I am anti-modernist

[Austin_P]

I am an anti-modernist. I do not like modern, liberal culture that is so money-driven. I am a naturalist, I believe in the eternal. "History is bunk" Henry Ford once said, and I agree, dates do not matter, what matters is what has always been, as deep as your blood and soil. This is why I am an anti-modernist. You can read more of my ideas on my blog if you'd like. How about you, are you modernist, conservative, or anti-modernist and naturalistic like me?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I am an anti-modernist. I do not like modern, liberal culture that is so money-driven. I am a naturalist, I believe in the eternal. "History is bunk" Henry Ford once said, and I agree, dates do not matter, what matters is what has always been, as deep as your blood and soil. This is why I am an anti-modernist. You can read more of my ideas on my blog if you'd like. How about you, are you modernist, conservative, or anti-modernist and naturalistic like me?

What matters is what has always been? Nothing has "always been." It's always changing. Politics. Economy. Culture. Values. Knowledge. Science. Technology. Faith. etc. etc.

You're basically saying you're unhappy with the road life has left us at so far in our human voyage. But the real question is your "better" view, as opposed to modernity, from the past? Or is it a goal to be achieved in the future? Or are we on the way there right now?

[Jack]

I'd have to be somewhere between a modernist and a futurist.
To me, mankind is currently not all that far removed from our primitive cousins. My hope is that through education and technology the future will include all people everywhere as equals, the lessening of the importance of national boundries and peace, among other things.

[Austin_P]

I feel sorry for you, for you cannot discover the deeper truths.

[Jack]

Don't feel sorry for me. I'm doing OK. I've found many "deep truths" through meditation and without resorting to the supernatural. And you don't have to join my club to share what I've learned. And you won't go to hell if you never do.

I do not like modern, liberal culture...I am a naturalist

Yet you seem to be enjoying using the Internet. Hypocritical or simply inconsistent?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I feel sorry for you, for you cannot discover the deeper truths.

Why? Because Isherwood looks to the continuing future for societal prosperity? Or is just because he disagrees with you?

Deeper truths...like how your stance is so inconsistent and thought deprived its completely incoherent, making it easy to punch holes through.

By a naturalist, how will you find a deeper truth other than anything that's below your feet?

[SteveA]

I am an anti-modernist. I do not like modern, liberal culture that is so money-driven. I am a naturalist, I believe in the eternal. "History is bunk" Henry Ford once said, and I agree, dates do not matter, what matters is what has always been, as deep as your blood and soil. This is why I am an anti-modernist. You can read more of my ideas on my blog if you'd like. How about you, are you modernist, conservative, or anti-modernist and naturalistic like me?

I'd have to be somewhere between a modernist and a futurist.
To me, mankind is currently not all that far removed from our primitive cousins. My hope is that through education and technology the future will include all people everywhere as equals, the lessening of the importance of national boundries and peace, among other things.

I'm a modernist in the sense that Isherwood views it.

Though I'd agree that we've accumulated a lot of social badgage that makes untangling many messes people are in difficult.

Truely, if we had a society of people that could simply look out the window and see the world for what it is, and not what it's imagined to be, life would certainly be a lot simpler. Maybe this will come after a meltdown in current views or simply enough people desiring to simplify their view of the world.

Regarding nature, I see humanity in many ways as a part of nature also though empowered with a greater ability to control our destinies (for better or worse) than most other elements of nature. Certainly, it's not impossible we'll self-destruct someday but then again dinosaurs didn't live forever nor can anyone alive today guarantee for certain they'll be alive 10 years from now. What can you do but try your best. I agree with you Austin, in the view that we'd be better off trying to simplify things (especially social views) though often paradoxically trying to do this adds to more confusion. Truly only individuals can change their views of the world and values by internal decisions. So I guess that any society that's still entertained by the latest gossip and social "goings on", will likely become complex and confusing ... in other words, I don't think we're likely to see much improvement in the near future

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Truly only individuals can change their views of the world and values by internal decisions. So I guess that any society that's still entertained by the latest gossip and social "goings on", will likely become complex and confusing ... in other words, I don't think we're likely to see much improvement in the near future

Good points, but you could take a look at the French Revolution where an entire lower class revolted against their nobles, completely changing the look on European government. The lower class still had their veilees and community festivals to take their mind off of the starvation and disease floating around in the country; the upper classes had obviously lots of money and social gatherings as well; but as soon as France's spiraling debt hit a certain point, it was almost like an explosion of anger and madness, and well, the storming of the Bastille, etc. etc.

My point is that the French people 5 years before their revolution cared far less about liberal government and deposing their king as they did another 5 years later, as soon as the king performed a few stupid maneuvers: firing Jacques Necker who had a brilliant tax strategy to help both the king and the people, he made the legislative branch unequal in respect to the 3rd Estate (people's), then he decided not to do anything about the problems. These minor mistakes caused an entire nation to revolt against the oppressors.

I think a lot of us realize we're unhappy with something but at the same time feel relatively content with our way of life. It's when those few minor changes occur in society that shake us until we take advantage of it and try to experiment with what changes we want implemented, like with Russia or even the United States.

[Kite]

I feel sorry for you, for you cannot discover the deeper truths.

Well then please assist us to discover these deeper truths you speak of. Please, elaborate.

[Austin_P]

The deeper truths I speak of are beliefs in the eternal. The deeper truths I speak of is not just being an envioronmentalist, but being part of the environment. The deeper truths is sharing the capital with all. The deeper truths are small town values and co-operation. That is just a part of it.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

The deeper truths I speak of are beliefs in the eternal. The deeper truths I speak of is not just being an envioronmentalist, but being part of the environment. The deeper truths is sharing the capital with all. The deeper truths are small town values and co-operation.

Beliefs in the eternal what? Perhaps the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Come on, it's a little vague. I didn't think being an environmentalist involved a deeper truth, you just value the environment more, which I'm down for, we just need to settle priorities when considering society, technology, environment, national goals, etc. We're all a part of the environment. That's obvious. No real surprising deeper truth there. Sharing capital reminds me of communism, which doesn't sound like a deeper truth because there's still 4 or 5 communist countries today. Small town values? Like...well water? Sorry for the sarcasm, I just don't get what the hell you're trying to say.

That is just a part of it.

Oh goody, do tell more...

[another day]

The deeper truths I speak of are beliefs in the eternal. The deeper truths I speak of is not just being an envioronmentalist, but being part of the environment. The deeper truths is sharing the capital with all. The deeper truths are small town values and co-operation. That is just a part of it.

I'm sorry this is vague idealistic, whimsical thinking. It just doesn't apply in anyway to modern life. You can reject modern life all you want, I often do, but until you move to Borneo and live in a hut in the jungle hunting for food you are just being idealistic and a dreamer. Like someone else said, what kind of anti-modernist uses the internet? Or even owns a computer? I think you take alot of things in society for granted, and reject things that you really completely accept and use all the time. Why don't you live in a hut in the woods? Why are you even a part of modern society if you believe all this stuff?

But really I do agree with the basis of it...Living in harmony with nature and all that would be my ideal world, but its not the world I live in. One day I intend to travel the world, camping and live a little closer to this but for now I have to accept the world I live in...