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Mindonfire · Apr 25, 2006, 11:46 pm

Symbols

Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly.

Was the tower of Babel an immensely tall building which was built to stretch past the skies and into the stars. This is one of the many fables that believers have come to accept as factual truth. This fable and various others have contributed to the fairy tale mindset that is prevalent today amongst many believers. These fables have also succeeded in hindering believers from correctly identifying the end time characters, who have been present and functioning for quite some time now. With the correction of these fable believers will be able to unquestionably identify the identity of the entity that is known as Mystery Babylon. So today let us begin on a journey to uncover who this entity was and is.

Believers must first understand that the Holy Bible is a supernatural book which has three supernatural qualities. The Bible’s first quality is its ambiguity. The Holy scriptures were purposely written to be ambiguous. This means that the verses of the Bible are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses of ways. .

The second quality that the Bible possess is that it has the mystical ability to deliver to the reader the message that he or she desires to see. In other words the Bible possesses the uncanny ability to test the Spirit of the reader. So as a reader wherever your heart and spirit is in respects to reality, will determine the message that you will receive during your studies. However one must be careful, because this does not mean that the message that the individual has received is the message that the writer intended to convey. For example, if one looks hard enough one can find scripture which seems to support the doctrine which states that believers will be caught up physically in the clouds to be with Messias during the end. But if one looks through the spirit of God one will see that this is not the message that the writer intended.

The third quality which the Bible possess is a very important characteristic. The Holy Bible is symbolic in nature. It is rife with symbolism. For those who may not understand, let us define symbolism, in the hopes that we all may fully understand this symbolic nature.

Definitions Merriam Webster
1. Symbolism: (n) 1 : the art or practice of using symbols especially by investing things with a symbolic meaning or by expressing the invisible or intangible by means of visible or sensuous representations: as a : artistic imitation or invention that is a method of revealing or suggesting immaterial, ideal, or otherwise intangible truth or states b : the use of conventional or traditional signs in the representation of divine beings and spirits 2 : a system of symbols or representations

As you can see, in symbolism a material or physical object is used as a sign to represent the immaterial or spiritual universe. For example; When the Bible mentions the “beast” of the earth in the book of Revelation 13:11, it is not talking about an animal such as a lion or crocodile. The beast is symbolic. It is used as a symbol to represent the beastly nature and actions of a world government. Here is another example; When the Bible mentions the two “horns” on the beast, it is not speaking of actual animal horns. These horns are also symbolic. Since an animal’s horns are located on top, these horns are used as symbols to represent the two previous tops or leaders of this government. Here is a final example which is directly connected to our current topic. When the Bible speaks of the clay in Dan 2:33-45, it is not talking about the earthy material that is plastic when moist. If we examine the definition of clay we will discover its symbolism.

2. Clay: (n) 1 a : an earthy material that is plastic when moist but hard when fired, that is composed mainly of fine particles of hydrous aluminum silicates and other minerals, and that is used for brick, tile, and pottery; specifically : soil composed chiefly of this material having particles less than a specified size b: EARTH, MUD 2 a : a substance that resembles clay in plasticity and is used for modeling b : the human body as distinguished from the spirit c : fundamental nature or character *<the common clay>*

From its definition we can see that, clay has more than one meaning. Not only does it mean the more familiar earthy material that is plastic when moist. But clay is also used to denote the human body as distinguished from the spirit, and the fundamental nature or character. Since this is the case the Holy Bible uses clay to symbolize man’s physical body, and man’s fundamental nature or character. So the clay in Dan 2:33-45 is symbolic. It is symbolic of the people of Babylon and their earthly or fundamental natures or characters.

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2006, 01:25 am

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the end time characters

Time will end for each of us at the moment of our death. Yet time itself will not end. When Earth passes into history, time will still exist.
The bible is one of many books that meet the qualifications you mention. It is not unique, it is not special. And it most certainly is not inspired by a supernatural entity. It is metaphorical, but then, so is most poetry. No one has ever claimed Langston Hughes was inspired by god.

Zhavric · Apr 26, 2006, 07:54 am

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Quote by: Mindonfire

Believers must first understand that the Holy Bible is a supernatural book which has three supernatural qualities. The Bible’s first quality is its ambiguity. The Holy scriptures were purposely written to be ambiguous.

The second quality that the Bible possess is that it has the mystical ability to deliver to the reader the message that he or she desires to see.

The third quality which the Bible possess is a very important characteristic. The Holy Bible is symbolic in nature. It is rife with symbolism.

I know this site says that rude one-liners are a no-no, but all I'm really looking for here is for you to support the three assertions you've made about the bible.

What evidence can you offer? Why should we believe these three claims?

Apr 25, 2006, 11:46 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mindonfire Molten Ash Posts: 28	Representations Symbols Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. Was the tower of Babel an immensely tall building which was built to stretch past the skies and into the stars. This is one of the many fables that believers have come to accept as factual truth. This fable and various others have contributed to the fairy tale mindset that is prevalent today amongst many believers. These fables have also succeeded in hindering believers from correctly identifying the end time characters, who have been present and functioning for quite some time now. With the correction of these fable believers will be able to unquestionably identify the identity of the entity that is known as Mystery Babylon. So today let us begin on a journey to uncover who this entity was and is. Believers must first understand that the Holy Bible is a supernatural book which has three supernatural qualities. The Bible’s first quality is its ambiguity. The Holy scriptures were purposely written to be ambiguous. This means that the verses of the Bible are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses of ways. . The second quality that the Bible possess is that it has the mystical ability to deliver to the reader the message that he or she desires to see. In other words the Bible possesses the uncanny ability to test the Spirit of the reader. So as a reader wherever your heart and spirit is in respects to reality, will determine the message that you will receive during your studies. However one must be careful, because this does not mean that the message that the individual has received is the message that the writer intended to convey. For example, if one looks hard enough one can find scripture which seems to support the doctrine which states that believers will be caught up physically in the clouds to be with Messias during the end. But if one looks through the spirit of God one will see that this is not the message that the writer intended. The third quality which the Bible possess is a very important characteristic. The Holy Bible is symbolic in nature. It is rife with symbolism. For those who may not understand, let us define symbolism, in the hopes that we all may fully understand this symbolic nature. Definitions Merriam Webster 1. Symbolism: (n) 1 : the art or practice of using symbols especially by investing things with a symbolic meaning or by expressing the invisible or intangible by means of visible or sensuous representations: as a : artistic imitation or invention that is a method of revealing or suggesting immaterial, ideal, or otherwise intangible truth or states b : the use of conventional or traditional signs in the representation of divine beings and spirits 2 : a system of symbols or representations As you can see, in symbolism a material or physical object is used as a sign to represent the immaterial or spiritual universe. For example; When the Bible mentions the “beast” of the earth in the book of Revelation 13:11, it is not talking about an animal such as a lion or crocodile. The beast is symbolic. It is used as a symbol to represent the beastly nature and actions of a world government. Here is another example; When the Bible mentions the two “horns” on the beast, it is not speaking of actual animal horns. These horns are also symbolic. Since an animal’s horns are located on top, these horns are used as symbols to represent the two previous tops or leaders of this government. Here is a final example which is directly connected to our current topic. When the Bible speaks of the clay in Dan 2:33-45, it is not talking about the earthy material that is plastic when moist. If we examine the definition of clay we will discover its symbolism. 2. Clay: (n) 1 a : an earthy material that is plastic when moist but hard when fired, that is composed mainly of fine particles of hydrous aluminum silicates and other minerals, and that is used for brick, tile, and pottery; specifically : soil composed chiefly of this material having particles less than a specified size b: EARTH, MUD 2 a : a substance that resembles clay in plasticity and is used for modeling b : the human body as distinguished from the spirit c : fundamental nature or character <the common clay> From its definition we can see that, clay has more than one meaning. Not only does it mean the more familiar earthy material that is plastic when moist. But clay is also used to denote the human body as distinguished from the spirit, and the fundamental nature or character. Since this is the case the Holy Bible uses clay to symbolize man’s physical body, and man’s fundamental nature or character. So the clay in Dan 2:33-45 is symbolic. It is symbolic of the people of Babylon and their earthly or fundamental natures or characters.