Struggle.

[Charlatan]

What is life without a struggle? Everything in existence struggles to survive and exist to the best of it's ability. From people to rocks, they are all struggling.

I propose to struggle means there is some 'magic' involved. If we were to observe that everything struggles, is everything alive? If you were to hear fairy tales about rain drops having a 'soul' or what have you, that everything is intertwangled with everything else, and we are consciou, then we would have one world consciousness, relating to determinism. With this we could plot the relationships between things, and then again that is science!

The world is intertwangled all the way up to the top. From a meteor existing only to run out of steam of hit something in it's path, there is existence. But why do i say they are alive? Thety no blood and tissue, and cannot act. That is because everything reacts and reacts only, as the seeing to of an action, right at the beginning of time would mean that the first thing to exist was alive - something quite unlikely, yet, if we take into account what i have 'drawn up' then you might say there was consciousness in the big bang or whatever you want to believe.

Then you would have to look at what life is. Is a human being alive? Surely. Is a plant alive? Yes. Is a rock alive? Well, it does grow to become a larger rock if watered, so is reactive, yet is not biomass. Finding similarities between biomass and 'mass' would lead us to believe that they both react. So, what is the difference?

The differences could be down to reproduction. A rock reproduces! it has tiny shards of it rubbed off and they become rocks too. this could be how the universe reproduces and grows? the universe could have atoms 'rubbed' off of it and they could start to grow into new parts or pieces of the universe. The biomass is only different in a way, what way? How is biomass different from nonbiomass? Is everything biomass?

[Affluence]

Yes, everything is energy.

We can entertain the notion also here that everything has consciousness. Can we agree though that the consciousness of Man is much greater than that of the raindrop and greater than that of the other animals. I believe this is because we have the ability to make choices. Further, we can make these choices in a certin way that we have control over our environment and we then hold sway cause over our destiny, unlike the the raindrop and unlike the other animals.

My question would be are we more important than the raindrop? Are we, as human consciousness, more valuable than an exploding star, or the asteroid or the other animals ? Is it moral for us to value ourselves above other matter just because we can ? Because we were told we are special. Should we reevaluate this ?

Good post.

Affluence

[Dud Doodoo]

I would say that biomass is able to reorganize the mass around it to replicate itself, in much a different fashion than the rock. A piece breaks off a rock, is that replication? It is likely it will not grow by some mechanism of nature to be the equal of its original size. The parent will likewise never regenerate the lost piece. The rock is not actively reorganizing the matter around it to build itself.

I was brought to the idea that consciousness exists as an omnipresent energy throughout the universe by LSD. It seemed to me at the time that we observe consciousness in life because of mechanisms in the brain (the senses, memory storage/recall, intelligence, self awareness, decision making) Everything about humanity can be explained by action of the brain, except the conscious experience. Why do we "see" the information coming through our eyes, or "hear" the impulses coming from our ears? Perhaps all matter experiences the pure event of consciousness in the moment, however it lacks sensation, memory, and a way to analyze and express information. I also pondered the possibility that the collective consciousness of all matter and energy in the universe was God, and that the big bang was him willing himself to exist.

Of course this is all conceptual and is completely unbased in anything but the effect of drugs on my thought processes. Still an interesting way of viewing the world and for that reason I hold to it.

[Tycoon]

Yes, everything is energy.

We can entertain the notion also here that everything has consciousness. Can we agree though that the consciousness of Man is much greater than that of the raindrop and greater than that of the other animals. I believe this is because we have the ability to make choices. Further, we can make these choices in a certin way that we have control over our environment and we then hold sway cause over our destiny, unlike the the raindrop and unlike the other animals.

My question would be are we more important than the raindrop? Are we, as human consciousness, more valuable than an exploding star, or the asteroid or the other animals ? Is it moral for us to value ourselves above other matter just because we can ? Because we were told we are special. Should we reevaluate this ?

Good post.

Affluence

Nobody told me that we are special and I don't believe it one bit.

Also, other animals make choices, just on a different level. If we happened to be the life-form with the highest capacity for thought, it would still be arbitrary and meaningless.

[Jack]

Is a rock alive? Well, it does grow to become a larger rock if watered, so is reactive, yet is not biomass.

Have you confirmed this experimentally?

[Charlatan]

Have you confirmed this experimentally?

Not at all, but i remember that little grains of sand grow into boulders, from somewhere i cannot recall.

[grandpa]

Not at all, but i remember that little grains of
sand grow into boulders, from somewhere i cannot recall.

I could try to make boulders by pouring water on grains of sand, but it ain't happening. Something more has to happen, be it in the fire or water below or the sky above.

Grandpa h.

[Senor Hoint]

You can grow certain types of crystals by immersing them in a solution of chemicals and water.

[Charlatan]

I could try to make boulders by pouring water on grains of sand, but it ain't happening. Something more has to happen, be it in the fire or water below or the sky above.

Grandpa h.

Well how do big boulders form then? Does a boulder come off the earth's crust, or, does a grain of sand grow into a boulder?

[Dud Doodoo]

They are formed in the earths crust under the intense heat and pressure. A grain of sand does not chip off and grow from being watered. Growth is a requirement for life, one that scientists have clearly established rocks do not satisfy.

[Jack]

Not at all, but i remember that little grains of sand grow into boulders, from somewhere i cannot recall.

Must have been a fairy tale or "old wive's" tale. It most certainly wasn't from a science class. Rocks are aggregates of minerals, but they don't grow from watering. If that were the case there would be nothing but house sized boulders in Seattle. Perhaps you're thinking of the old proverb, "Mighty oaks from little acorns grow" credited by some to Geoffrey Chaucer in the 14th century.

[Charlatan]

I must have sourced it from the wrong source. sorry. well then my whole thread falls flat, being based on false information.