. http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_expertsfind.html Hmm, it is starting to look like pyramid building was like a "global outreach" program to spead some sort of "gospel" ... eh?

Oh yeah - about the "how to operate your brain" statement - here is a website with a suggestion or two on that topic - I am sure you will agree with it...

http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/47

[another day]

I'll address some of the other stuff later when I have time, but yes I do think you are far better then a christian...an overly open mind is definitly better then an overly closed mind.