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    A philosophy about your poltical rights.

    Many people have become dependant upon a government to give them their rights, meaning also that the government would protect them from those who might violate such rights.

    This gives the government a lot of power to control people. If they must control, by force if need be, all the other people who might otherwise violate your rights that you have been provided with. Also, if it is deamed that you are violating someone else's rights then the government would be controlling you - and forcing you to conform to those laws at the very abandonment of your freedom.

    Those who have the power to give you your rights also have the power to take away those rights, because our dependancy gave them that power of controlership.

    Example: You have the right to earn money and put it into your bank account. But if you are able to get a lot of money from the population you are expected to re-cycle some of that money back into the population, otherwise you prevent others form their rights to get their fair share of our economys wealth. So then the government can tax you and take that uncycled loot and cycle it back to the less wealthy majority in the population, because they have a right to some of the pie also.

    If and when a government might hold that perspective.

    If you must depend upon a government to give you your rights and to protect your rights for you, then you become like a woman housewife who depends upon her husband to protect her rights, or as little children who need mama to protect them when some bully kid is threatening thier rights.

    So when people become adults they leave the overview of their parents and then they subsitute the government to play that role in their adult life. Making the government their big brother, mama and papa. And they remain dependant upon that parent-child kind of behaviorism.

    Always dependant upon a higher authority, and in the process you loose independance to think for your self (to act on what you believe).

    So you want a government that will protect your rights, but what you are effecting is a government that can super regulate all kinds of activites within the population. Some believe they are "God given" rights - but can a secular government that cannot mix religion with law making really "give you some rights on behalf of a God"? That is odd.

    Plus, we have a continued battle or competition as to who's rights are the most important, and thusly, be given and protected.

    You have the right of free speech, but cannot say "fire" in a crowed movie house.

    You have a right to bear arms, but not to walk into a public courtroom bearing arms.

    And so forth.

    You have the right to appear naked in public, but if just one person calls in a complant then you have violated their rights, and subject to arrest.

    Most of our rights can be admended with limitations. Because we do not have the right to set the standards about what rights will be delt out and to whom. The authorian system of governments and police departments do that for us, underwhom we are both protected and arrested - depending.

    So those are your rights. And a philosophy about it.

    Whatcha think? PS - remember the limitations on what you are allowed to think and express before speaking (writing).


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    Rights are a figment of the immagination.

    No one deserves anything. You only get what you earn.


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    The idea of having rights is merely the greed of wanting to posess the intangible.


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    So the rights expressed in the bill of rights was a figment of their imagination and the Bill of Rights was created out of greed to posess the intangble. That would likwise also fit that discription partly.

    That is fantastic to think that people are off dieing in wars so that others can live out this fantasy that we got rights. People are waving flags that represent nothing more then something imaginary.

    Thousands are marching in the streets for their immigration rights, not knowing that they are demanding a illusionary concept that is not even of tanable substance.

    Might as well try to catch the wind.

    At least we can catch the wind with our sails to power our boats.

    At last, however, people are thinking "outside the box" for a change.


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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Rights are a figment of the immagination.

    No one deserves anything. You only get what you earn.
    Theoretically, yes. But when rights vanish, government vanishes, infrastructure vanishes, economy vanishes. Chaos ensues. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose your right to live, free speech, free press, etc.?


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    Quote Quote by: phoenix_fire
    The idea of having rights is merely the greed of wanting to posess the intangible.
    the right to say what I want is greedy?


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    Quote Quote by: Technosoul

    Whatcha think? PS - remember the limitations on what you are allowed to think and express before speaking (writing).
    I think you're dead wrong. My rights don't come from any government.

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    Quote Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2
    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Rights are a figment of the immagination.

    No one deserves anything. You only get what you earn.
    Theoretically, yes. But when rights vanish, government vanishes, infrastructure vanishes, economy vanishes. Chaos ensues. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose your right to live, free speech, free press, etc.?
    The trees are livng, where is their government?

    what would prevent me from speaking freely if we had no government?

    How can you say absolutly that people cannot get along in a non-governmental situation?


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    Quote Quote by: Morgan_Freeman
    Quote Quote by: Technosoul

    Whatcha think? PS - remember the limitations on what you are allowed to think and express before speaking (writing).
    I think you're dead wrong. My rights don't come from any government.
    Nice statement, but you forgot to elaborate about where your Bill Of Rights came from if not from a higher authority such as the government. What data do you base your opinon on that my philosophy is dead wrong - elaborate please so people can respond to your reasoning.

    Just saying "your wrong" and leaving it as such is not a debate about anything. This topic is about a philosophy of observations open for a debate, not an opinon poll for votes.


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    Quote Quote by: phoenix_fire
    The idea of having rights is merely the greed of wanting to posess the intangible.
    Phoenix I dont get what your saying. Can you clarify? People have two types of rights. Natural rights and rights granted by the state. For example:

    Some people claim that there are other things, besides breathing, so closely tied to humanity that they cannot be relinquished. The founders of the United States of American claim that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" are other natural rights, not based on any moral reasoning, but simply because they are a "self-evidently" part of what it is to be a human being. They called these rights "unalienable" which means exactly what it sounds like: they cannot be alienated! We don't need anyone to reinterpret these words. They mean exactly what they sound like. That's why they were written that way. --Zephram Stark 19:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

    The Declaration Of Independance states : "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men."

    The function of government is simple ( well it's supposed to be ) It is supposed to protect these rights and defend the citizens. Unfortunatly this is not the case. The government is now in the buisness of destroying the rights of it's citizens :(

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    I am not contributing to yet another statist anti-rights thread.

    They get debated into a corner in one thread, and then start another thread with the same ignorant innocence, and pie in the sky questions.......

    (drive-by diss)

    Petition of Redress of Grievances:
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    Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
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    Quote Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2
    I'm sure you wouldn't want to lose your right to live, free speech, free press, etc.?
    I don't need someone to tell me I have a right to do something to do it.

    I'll do it if I feel like it.


    If they want to try to stop me, let them come.

    I got something real for ya in these hands! (can anyone tell me what movie this quote comes from? I'll be suprised)


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